Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
i have not banned anything, or even alluded to it, whatsoever. i asked that one specific mail not be commented upon OK, sorry if I misunderstood, but that's still suppression in my book. reading your accounts strewn about is interesting, what exactly are *your* motives? My motives are as I've stated; I'm a commercial user with products in development which use Pyjamas and that I have a long-term stake in. With a bit of thought, anyone should see why I value stability and continued viability. It's a long game but the potential payback to pyjamas could be huge *if* it can keep commercial users on board. This is where the existential threat to pyjamas comes from and why I and many others consider the takeover to be reckless and unjustified. Luke is a talented developer, there is no doubt of this, but he is one of the most socially inept persons i have ever encountered I don't think this is the right place to bash people or even defend them on a personal level. We get it though. You didn't get along with the guy. the idea was to retain Luke I'm sorry but I don't believe this. Luke can speak for himself of course but this is not how you keep people on-board. he decided to play legal threats as the first card He's claimed that you lifted data from his server without permission. I'm not commenting on that, but if it's true then this is a massive roadblock in the viability of the project. I for one don't want to be involved in it. Can you picture the scene where a developer or businessperaon goes into a meeting with very senior, very conservative executives trying to pitch a product, and it turns out there are serious legal concerns surrounding the technology platform? If it isn't true then perhaps you should put people's minds at rest by giving a detailed explanation of the whole mail server situation, including where the data originated, where it is now, how it got there and why the accidental mailing of so many people occurred. indeed, you have witnessed little chatter I'd invite anyone to review the pyjamas list for the last 7 days before they make up their minds. Some of the statements I've seen have been regrettable. by realizing this is not as black-and-white as you's like it to be. I have an ethical objection here, but moreover; it clearly just runs against my interests to support your actions. I'm not sure you considered the commercial users here, and with respect nor do I really get the impression you've understood it, still. By the way; I'm not associated with Luke at all. I've emailed him off-list a few times this week to discuss some angles to do with my work, but that's it. In fact, I support Kees' proposition that Pyjamas should seek sponsorship from the Python/Apache/Free Software Foundation. This would resolve questions of legitimacy and leadership. In my ideal outcome, we could tailor pyjamas more to business use; e.g. tidying up any license issues, offering a commercial support contract (this will help mitigate the damage done to perceptions of credibility), publishing a commercial use policy (one of the foundations could offer support with this I hope). James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Extracting DB schema (newbie Q)
On Monday, 14 May 2012 17:01:49 UTC+1, Steve Sawyer wrote: Brand-new to Python (that's a warning, folks) Trying to write a routine to import a CSV file into a SQL Server table. To ensure that I convert the data from the CSV appropriately, Im executing a query that gives me the schema (data column names, data types and sizes) from the target table. What I think I want to do is to construct a dictionary using the column names as the index value, and a list containing the various attributes (data type, lenghth, precision). If this is NOT a good approach (or if there is a better approach), please issue a dope-slap, ignore the rest of this post and set me straight. If this is a good approach, I ran into a problem populating the dictionary as I couldn't seem to figure out how to make the update() method work by passing the name property of the row object; I kept getting a keyword can't be an expression error. What I was able to make work was to construct the command as a string and run exec( ), but seems there shoudl be a more direct way of updating the dictionary. TIA. Could you provide some demo code? Something minimal but runnable, which results in the error you're getting would be best. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Need to get Tags and Values from Dom
On Monday, 14 May 2012 01:50:23 UTC+1, TommyVee wrote: I have a very simple XML document that I need to walk, and I'm using xml.dom.minidom. No attributes, just lots of nested tags and associated values. All I'm looking to do is iterate through each of the highest sibling nodes, check what the tag is, and process its value accordingly. If a node has children, same thing - iterate through the nodes, check the tags and process the values accordingly. I see where each node object has a childNodes attribute, so I can drill down the tree. But what are the node attributes which indicate Tag and Value? I thought it would have been nodeName and nodeValue, but that doesn't seem to be. Does anyone know? Thanks in advance, TommyVee Ah maybe you're confused about how text nodes work in minidom. Every element will have a nodeName attribute (not callable) but if you try el.nodeValue on a text node you get None. That's because the text is represented by a child node with nodeName '#text', so you want (el.nodeName, el.firstChild.nodeValue). General tips - try the docs: http://docs.python.org/library/xml.dom.minidom.html and also use dir() a lot on objects when you're learning a new api. Hope that helps. Disclaimer: haven't used minidom in anger for some time. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: which book?
On Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:16:01 UTC+1, d.p...@gmail.com wrote: folks hi, I am going to learn python for some plot issues. which book or sources, do you recommend please? Cheers, Dave I started with Dive Into Python. It's getting old now but for me it really catches the spirit of Python programming; clean, readable, and idiomatic. Plus it's fairly concise itself and emphasises the standard libraries. If you get stuck, obviously just search, but there is a lot of good info on Stack Overflow particularly. James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Open Source: you're doing it wrong - the Pyjamas hijack
Agreed with pretty much all of that. It's third-world politics, lurching from one dictator to another. Risinger seems to have banned all discussion of the subject from the list too, I'm not posting anymore because I don't want to give him an excuse to wield his newly found banhammer. But yeah, a lot of the commentary from the pro-rebel side ( not that any of them admit they had anything to do with it ) really does come across as being ill-informed and childish. This story is on reddit, if anyone is that way inclined: http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/t5acr/project_hijacked_advice_from_experience_foss/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How do I run a python program from an internet address?
What would be the best way to figure out how to do this? I looked at Google app engine tutorial, but can't figure out how that will help we get the code into the cloud so I can access it from any browser. GAE is quite a good option, since it includes free hosting. You should be able to get started just by downloading the SDK and making your app work locally. It includes a little development server so you can see what your users will see in your own browser. In this way, you don't have to do anything with the web until everything is ready, then you just press a button (windows) or run a script (nix) and yor app appears on the web. The datastore is quite complicated though! If you rig up your own host though, you have a lot more freedom with what software you get to use. A very simple way is to plug mod_wsgi into apache (a common web server) and then write your app as a wsgi script; this usually just entails adding a couple of necessary methods to your script. In my case, I have a buddy with a web host set up so I can get things up on there very easily and for free. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: pyjamas / pyjs
On Thursday, 3 May 2012 12:52:36 UTC+1, alex23 wrote: Anyone else following the apparent hijack of the pyjs project from its lead developer? Yes, me. The guy now in control got the owner of the domain name to turn it over to him, which is probably ok legally, but he had no public mandate or support. As far as I can see from the mailing list, only 3 or 4 out of the 650 subscribers actively support his actions. He's a long time contributor and genuinely seems quite talented. However there's no getting away from the fact that he's done this undemocratically, when he could have forked the project. To my mind he hasn't made a good enough reasoned justification of his arguments and he's coming across as being very defensive at the moment. The former leader, Luke Leighton, seemed to have vanished from the face of the earth but I mailed him yesterday and he's on holiday so trying not to pay too much attention to it at the moment. There's also an allegation, which I am not making myself at this point - only describing its nature, that a person may have lifted data from the original mail server without authorisation and used it to recreate the mailing list on a different machine. *If* that were to be true, then the law has been broken in at least one country. I'm arguing that there should be a public consultation over who gets to run this project and I'm also thinking of making a suggestion to the python software foundation or maybe other bodies such as the FSF (I'm not a FOSS expert but they were suggested by others) that they host a fork of this project so that we can have a legitimate and stable route forward. The problem for me with all this is that I use pyjamas in a commercial capacity and (sorry if this sounds vague but I have to be a bit careful) there are probably going to be issues with our clients - corporate people distrust FOSS at the best of times and this kind of thing will make them run for the bloody hills. In fact, there appear to be a lot of sleeper users who make a living out of this stuff and the actions of the new de-facto leader has jeopardised this, pretty needlessly in our opinion. James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: pyjamas / pyjs
By the way, there's a lot more to say on this, which I'll cover another time. There are arguments for and against what's happened; at this stage I'm just trying to flag up that there is *not* unanimity and we are not just carrying on as normal. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
