Re: Active Python versions

2006-06-19 Thread Trent Mick
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
 Why is the Windows msi install file for ActivePython-2.4.3.12 only 15MB
 whereas the older msi file for ActivePython-2.4.2.10 was 19MB?
 
 BTW, is that the prefered Python environment?

Are you sure you are comparing the right packages? By my count:

ActivePython-2.4.2.10-win32-x86.msi 19,053 KB
ActivePython-2.4.3.12-win32-x86.msi 19,237 KB

Note that the Windows *64-bit* builds are smaller (around 15MB) because 
they do not include PyWin32.

Trent

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Re: Active Python versions

2006-06-19 Thread Tom Del Rosso
Trent Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed
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 Tom Del Rosso wrote:
 Why is the Windows msi install file for ActivePython-2.4.3.12 only
 15MB whereas the older msi file for ActivePython-2.4.2.10 was 19MB?

 BTW, is that the prefered Python environment?

 Are you sure you are comparing the right packages? By my count:

 ActivePython-2.4.2.10-win32-x86.msi 19,053 KB
 ActivePython-2.4.3.12-win32-x86.msi 19,237 KB

 Note that the Windows *64-bit* builds are smaller (around 15MB)
 because they do not include PyWin32.

Thanks.  I didn't notice the file name was wrong until I tried to install
it.

Can I ask you about alternative environments?  How do Active Python and IDLE
from python.org compare?  I'm just starting out with it and I know they run
the same code but I don't want to have to change environments later.


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Re: Active Python versions

2006-06-19 Thread Trent Mick
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
 Can I ask you about alternative environments?  How do Active Python and IDLE
 from python.org compare?  

Both ActivePython and the Python installers from python.org install 
IDLE. They should not differ at all (AFAIK).

Trent

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Re: Active Python versions

2006-06-19 Thread jmdeschamps

Trent Mick wrote:
 Tom Del Rosso wrote:
  Can I ask you about alternative environments?  How do Active Python and IDLE
  from python.org compare?

 Both ActivePython and the Python installers from python.org install
 IDLE. They should not differ at all (AFAIK).

 Trent

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Maybe the OP is refering to PythonWin editor (as compared to IDLE)
which is in ActiveState's release but not in the Python.org release...
makes for a very different subject, and hopefully for very different
answer direction.

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Re: Active Python versions

2006-06-19 Thread Tom Del Rosso
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 Maybe the OP is refering to PythonWin editor (as compared to IDLE)
 which is in ActiveState's release but not in the Python.org release...
 makes for a very different subject, and hopefully for very different
 answer direction.

Yes.  I just wanted to know which programming environment is prefered by
regular users, maybe even one that I haven't heard of yet.


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Re: Active Python versions

2006-06-19 Thread jmdeschamps

Tom Del Rosso wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed
 in news://[EMAIL PROTECTED],

  Maybe the OP is refering to PythonWin editor (as compared to IDLE)
  which is in ActiveState's release but not in the Python.org release...
  makes for a very different subject, and hopefully for very different
  answer direction.

 Yes.  I just wanted to know which programming environment is prefered by
 regular users, maybe even one that I haven't heard of yet.

... try reading this very recent (still active) thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/9577320064fa33eb/7ad49f0d44ecbc47?hl=en#7ad49f0d44ecbc47

My two-grain of salt:
PythonWin is simple and nice BUT breaks if you do Tkinter Gui (and try
to run a program while the previous run isn't finished)
Python Scripter - light, nice, some nice features but missing code
folding, if you like that...
Pydev + Eclipse (Eclipse is Java based plugin type environment) lots of
stuff (to much for some) and heavy [t's Java after all ;-) ]  But
nowadays with RAM, and processor speed - it's nice to do almost every
task in the same basic environment (plugins for almost anything)

BTW Kudos to all the people behind these apps (mark hammond of pywin
fame, kiriakos vlahos for python scripter , and fabio zadrozny for
pydev)

jean-marc

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Re: Active Python versions

2006-06-19 Thread Trent Mick
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed
 in news://[EMAIL PROTECTED],
 
 Maybe the OP is refering to PythonWin editor (as compared to IDLE)
 which is in ActiveState's release but not in the Python.org release...
 makes for a very different subject, and hopefully for very different
 answer direction.
 
 Yes.  I just wanted to know which programming environment is prefered by
 regular users, maybe even one that I haven't heard of yet.

Ah, the PythonWin IDE/Editor is part of PyWin32 -- which is included as 
a standard part of ActivePython. IDLE is also included in ActivePython, 
BTW. ActivePython just doesn't setup a shortcut in the Start Menu for 
it. You could add your own.

As jean-marc suggests, you might want to search the python-list archives 
for peoples opinions on Python IDEs and editors. Also check out:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors

ActiveState has a Python IDE called Komodo
http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/
which I work on (so I'm biased :).

Trent

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Re: Active Python versions

2006-06-19 Thread Tom Del Rosso
Thanks very much guys.


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Active Python versions

2006-06-18 Thread Tom Del Rosso
Why is the Windows msi install file for ActivePython-2.4.3.12 only 15MB
whereas the older msi file for ActivePython-2.4.2.10 was 19MB?

BTW, is that the prefered Python environment?


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