Re: Best Python packages?
On Jul 19, 5:59 pm, Kay Schluehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the original post you asked for hidden gems and now it seems you just want to know about Madonna or Justin Timberlake. Not really, and I don't see why you'd say that. Maybe a look on this collection helps http://wiki.python.org/moin/UsefulModules Yeah, I saw that. I hoped some people might have some more, but perhaps not. -- Ben Sizer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
Iain King wrote: Well, if you're looking for a list of excellent 3rd party Python libraries, then I can give you the ones I like and use a lot: [...] BeautifulSoup : for real-world (i.e. not-at-all-recommendation- compliant) HTML processing You forgot lxml.html, which is much faster, more memory friendly and more feature-rich than BS. Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Jul 19, 8:56 am, Stefan Behnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iain King wrote: Well, if you're looking for a list of excellent 3rd party Python libraries, then I can give you the ones I like and use a lot: [...] BeautifulSoup : for real-world (i.e. not-at-all-recommendation- compliant) HTML processing You forgot lxml.html, which is much faster, more memory friendly and more feature-rich than BS. Stefan Never heard of it :) Iain -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
On 18 Jul., 12:23, Ben Sizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 16, 3:31 pm, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Sizer wrote: make my development a lot easier. Knowing what kind of development you do might help, of course. Some libraries are excellent in some contexts and suck badly in others... Sure. Mostly I'm just interested in what's out there though. In C++ you have Boost which everybody knows are a source of high quality libraries, covering a fairly wide set of applications. Obviously that's more low-level and less application specific, and the Python standard libs do pretty much everything that is in Boost, but it's that sort of peer-reviewed and widely-applicable list that I'd like to see. I (attempt to) use TurboGears for web development and that depends on a whole bunch of libraries - SQLObject, PyProtocols, RuleDispatch, SimpleJson, FormEncode, etc - and I would never have heard of these if TurboGears' exposure of its internals wasn't so common. Some of these are web-specific but some are not. And I'd never know to look for them specificially, because in many cases it wouldn't occur to me that they exist. (eg. Object-Relational Mappers like SQLObject may be obvious if you come from certain areas of IT, but I'd never heard of them before I started with TurboGears.) For what it's worth, my main areas of interest are gaming, multimedia, and web development. But I just like to hear about anything that people might use which makes their life a lot easier and which perhaps is not application specific - like ORMs or something similar. Looking at things that larger projects and distributions use can also be a good idea. For example, if you're doing scientific stuff, go directly to enthought.com. If you're doing web stuff, look at the libraries big Django applications use. Etc. Sadly, I know just as little about what major applications are out there as I do about what libraries are out there! -- Ben Sizer In the original post you asked for hidden gems and now it seems you just want to know about Madonna or Justin Timberlake. Maybe a look on this collection helps http://wiki.python.org/moin/UsefulModules -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
I think the hidden gems in multimedia/game production are Pyglet and Rabbyt. Whereas PyGame is the older api, its large and bloated and has of course a heavy dependency on SDL. Pyglet and Rabbyt are lightweight, efficient, have some amazing functions and hit native OpenGL in all the major OS distributions and Bruce The Presentation Tool utilizes the former to take on MS PowerPoint to show what you can do besides games =) Pyglet: http://pyglet.org/ Rabbyt: http://matthewmarshall.org/projects/rabbyt/ Bruce The Presentation Tool: http://code.google.com/p/bruce-tpt/ Cheers, PN In the original post you asked for hidden gems and now it seems you just want to know about Madonna or Justin Timberlake. Maybe a look on this collection helps http://wiki.python.org/moin/UsefulModules -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
On 20 Jul., 05:54, Python Nutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the hidden gems in multimedia/game production are Pyglet and Rabbyt. Whereas PyGame is the older api, its large and bloated and has of course a heavy dependency on SDL. Pyglet and Rabbyt are lightweight, efficient, have some amazing functions and hit native OpenGL in all the major OS distributions and Bruce The Presentation Tool utilizes the former to take on MS PowerPoint to show what you can do besides games =) Pyglet:http://pyglet.org/ Rabbyt:http://matthewmarshall.org/projects/rabbyt/ Bruce The Presentation Tool:http://code.google.com/p/bruce-tpt/ Cheers, PN In the original post you asked for hidden gems and now it seems you just want to know about Madonna or Justin Timberlake. Maybe a look on this collection helps http://wiki.python.org/moin/UsefulModules -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Maybe someone starts a blog with the title Hidden Pythons? Just one short remark about Python game toolkits. The single reason I won't use them is browser accessibility. It doesn't matter to me where Python scripts are running but less so where applications are executed. Right now I'm stuck with AS3/Flash. Given Adobes recent OSS commitments and PyPys efforts in translating RPython to several backends I'm not too pessimistic that we'll see Python in the Flashplayer in a year or two from now. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
On Jul 16, 3:31 pm, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Sizer wrote: make my development a lot easier. Knowing what kind of development you do might help, of course. Some libraries are excellent in some contexts and suck badly in others... Sure. Mostly I'm just interested in what's out there though. In C++ you have Boost which everybody knows are a source of high quality libraries, covering a fairly wide set of applications. Obviously that's more low-level and less application specific, and the Python standard libs do pretty much everything that is in Boost, but it's that sort of peer-reviewed and widely-applicable list that I'd like to see. I (attempt to) use TurboGears for web development and that depends on a whole bunch of libraries - SQLObject, PyProtocols, RuleDispatch, SimpleJson, FormEncode, etc - and I would never have heard of these if TurboGears' exposure of its internals wasn't so common. Some of these are web-specific but some are not. And I'd never know to look for them specificially, because in many cases it wouldn't occur to me that they exist. (eg. Object-Relational Mappers like SQLObject may be obvious if you come from certain areas of IT, but I'd never heard of them before I started with TurboGears.) For what it's worth, my main areas of interest are gaming, multimedia, and web development. But I just like to hear about anything that people might use which makes their life a lot easier and which perhaps is not application specific - like ORMs or something similar. Looking at things that larger projects and distributions use can also be a good idea. For example, if you're doing scientific stuff, go directly to enthought.com. If you're doing web stuff, look at the libraries big Django applications use. Etc. Sadly, I know just as little about what major applications are out there as I do about what libraries are out there! -- Ben Sizer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
On Jul 18, 11:23 am, Ben Sizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 16, 3:31 pm, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Sizer wrote: make my development a lot easier. Knowing what kind of development you do might help, of course. Some libraries are excellent in some contexts and suck badly in others... Sure. Mostly I'm just interested in what's out there though. In C++ you have Boost which everybody knows are a source of high quality libraries, covering a fairly wide set of applications. Obviously that's more low-level and less application specific, and the Python standard libs do pretty much everything that is in Boost, but it's that sort of peer-reviewed and widely-applicable list that I'd like to see. I (attempt to) use TurboGears for web development and that depends on a whole bunch of libraries - SQLObject, PyProtocols, RuleDispatch, SimpleJson, FormEncode, etc - and I would never have heard of these if TurboGears' exposure of its internals wasn't so common. Some of these are web-specific but some are not. And I'd never know to look for them specificially, because in many cases it wouldn't occur to me that they exist. (eg. Object-Relational Mappers like SQLObject may be obvious if you come from certain areas of IT, but I'd never heard of them before I started with TurboGears.) For what it's worth, my main areas of interest are gaming, multimedia, and web development. But I just like to hear about anything that people might use which makes their life a lot easier and which perhaps is not application specific - like ORMs or something similar. Looking at things that larger projects and distributions use can also be a good idea. For example, if you're doing scientific stuff, go directly to enthought.com. If you're doing web stuff, look at the libraries big Django applications use. Etc. Sadly, I know just as little about what major applications are out there as I do about what libraries are out there! -- Ben Sizer Well, if you're looking for a list of excellent 3rd party Python libraries, then I can give you the ones I like and use a lot: wxPython : powerful GUI library which generates native look feel PIL : Imaging Library - if you need to manipulate bitmaps pyGame :SDL for python BeautifulSoup : for real-world (i.e. not-at-all-recommendation- compliant) HTML processing Iain -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Best Python packages?
Although the standard library in Python is great, there are undoubtedly some great packages available from 3rd parties, and I've encountered a few almost by accident. However, I don't know how a user would become aware of many of these. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ presumably lists most of the decent ones, but there's a lot there and little indication as to quality or popularity - great if you know exactly what you need, but not so great for just browsing. I'd love to have some way of finding out what hidden gems are out there in the Python world which could make my development a lot easier. Any suggestions? -- Ben Sizer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
Ben Sizer wrote: make my development a lot easier. Knowing what kind of development you do might help, of course. Some libraries are excellent in some contexts and suck badly in others... Looking at things that larger projects and distributions use can also be a good idea. For example, if you're doing scientific stuff, go directly to enthought.com. If you're doing web stuff, look at the libraries big Django applications use. Etc. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Ben Sizer wrote: I'd love to have some way of finding out what hidden gems are out there in the Python world If they were easy to find, they wouldn't be hidden gems. :-) Dennis Cote -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
Ben Sizer wrote: Although the standard library in Python is great, there are undoubtedly some great packages available from 3rd parties, and I've encountered a few almost by accident. However, I don't know how a user would become aware of many of these. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ presumably lists most of the decent ones, but there's a lot there and little indication as to quality or popularity - great if you know exactly what you need, but not so great for just browsing. I'd love to have some way of finding out what hidden gems are out there in the Python world which could make my development a lot easier. Any suggestions? -- Ben Sizer Hang around this list for a little while and these hidden gems will become more apparent. -Larry -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Best Python packages?
On Jul 16, 7:16 am, Ben Sizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the standard library in Python is great, there are undoubtedly some great packages available from 3rd parties, and I've encountered a few almost by accident. However, I don't know how a user would become aware of many of these.http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ presumably lists most of the decent ones, but there's a lot there and little indication as to quality or popularity - great if you know exactly what you need, but not so great for just browsing. I'd love to have some way of finding out what hidden gems are out there in the Python world which could make my development a lot easier. Any suggestions? -- Ben Sizer One good place to look is The Python Papers, a free e-journal, including industry and academic articles at http://pythonpapers.org/ The current issue (vol. 3, issue 1) has an article that I wrote called, An Efficient Scalar Package in Python. If you do engineering or scientific computing with Python, and you wish to avoid unit errors without slowing down your production runs, then I suggest take a look at this package. You can download it and its user's guide at http://RussP.us/scalar.htm . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
