Re: Help! Host is reluctant to install Python
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:40:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I think you should look into some type of virtual hosting that gives you more ability to install your own software. Typing uml hosting (UML is user-mode Linux) into Google finds a lot of such services. If you find one that you like, post it here, I'm interested in this myself. I'm very happy with uml from tummy.com for 25 USD/month, with good support by email for configuring mod_python in my case. They are also a Pycon sponsor. Ian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help! Host is reluctant to install Python
There are quite a few hosts who offer Python support, no? Maybe you could change hosts. Pair offers Python, AFAIK. On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:15:45 -0500, Daniel Bickett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying to convince my host to install python/mod_python on his server for a while now, however there are a number of reasons he is reluctant to do so, which I will outline here: 1. His major reason is optimization. He uses Zend's optimization of PHP as an example, and he has stated that python is rather resource consuming. 2. Another one of his points is that he is unexperienced in installing python, and he would not know how to do it securely. By 'securely', I'm assuming he means disallowing a malicious (or ignorant) user from harming the server And, in light of point #1, I suggested that if there wasn't any optimization immediately available, he could just enable it for my account (thus lessening potential resource consumption at any given time), to which he retorted Do /you/ know how to do that?, and I must say, he has me cornered ;-) I have no experience with this sort of thing, so I'm asking a little assistance in the direction of any documents or websites (or what have you) I could show him in order to answer some of these questions, or perhaps even some unspoken ones -- anything worth noting. (all I'm really going to do is link him to this thread once it has accumulated any answers) Thank you all for your help :) Wishing-to-be-liberated-from-the-clutches-of-PHP-ly y'rs, Daniel Bickett -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Premshree Pillai http://www.livejournal.com/~premshree -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Help! Host is reluctant to install Python
I've been trying to convince my host to install python/mod_python on his server for a while now, however there are a number of reasons he is reluctant to do so, which I will outline here: 1. His major reason is optimization. He uses Zend's optimization of PHP as an example, and he has stated that python is rather resource consuming. 2. Another one of his points is that he is unexperienced in installing python, and he would not know how to do it securely. By 'securely', I'm assuming he means disallowing a malicious (or ignorant) user from harming the server And, in light of point #1, I suggested that if there wasn't any optimization immediately available, he could just enable it for my account (thus lessening potential resource consumption at any given time), to which he retorted Do /you/ know how to do that?, and I must say, he has me cornered ;-) I have no experience with this sort of thing, so I'm asking a little assistance in the direction of any documents or websites (or what have you) I could show him in order to answer some of these questions, or perhaps even some unspoken ones -- anything worth noting. (all I'm really going to do is link him to this thread once it has accumulated any answers) Thank you all for your help :) Wishing-to-be-liberated-from-the-clutches-of-PHP-ly y'rs, Daniel Bickett -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help! Host is reluctant to install Python
find a new host, if they can't handle simple tasks like this or simple security tasks like limiting permissions, how can you be sure anything else they do is secure or correct? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help! Host is reluctant to install Python
Daniel Bickett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been trying to convince my host to install python/mod_python on his server for a while now, however there are a number of reasons he is reluctant to do so, which I will outline here: snip I'll second what you are already hearing. Find a new hosting service because the one you have now is not qualified. Thomas Bartkus -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help! Host is reluctant to install Python
Daniel Bickett wrote: I've been trying to convince my host to install python/mod_python on his server for a while now, however there are a number of reasons he is reluctant to do so, which I will outline here: 1. His major reason is optimization. He uses Zend's optimization of PHP as an example, and he has stated that python is rather resource consuming. This depends, as all things, on what's being done with it -- it's certainly possible to write resource-hogging Python apps, but it's possible to do that in any language. And I'm not aware of Python being particularly worse in this regard than any other web-scripting language. I suspect this translates to I'm avoiding anything that I don't already know. And, in light of point #1, I suggested that if there wasn't any optimization immediately available, he could just enable it for my account (thus lessening potential resource consumption at any given time), to which he retorted Do /you/ know how to do that?, and I must say, he has me cornered ;-) I don't know how to do that offhand... but then, I don't expect people to pay me for web-hosting expertise. I would expect, from the little that I *do* know of Apache configuration, that it wouldn't be too difficult to allow Python CGIs to run out of only one specific directory, that being within your webspace. If you're paying for this service, then I'd agree with everyone else that you should be paying for a different service. There's plenty of webhosts around who *will* do Python. If this is a friend, then point him to the Python Success Stories (http://www.pythonology.com/success) and suggest that if there's that many Python web apps around, it can't be too horrible on resources/management, and that he shouldn't be so afraid to try something new... Jeff Shannon Technician/Programmer Credit International -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help! Host is reluctant to install Python
Daniel Bickett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been trying to convince my host to install python/mod_python on his server for a while now, however there are a number of reasons he is reluctant to do so, which I will outline here: I'm surprised that you're getting such detailed answers from him. Usually, low-cost web hosts want to offer a one-size-fits-all package that requires minimal interaction with customers. If you're paying $10 a month for hosting and a host admin has to spend 1 hour sending you email, that probably wipes out at least 6 months of profits from you as a customer. If you want custom service you usually have to pay a lo tmore. 1. His major reason is optimization. He uses Zend's optimization of PHP as an example, and he has stated that python is rather resource consuming. Maybe that's true, though if there's enough customer demand for Python anyway, the answer is to buy more equipment and pass the costs on. The real problem is there's not enough demand. 2. Another one of his points is that he is unexperienced in installing python, and he would not know how to do it securely. By 'securely', I'm assuming he means disallowing a malicious (or ignorant) user from harming the server That's a serious issue too, and securely means not just securing against the service's own customers, but also against outside attacks. I have no idea how carefully mod_python has been audited. I don't use it myself, though I do run some Python cgi's. I have no experience with this sort of thing, so I'm asking a little assistance in the direction of any documents or websites (or what have you) I could show him in order to answer some of these questions, or perhaps even some unspoken ones -- anything worth noting. (all I'm really going to do is link him to this thread once it has accumulated any answers) I think you should look into some type of virtual hosting that gives you more ability to install your own software. Typing uml hosting (UML is user-mode Linux) into Google finds a lot of such services. If you find one that you like, post it here, I'm interested in this myself. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Help! Host is reluctant to install Python
On [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Bickett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been trying to convince my host to install python/mod_python on his server for a while now, however there are a number of reasons he is reluctant to do so, which I will outline here: I'm surprised that you're getting such detailed answers from him. Usually, low-cost web hosts want to offer a one-size-fits-all package that requires minimal interaction with customers. If you're paying $10 a month for hosting and a host admin has to spend 1 hour sending you email, that probably wipes out at least 6 months of profits from you as a customer. If you want custom service you usually have to pay a lo tmore. I know him personally, which is part of my reluctance to ditch him entirely as most of you have suggested ;-) Suffice it to say I was able to gain access to a 2.2 installation that was already on the server, however for my intents and purposes I need a minimum of 2.3. Now I'm working on getting him to upgrade to 2.4 and install mod_python :) New quick question: As for the former, on the download page it states that the RPM distribution is sufficient for Fedora Core 3 *and similar*, and I'm curious to know if that applies to Red Had Enterprise as well. Thank you all for your answers and your time. P.S. As for your pricing question, I only pay $20 a year. His services are very affordable. You can see them all at the following link: http://www.snorland.com/webhosting/ -- Daniel Bickett [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://heureusement.org/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
