Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On 2 July 2010 05:10, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:34:15 +0300 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of them. Gmail is great for mailing lists, though I would never use it as a personal email client. But I'm more of a lurker than a poster on this list, so D'Arcy won't miss me anyway. As the song says. How can I miss you if you won't go away. :-) I've never heard that, but it sounds line a great line. Googling now! As I explained, I don't block just because you are on gmail.com. I only block if you use Google Groups to post via news. Yes, I got to that part after I posted. I should have read to whole thread first. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote in news:mailman.46.1277931314.1673.python-l...@python.org: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:10:43 -0700 (PDT) garryTX garry5...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 29, 5:31 pm, nanothermite911fbibustards [...] you ignorant mf. stfu. You shouldn't be calling people ignorant for what they post if you are just going to repost every word again. Everything that applies to him applies to you. I have had it with GG. For the last few months I have been filtering all mail from gmail.com that comes through the news gateway into a separate folder to see where the spam and abuse comes from. Over that time about 99% of all the useless crap has been caught in that filter. It's unfortunate that there are some decent posts as well but I have finally decided that the peace and quiet is worth more than the odd missed gem. So, if you are accessing this list through GG and wonder why I seem to be ignoring your brilliant arguments, this is why. If anyone is interested in the procmail recipe I will be using, here it is in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null Cheers. I only use Google Groups for quick searchs in Usenet archives, but even then I still have to manually filter out all the spam. (Heck, I don't even have a G-Account. I use news.ett.com.ua as my server and X-News as my reader.) I know spam has almost always been on Usenet, but it really picked up when G-Groups opened up. I really wish that Google would do something about it, but hey! It's not like anyone's interested in Usenet, right? Anyway, I'm glad I'm not the only pissed customer out there. And thanks for the code! :) (If you're as paranoid as I am about security and Google, try GoogleSharing for Firefox.) Good luck! -- People should read more. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:MithrandirAgain All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost; the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, a light from the shadows shall spring; renenwed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
D'Arcy J.M. Cain a écrit : On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:06:05 -0700 Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote: Gmail and Google Groups are not one and the same. There's a number of people who subscribe to the list directly, use Gmail, and don't go anywhere near Google Groups. I know that. My filter doesn't catch them. If anyone is interested in the procmail recipe I will be using, here it is in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null As you can see, to be caught in the filter you need to have a gmail address and be sending through the news gateway. which doesn't mean they use Google groups... People sending from gmail.com directly to the mailing list don't get picked up. I'm pretty sure that that defines everyone using Google Groups only. And AFAICT you're wrong. I read and post to c.l.py using my newsreader (so NOT going thru GG), and my personal address is @gmail.com. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:07:27 +0200 Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote: And AFAICT you're wrong. I read and post to c.l.py using my newsreader (so NOT going thru GG), and my personal address is @gmail.com. But... From: Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
D'Arcy J.M. Cain a écrit : On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:07:27 +0200 Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote: And AFAICT you're wrong. I read and post to c.l.py using my newsreader (so NOT going thru GG), and my personal address is @gmail.com. But... From: Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid Sorry, there's a missing sometimes between I and read !-) Posting from office now. ... Thinking again : I'm not sure the account I use to access usenet from home is a @gmail.com one neither. I'll check this out. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote in news:4c2c9002$0$17075$426a3...@news.free.fr: D'Arcy J.M. Cain a écrit : On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:07:27 +0200 Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote: And AFAICT you're wrong. I read and post to c.l.py using my newsreader (so NOT going thru GG), and my personal address is @gmail.com. But... From: Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid Sorry, there's a missing sometimes between I and read !-) Posting from office now. ... Thinking again : I'm not sure the account I use to access usenet from home is a @gmail.com one neither. I'll check this out. Just thought of this last night: If you view the full header you can see this: Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com Try blocking posts with that in the header. :) Good luck! -- People should read more. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:MithrandirAgain All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost; the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, a light from the shadows shall spring; renenwed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On 7/1/10 11:05 AM, Mithrandir wrote: Just thought of this last night: If you view the full header you can see this: Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com Try blocking posts with that in the header. :) Better idea: auto-forward any messages with that header, to that address. Odds are it's accurate :) -- ... Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On 07/01/2010 08:20 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote: On 7/1/10 11:05 AM, Mithrandir wrote: Just thought of this last night: If you view the full header you can see this: Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com Try blocking posts with that in the header. :) Better idea: auto-forward any messages with that header, to that address. Odds are it's accurate :) Brilliant! vim .procmailrc! Done! :0: * X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com !groups-ab...@google.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On 1 July 2010 00:06, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote: Gmail and Google Groups are not one and the same. There's a number of people who subscribe to the list directly, use Gmail, and don't go anywhere near Google Groups. I'm one of them. Gmail is great for mailing lists, though I would never use it as a personal email client. But I'm more of a lurker than a poster on this list, so D'Arcy won't miss me anyway. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
Thomas Jollans tho...@jollans.com wrote in news:mailman.55.1277936519.1673.python-l...@python.org: On 06/30/2010 10:55 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null * X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com looks like a nice header to filter on Oops. Didn't see that you had already posted that idea. I'm sorry. :) But anyway, I had another idea (which hasn't already been mentioned.) ;) Since there are a good deal of gems in Google groups, and not all of them are spam artists, how about a whitelist/blacklist in the program? That way some posts from good people come through from G-Groups, and others (the bad ones) don't. Plus, the ones that you do blacklist would auto-generate a message to groups-ab...@google.com. That'll show 'em. :D Good luck! -- People should read more. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:MithrandirAgain All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost; the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, a light from the shadows shall spring; renenwed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:34:15 +0300 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of them. Gmail is great for mailing lists, though I would never use it as a personal email client. But I'm more of a lurker than a poster on this list, so D'Arcy won't miss me anyway. As the song says. How can I miss you if you won't go away. :-) As I explained, I don't block just because you are on gmail.com. I only block if you use Google Groups to post via news. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:10:43 -0700 (PDT) garryTX garry5...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 29, 5:31 pm, nanothermite911fbibustards [...] you ignorant mf. stfu. You shouldn't be calling people ignorant for what they post if you are just going to repost every word again. Everything that applies to him applies to you. I have had it with GG. For the last few months I have been filtering all mail from gmail.com that comes through the news gateway into a separate folder to see where the spam and abuse comes from. Over that time about 99% of all the useless crap has been caught in that filter. It's unfortunate that there are some decent posts as well but I have finally decided that the peace and quiet is worth more than the odd missed gem. So, if you are accessing this list through GG and wonder why I seem to be ignoring your brilliant arguments, this is why. If anyone is interested in the procmail recipe I will be using, here it is in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null Cheers. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On 6/30/10 1:55 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: I have had it with GG. For the last few months I have been filtering all mail from gmail.com that comes through the news gateway into a separate folder to see where the spam and abuse comes from. Over that time about 99% of all the useless crap has been caught in that filter. It's unfortunate that there are some decent posts as well but I have finally decided that the peace and quiet is worth more than the odd missed gem. So, if you are accessing this list through GG and wonder why I seem to be ignoring your brilliant arguments, this is why. Gmail and Google Groups are not one and the same. There's a number of people who subscribe to the list directly, use Gmail, and don't go anywhere near Google Groups. If anyone is interested in the procmail recipe I will be using, here it is in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null Bye. -- ... Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:06:05 -0700 Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote: Gmail and Google Groups are not one and the same. There's a number of people who subscribe to the list directly, use Gmail, and don't go anywhere near Google Groups. I know that. My filter doesn't catch them. If anyone is interested in the procmail recipe I will be using, here it is in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null As you can see, to be caught in the filter you need to have a gmail address and be sending through the news gateway. People sending from gmail.com directly to the mailing list don't get picked up. I'm pretty sure that that defines everyone using Google Groups only. I am definitely open to correction though. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On 6/30/10 2:15 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: If anyone is interested in the procmail recipe I will be using, here it is in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null As you can see, to be caught in the filter you need to have a gmail address and be sending through the news gateway. People sending from gmail.com directly to the mailing list don't get picked up. I'm pretty sure that that defines everyone using Google Groups only. I am definitely open to correction though. Hmm, my procmail-fu is about a decade out of date, so I'll have to take your word on that. Okay, un-Bye :) -- ... Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:15 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:06:05 -0700 Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote: Gmail and Google Groups are not one and the same. There's a number of people who subscribe to the list directly, use Gmail, and don't go anywhere near Google Groups. I know that. My filter doesn't catch them. If anyone is interested in the procmail recipe I will be using, here it is in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null As you can see, to be caught in the filter you need to have a gmail address and be sending through the news gateway. People sending from gmail.com directly to the mailing list don't get picked up. I'm pretty sure that that defines everyone using Google Groups only. I am definitely open to correction though. If you get this, you get the gmail-but-not-google-groups stuff. Geremy Condra -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:25:55 -0400 geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: If you get this, you get the gmail-but-not-google-groups stuff. Hello. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Jun 30, 3:55 pm, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote:
I have had it with GG. For the last few months I have been filtering
all mail from gmail.com that comes through the news gateway into a
separate folder to see where the spam and abuse comes from. Over that
time about 99% of all the useless crap has been caught in that filter.
It's unfortunate that there are some decent posts as well but I have
finally decided that the peace and quiet is worth more than the odd
missed gem. So, if you are accessing this list through GG and wonder
why I seem to be ignoring your brilliant arguments, this is why.
Just filter out %s and your done with this nitwit. %
(''.join(map(chr, [66, 85, 83, 84, 65, 82, 68, 83])))
PS: I really hope the BUSTARDS find this guy soon and shut him up! I
would trade this guy for ten xah's right now! At least xah's rants
*are* computer related and far less frequent!
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:18:55 -0700 Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote: Okay, un-Bye :) Nice to be back. :-) -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 425 1212 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On Jun 30, 2010, at 4:55 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:10:43 -0700 (PDT) garryTX garry5...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 29, 5:31 pm, nanothermite911fbibustards [...] you ignorant mf. stfu. You shouldn't be calling people ignorant for what they post if you are just going to repost every word again. Everything that applies to him applies to you. I have had it with GG. For the last few months I have been filtering all mail from gmail.com that comes through the news gateway into a separate folder to see where the spam and abuse comes from. Over that time about 99% of all the useless crap has been caught in that filter. It's unfortunate that there are some decent posts as well but I have finally decided that the peace and quiet is worth more than the odd missed gem. So, if you are accessing this list through GG and wonder why I seem to be ignoring your brilliant arguments, this is why. If anyone is interested in the procmail recipe I will be using, here it is in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null For a few weeks I've been tossing anything sent to the Python list with an Organization header == http://groups.google.com (based on someone else's suggestion) and it's vastly improved the signal/noise ratio for me. HTH P -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Ignorance and Google Groups (again)
On 06/30/2010 10:55 PM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: in all it's glory. :0: Hir * ^List-Id:.*python-list.python.org * ^From:@gmail.com * ^Newsgroups: /dev/null * X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com looks like a nice header to filter on -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
