Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
Tim Chase wrote: Is this where we tell you to shut up? gdr ;-) Don't you mean STFU? -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
On Feb 7, 2:37 am, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: So I think python-list has become more friendly since. I've experienced the same sort of thing. About a year ago (I think) there were one or more regulars here who were often somewhat rude, unfriendly, or snobbish (not naming any names). Trouble was, they were experienced and often helpful too so the behaviour was mostly tolerated. Haven't seen that sort of thing in a while though. c.l.py is a very friendly place these days. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
On Feb 6, 6:23 am, Hendrik van Rooyen m...@microcorp.co.za wrote: I think this thread has buggered up a perfectly ^^^ Such language. I'm appalled. Mark -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
On Feb 5, 8:02 am, Dan Upton up...@virginia.edu wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM, mk mrk...@gmail.com wrote: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm 467 comp.lang.python shut+up 263 comp.lang.perl rtfm 45 comp.lang.perl shut+up But over how many messages for each group? Wouldn't the percentage of messages containing those be more interesting than the raw number? ;p As would the percent of threads that ultimately have GIL within the last, oh, say 20% of their messages :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
Probably that [c.l.]python is becoming more popular and, like most things as they become popular, it loses its purity... much like the Internet in the early 1990s. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
Albert Hopkins wrote: Probably that [c.l.]python is becoming more popular and, like most things as they become popular, it loses its purity... much like the Internet in the early 1990s. Several years ago when I proposed the addition of list.pop(), a couple of people accused me of trying to ruin Python (by spoiling its 'purity', I guess). There were some other unfriendly things said a few years later, by and to various people, in the discussion of integer division. So I think python-list has become more friendly since. Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
(duck)
542 comp.lang.python rtfm
467 comp.lang.python shut+up
263 comp.lang.perl rtfm
45 comp.lang.perl shut+up
Code:
import urllib2
import re
import time
def fillurlfmt(args):
urlfmt, ggroup, gkw = args
return {'group':ggroup, 'keyword':gkw, 'url': urlfmt % (gkw, ggroup)}
def consqurls(args):
ggroup, gkeywords = args
urlfmt =
'http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_q=%sas_epq=as_oq=as_eq=num=10scoring=lr=as_sitesearch=as_drrb=qas_qdr=as_mind=1as_minm=1as_miny=1999as_maxd=1as_maxm=1as_maxy=2009as_ugroup=%sas_usubject=as_uauthors=safe=off'
qurls = map(fillurlfmt, [ (urlfmt, ggroup, gkw) for gkw in gkeywords ])
return qurls
def flatten_list(x):
res = []
for el in x:
if isinstance(el,list):
res.extend(flatten_list(el))
else:
res.append(el)
return res
def ggsearch(urldict):
opener = urllib2.build_opener()
opener.addheaders = [('User-agent', 'Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U;
Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.20) Gecko/20081217 (CK-IBM)
Firefox/2.0.0.20')]
time.sleep(0.1)
urlf = opener.open(urldict['url'])
resdict = {'result': urlf.read()}
resdict.update(urldict)
urlf.close()
return resdict
def extrclosure(resregexp, groupno):
def extrres(resdict):
txtgr = resregexp.search(resdict['result'])
resdict['result']=txtgr.group(groupno)
return resdict
return extrres
def delcomma(x):
x['result'] = x['result'].replace(',','')
return x
if __name__ == __main__:
gkeywords = ['rtfm', 'shut+up']
ggroups = ['comp.lang.python', 'comp.lang.perl']
params = [(ggroup, gkeywords) for ggroup in ggroups]
qurls = map(consqurls, params)
qurls = flatten_list(qurls)
gresults = map(ggsearch, qurls)
resre = re.compile('Results \b\1\/b\ - \b\.+?\/b\ of about
\b\(.+?)\/b\')
gextrsearchresult = extrclosure(resre,1)
gresults = map(gextrsearchresult, gresults)
gresults = map(delcomma, gresults)
for el in gresults:
print el['result'], el['group'], el['keyword']
print
This was inspired by
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2002-November/172466.html
Regards,
mk
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM, mk mrk...@gmail.com wrote: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm 467 comp.lang.python shut+up 263 comp.lang.perl rtfm 45 comp.lang.perl shut+up But over how many messages for each group? Wouldn't the percentage of messages containing those be more interesting than the raw number? ;p -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
2009/2/5 mk mrk...@gmail.com: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm 467 comp.lang.python shut+up 263 comp.lang.perl rtfm 45 comp.lang.perl shut+up Yes, but is there any real traffic on comp.lang.perl nowadays? Sorry, cheap shot ;-) -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
mk schrieb: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm 467 comp.lang.python shut+up 263 comp.lang.perl rtfm 45 comp.lang.perl shut+up It appears to me that comp.lang.perl isn't even active anymore. Or googles interface is just crappy. c.l.perl.misc seems to be the place to search. And raw numbers are nothing without actual postings. FWIW, I can't remember reading the last time RTFM here, but then I usually skip the giant-size horse-beatings about GIL removal and encapsulation... Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
(duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm 467 comp.lang.python shut+up 263 comp.lang.perl rtfm 45 comp.lang.perl shut+up Is this where we tell you to shut up? gdr ;-) As others mentioned, the raw numbers don't mean much without a total-volume-of-posts to demonstrate the percentage. It would also be interesting to see how many of those posts are concentrated in certain threads -- for the most part, c.l.python has been a pretty civil place, but a few threads have degraded into puerile spats. -tkc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
2009/2/5 Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com: Is this where we tell you to shut up? gdr ;-) [snip] It would also be interesting to see how many of those posts are concentrated in certain threads And, as you have clearly demonstrated, how many of those posts also contain a smiley or some other form of hedging in a position that could modify the unfriendly text? -- Tim Rowe -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Tim Rowe digi...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/5 Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com: Is this where we tell you to shut up? gdr ;-) [snip] It would also be interesting to see how many of those posts are concentrated in certain threads And, as you have clearly demonstrated, how many of those posts also contain a smiley or some other form of hedging in a position that could modify the unfriendly text? I'd be amused to see shut up and rtfm ;) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
Tim Rowe a écrit : 2009/2/5 Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com: Is this where we tell you to shut up? gdr ;-) [snip] It would also be interesting to see how many of those posts are concentrated in certain threads And, as you have clearly demonstrated, how many of those posts also contain a smiley or some other form of hedging in a position that could modify the unfriendly text? Not to mention when the rtfm comes with a pointer to the relevant url and a couple explanations. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
mk wrote: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm What is so unfriendly about 'read the fine manual'? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
On Feb 5, 4:20 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: mk wrote: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm What is so unfriendly about 'read the fine manual'? You've seen a fine manual? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
Mensanator wrote: On Feb 5, 4:20 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: mk wrote: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm What is so unfriendly about 'read the fine manual'? You've seen a fine manual? Yes, and I'm fine well sure this is somewhere between a silly thread and a troll. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
Mensanator wrote: On Feb 5, 4:20 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: mk wrote: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm What is so unfriendly about 'read the fine manual'? You've seen a fine manual? Yes, and I and others have spent hours and hours making the Python manuals finer. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
Mensanator m@aol.com On Feb 5, 4:20 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: mk wrote: (duck) 542 comp.lang.python rtfm What is so unfriendly about 'read the fine manual'? You've seen a fine manual? Oh Fine! - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is c.l.py becoming less friendly?
Steve Holden st...@h...eb.com wrote: Yes, and I'm fine well sure this is somewhere between a silly thread and a troll. Fine reads wrong - it should be fining. Silly? Us here on clp, silly? What a monstrous thought! I'll have you know this is a respectable establishment, and you should be grateful that such fine, serious folk suffer your impertinence without taking umbrage ! Ok Steve now it's your turn to tell me it does not scan. I think this thread has buggered up a perfectly good word for me - It will be difficult, in future, to hear the word without having to suppress an involuntary snigger. - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
