Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of code and developer freedom, and proprietary freedom. well that can be discussed... (BSD, MIT, Apache, CDDL) Anyway, maybe the OP can have a look at PySide which was developed after Riverbank Comp didn't want to offer PyQt as LGPL. In my opinion Qt is by far the most developed GUI available for Python, and it will be even bigger in the near future with support for iOS and Android. gr arno -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB pyt...@rgbaz.eu wrote: On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of code and developer freedom, and proprietary freedom. well that can be discussed... (BSD, MIT, Apache, CDDL) You can argue about which is the best license to use (I don't personally like the GPL and LGPL, and don't use them on my creations), but Steve's description that its free status depends on what you're doing with it implies a fairly major violation of the principles of software freedom, which I would expect *all* the popular open-source licenses to be correct on. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 21/02/2013 11:08, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB pyt...@rgbaz.eu wrote: On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of code and developer freedom, and proprietary freedom. well that can be discussed... (BSD, MIT, Apache, CDDL) You can argue about which is the best license to use (I don't personally like the GPL and LGPL, and don't use them on my creations), but Steve's description that its free status depends on what you're doing with it implies a fairly major violation of the principles of software freedom, which I would expect *all* the popular open-source licenses to be correct on. ChrisA I downloaded my copy when Qt was in Nokia's hands at which time there was a paid for license for commercial development and a 'free' community license. I thought that situation remained but if things have changed since the change of ownership (guardianship?), then I apologise for being out of date - as so many parts of me are :-) Steve -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
Hi, How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. you can -- MIT/BSD/public domain etc. provide much more freedom to the developer. (And I prefer freedom for the developer over the guarantee (freedom or restriction -- call it as you wish) that nobody may lock down a copy of the sourcecode.) In addition, using the LGPL-version of Qt for proprietary/commercial software may be risky, because if you violate the LGPL by accident (e.g. because of some formal issue), the Qt-owner may demand compensation, e.g. the license-fee for the commercial Qt version for the last couple of years... regards Roland -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 2013-02-21 10:18, Steve Simmons wrote: On 21/02/2013 11:08, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB pyt...@rgbaz.eu wrote: On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of code and developer freedom, and proprietary freedom. well that can be discussed... (BSD, MIT, Apache, CDDL) You can argue about which is the best license to use (I don't personally like the GPL and LGPL, and don't use them on my creations), but Steve's description that its free status depends on what you're doing with it implies a fairly major violation of the principles of software freedom, which I would expect *all* the popular open-source licenses to be correct on. ChrisA I downloaded my copy when Qt was in Nokia's hands at which time there was a paid for license for commercial development and a 'free' community license. I thought that situation remained but if things have changed since the change of ownership (guardianship?), then I apologise for being out of date - as so many parts of me are :-) The situation has not substantively changed, but your description of it is not really accurate. There was and still is a commercial license which allows for completely proprietary development without needing to allow end users to relink the application against user-supplied versions of Qt. The free license is the LGPL, which really is Free under all common understandings of that term. You can use the LGPL license for commercial and otherwise-proprietary applications. You just have to follow the terms of the LGPL like normal. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
Hi, The situation has not substantively changed, but your description of it is not really accurate. There was and still is a commercial license which allows for completely proprietary development without needing to allow end users to relink the application against user-supplied versions of Qt. The free license is the LGPL, that's not quite correct; things have changed 2009 and Qt now has three different licenses: - commercial licence - GPL (+GPL exceptions) - LGPL + Qt LGPL Exception (because of inline-functions/templates) since Qt 4.5 best regards Roland -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 2013-02-21 17:05, Roland Koebler wrote: Hi, The situation has not substantively changed, but your description of it is not really accurate. There was and still is a commercial license which allows for completely proprietary development without needing to allow end users to relink the application against user-supplied versions of Qt. The free license is the LGPL, that's not quite correct; things have changed 2009 and Qt now has three different licenses: - commercial licence - GPL (+GPL exceptions) - LGPL + Qt LGPL Exception (because of inline-functions/templates) since Qt 4.5 True, there are three options, but this was the case under Nokia too, which was the time period that Steve was talking about. His description that Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) doesn't apply to this either. Or the previous iteration under late-period TrollTech, for that matter. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
Hi, That way of building a window tends to produce programs that port badly to other systems. hmm, I don't think so. I've build several applications in C + GTK/Glade and Python + GTK/Glade, which easily run on Linux and Windows without any GUI changes. playing with Java applets introduced the novel and somewhat strange idea that your window should be built using rules and layouts, to avoid problems with button sizes, fonts, etc, etc. Do you know the container-concept of GTK+ and Glade? In many GUI-builders, you set your widgets to fixed positions (e.g. a text field at x16/y16 with 100*30 pixels, a button at x16/y50 with 100*50 pixels etc.). This is *bad*, and causes all kinds of problems with e.g. different window- or font-sizes, like widgets outside of the visible window, text running over the border of a widget or being cut at the edge of the widget etc. But: GTK+ has a wonderful concept of containers [*]. You normally don't set widgets to fixed positions -- instead, you add layout tables (or vertical boxes or horizontal boxes or ...), and essentially define that some widgets should be above each other, side by side or in a grid layout, so you more or less define the layout logically. The real size and position of the widgets is dynamically calculated by GTK+, so they always have the right size, and different font sizes, different window sizes, etc. are not a problem anymore [q]. And Glade (the GTK+ GUI builder) works exactly that way. [*] Besides, the container-concept also allows such nice things like putting anything inside a button (e.g. 2 images and a label), or inside a notebook tab etc. pp. [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does not have such a container-concept, where many widgets (e.g. buttons, notebook registers etc.) contain other widgets. You have to think about your window differently - think about what you're putting where, rather than going visually that looks about right - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you run your app. Yes, that's also true for GTK+/Glade. But you have the choice to either build you GUI graphically with your mouse, or textually in your editor -- or mix both. regards Roland -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:34:50 +0100, Roland Koebler r.koeb...@yahoo.de ... [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does not have such a container-concept, where many widgets (e.g. buttons, notebook registers etc.) contain other widgets. ... I'm sorry but all of that is completely wrong. Using layouts that automatically adapt to fonts, the size of widgets being laid out etc. is the default way. You could use explicit sizes and positions if you wanted to, but that would be bad for the reasons you gave. Qt does have a container concept - that's what a QWidget is (the base class of all widgets). Phil -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Roland Koebler r.koeb...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, That way of building a window tends to produce programs that port badly to other systems. hmm, I don't think so. I've build several applications in C + GTK/Glade and Python + GTK/Glade, which easily run on Linux and Windows without any GUI changes. playing with Java applets introduced the novel and somewhat strange idea that your window should be built using rules and layouts, to avoid problems with button sizes, fonts, etc, etc. Do you know the container-concept of GTK+ and Glade? Yes, I do; it's just that I first met that concept when I started playing with Java applets. Up until then, all my UIs had been either textual or laid out with pixel-based positioning in a WYSIWYG layout editor. In many GUI-builders, you set your widgets to fixed positions (e.g. a text field at x16/y16 with 100*30 pixels, a button at x16/y50 with 100*50 pixels etc.). This is *bad*, and causes all kinds of problems with e.g. different window- or font-sizes, like widgets outside of the visible window, text running over the border of a widget or being cut at the edge of the widget etc. But: GTK+ has a wonderful concept of containers [*]. You normally don't set widgets to fixed positions -- instead, you add layout tables (or vertical boxes or horizontal boxes or ...), and essentially define that some widgets should be above each other, side by side or in a grid layout, so you more or less define the layout logically. The real size and position of the widgets is dynamically calculated by GTK+, so they always have the right size, and different font sizes, different window sizes, etc. are not a problem anymore [q]. And Glade (the GTK+ GUI builder) works exactly that way. Precisely. That's the fundamental difference of thinking. I haven't actually used Glade, preferring to lay things out myself in actual code, but the difference isn't so much between visual layout editor and code to create stuff as it is between pixel-positioning and rule-based layout. And it's that difference that creates the distinction between programs that look terrible on anything other than the programmer's own system, and those that look fine on any platform. Same thing happens with web browsers, too, except that they're a lot more likely to be flat-out buggy (I do not EVER want to go back to making a web page look correct in IE6). [*] Besides, the container-concept also allows such nice things like putting anything inside a button (e.g. 2 images and a label), or inside a notebook tab etc. pp. Not that you'll actually *use* that flexibility very often, but it sure is nice when you want it! And it's a cleanliness of design, too; instead of having the PushButton subclassed to be the ImagePushButton, and having the Notebook have special code to permit you to put an icon on the tab, no, you just have the button surface and the tab accept one child, which can be a layout manager. What if you like how the image+text button looks, but want the image to take 25% of any spare space and the text to grab the other 75%? I've no idea if that level of flexibility will EVER be wanted, but you can do it with an Hbox layout manager, so you can do it on a button. It's a huge change of thinking, if you've grown up laying things out on pixels. But it's SO worthwhile. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
Hi, I agree that on Linux GTK is pretty darn slick. I use it for all my little GUIs. But on Windows, GTK, particularly under python, isn't quite as easy to get running. installing GTK+ 2.x should be easy, since there are all-in-one-installers for windows on http://www.gtk.org (for GTK+) and http://www.pygtk.org (for Python+GTK+). Installing GTK+ 3.x on windows is currently a bit more complicated, but this situation should improve soon. I think if the OP is on windows (which it seems like he is) then Qt with PySide (using either QML or QtDesigner to manipulate ui files) is an excellent choice. I never was happy with QtDesigner -- I always struggled *a lot* (in contrast to Glade, where most things worked like a charm). I not even achieved to rename the tab of a notebook (?!) or to create a button with an icon above the text, or a grid layout without a fixed layout. It even seems that the QtDesigner doesn't even provide standard- icons (e.g. for open, close, exit etc.) or a file dialog. Am I doing something fundamentally wrong in QtDesigner, or is QtDesigner really that bad? regards Roland -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
Hi, [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does not have such a container-concept, where many widgets (e.g. buttons, notebook registers etc.) contain other widgets. ... I'm sorry but all of that is completely wrong. Using layouts that automatically adapt to fonts, the size of widgets being laid out etc. is the default way. You could use explicit sizes and positions if you wanted to, but that would be bad for the reasons you gave. hmm, interesting, but then Qt Designer is a total mess. In Qt Designer (at least in 4.x), the default is a fixed layout, where I have to position the widgets at precise pixel-positions and have to define the size in pixels. And I cannot remove the default fixed layout without modifying the .ui-file in a text editor! Qt does have a container concept - that's what a QWidget is (the base class of all widgets). A container concept like in GTK+ is *much* more than having a base widget where all widgets are derived from, or having layout boxes. It means that most widgets are containers, like buttons, notebook labels, checkboxes, radio buttons, scrollbar-windows etc. And I haven't seen anything like this in Qt (or: in Qt Designer). regards Roland -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:42:48 +0100, Roland Koebler r.koeb...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does not have such a container-concept, where many widgets (e.g. buttons, notebook registers etc.) contain other widgets. ... I'm sorry but all of that is completely wrong. Using layouts that automatically adapt to fonts, the size of widgets being laid out etc. is the default way. You could use explicit sizes and positions if you wanted to, but that would be bad for the reasons you gave. hmm, interesting, but then Qt Designer is a total mess. In Qt Designer (at least in 4.x), the default is a fixed layout, where I have to position the widgets at precise pixel-positions and have to define the size in pixels. And I cannot remove the default fixed layout without modifying the .ui-file in a text editor! I'm sorry but that is just wrong. You position the widgets roughly, select them, then click on the button corresponding to the layout you want to apply. By selecting a sub-set of the widgets you can create a sub-layout which itself can be part of a parent layout. You therefore create any sort of layout you want without specifying a single pixel position or size. Phil -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
Hi Phil, In Qt Designer (at least in 4.x), the default is a fixed layout, where I have to position the widgets at precise pixel-positions and have to define the size in pixels. And I cannot remove the default fixed layout without modifying the .ui-file in a text editor! I'm sorry but that is just wrong. I now found out, that I can indeed change the default fixed layout by clicking onto the empty main window or by selecting the main window in the Object Inspector and then clicking on a layout-icon on the toolbar. Thanks. I hope that most developers who use Qt use this feature, since the fixed layout is the default in Qt designer and it's not really obvious how to change this for beginners... regards Roland -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Laszlo Nagy gand...@shopzeus.com wrote: You have to think about your window differently - think about what you're putting where, rather than going visually that looks about right - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you run your app. As an added bonus, you don't need any sort of graphical builder; you can just write code directly in your editor. Yes, but these are not mutually exclusive. There can be (and there are) GUI tools that let you arrange your widgets with layouts and rules. In other words, using layouts and rules does not alone make it impossible to use a GUI builder. Agreed, as I clarified in my subsequent post. My original statement was a tad broad. The GUI builder isn't the problem, but the Visual BASIC GUI builder is pixel-based, and is therefore part of what I described as tending to produce non-portable UIs. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
You have to think about your window differently - think about what you're putting where, rather than going visually that looks about right - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you run your app. As an added bonus, you don't need any sort of graphical builder; you can just write code directly in your editor. Yes, but these are not mutually exclusive. There can be (and there are) GUI tools that let you arrange your widgets with layouts and rules. In other words, using layouts and rules does not alone make it impossible to use a GUI builder. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 2/19/13 5:19 PM, Rex Macey wrote: I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Tkinter is so easy to use to build GUI's that a GUI tool isn't needed. Hardly any Tk or Tkinter developer uses anything but a text editor and console to develop a user interface. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
Am 19.02.2013 23:19, schrieb Rex Macey: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. There are GUI builders, but unfortunately there's none which is as easy to use as VB where the GUI builder and the rest of the programming environment / language are tightly integrated. Have a look at the GUI toolkits wxPython and PyQt. Then have a look at the GUI builders like Qt Designer, wxFormBuilder and wxGlade. Maybe also wxDesigner. For the builder itself, you will probably like Qt Designer most. But as with the other GUI builders, it generates resource files or Python source code which then you will need to import into your Python project and manually link GUI and code. Compared to the VB way, this is a huge step backwards and also this means that you need to know and remember a lot about the underlying toolkit. You will probably end up coding your GUIs manually, which is the best way for complex things anyway. Unfortunately, that's a blocking point for many usage scenarios, e.g. when you want to sell Python as replacement for VB... Regards, Dietmar -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of code and developer freedom, and proprietary freedom. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Is there a graphical GUI builder?
I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 19/02/2013 22:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Thanks. Try typing python gui builder into your favourite search engine. If you're lucky you might find something, if not you'll have to write your own or do without. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Rex Macey xer0...@gmail.com wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Thanks. wxFormBuilder seems to be popular and works with wxPython. Beyond that, you might also take a look at the GUI Design Tools and IDEs list at: http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Rex Macey xer0...@gmail.com wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Thanks. That way of building a window tends to produce programs that port badly to other systems. Back in the 1990s, I used to build windows that way (mainly using VX-REXX); playing with Java applets introduced the novel and somewhat strange idea that your window should be built using rules and layouts, to avoid problems with button sizes, fonts, etc, etc. Today, cross-platform code is the norm, not a curiosity, so this method of building up a window is correspondingly more plausible. I strongly recommend it. You have to think about your window differently - think about what you're putting where, rather than going visually that looks about right - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you run your app. As an added bonus, you don't need any sort of graphical builder; you can just write code directly in your editor. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 20/02/13 08:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Thanks. I'm new to Python myself and the best IDE that I've found is Eric. -- Regards, Phil -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. IIRC the Qt builder can generate Python code. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 19/02/13 22:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Thanks. Boa Constructor perhaps (http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/). Duncan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
Hi, I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. yes, there are several, depending on the GUI-toolkit (GTK+, Qt, ...) you want to use. But I would recommend Glade and the GTK+-Toolkit. Simply search for Glade, GTK and Python in your favourite search engine, and you will find several tutorials. regards, Roland -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 02/19/2013 07:53 PM, Roland Koebler wrote: Hi, I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. yes, there are several, depending on the GUI-toolkit (GTK+, Qt, ...) you want to use. But I would recommend Glade and the GTK+-Toolkit. Simply search for Glade, GTK and Python in your favourite search engine, and you will find several tutorials. I agree that on Linux GTK is pretty darn slick. I use it for all my little GUIs. But on Windows, GTK, particularly under python, isn't quite as easy to get running. Just be forewarned. Doesn't seem to me that GTK on windows is being developed at the same pace as it is on Linux. I think if the OP is on windows (which it seems like he is) then Qt with PySide (using either QML or QtDesigner to manipulate ui files) is an excellent choice. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?
On 19/02/2013 23:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Thanks. Take a look at Qt (and PyQt) - this includes QtDesigner, a nice GUI design/generation tool. Three caveats: 1. Read and Re-read the response from Chris Angelico - IME he knows what he is talking about and I'm just in the process of learning first hand what he is telling you (I'm writing an application in Python with PyQt). 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. 3. QtDesigner isn't Visual Studio and creating a GUI in Qt/PyQt tends to be a process of GUI design, GUI code generation and integration with your 'business logic.' There's no round-trip-engineering, so if you mess with your GUI code after generating it, it isn't easy to get it back into QtDesigner. Steve Simmons -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
