Re: New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
On Sep 11, 3:53 am, eb303 eric.bru...@pragmadev.com wrote: For the OP: the problem comes from the tcl/tk level. Running a tcl script just opening a window from the terminal shows the same behaviour. You might want to forward the question to the tcl guys. Done: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=299cc2dd0909141604t5013feddkd6e82c0120d38c6a%40mail.gmail.comforum_name=tcl-mac -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
On Thursday 10 September 2009 18:19:09 Joshua Bronson wrote: True, but it'll still be a lot less painful for me to test my app if I can get it to steal focus when launched from the command line. If anyone knows how to do this in Tkinter, help would be much appreciated. look for widget.focus_force() and look for widget.grab_set_global() Yahoo for: Shipman Tkinter new mexico tech for a nice manual, if you do not have it yet. HTH - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
On Sep 11, 9:14 am, Hendrik van Rooyen hend...@microcorp.co.za wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 18:19:09 Joshua Bronson wrote: True, but it'll still be a lot less painful for me to test my app if I can get it to steal focus when launched from the command line. If anyone knows how to do this in Tkinter, help would be much appreciated. look for widget.focus_force() and look for widget.grab_set_global() Doesn't work. BTW, forcing the focus or setting the grab globally are usually considered very annoying and I don't know any windowing system or window manager honouring those. For the OP: the problem comes from the tcl/tk level. Running a tcl script just opening a window from the terminal shows the same behaviour. You might want to forward the question to the tcl guys. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
On Friday 11 September 2009 09:53:56 eb303 wrote: On Sep 11, 9:14 am, Hendrik van Rooyen hend...@microcorp.co.za wrote: look for widget.focus_force() and look for widget.grab_set_global() Doesn't work. BTW, forcing the focus or setting the grab globally are usually considered very annoying and I don't know any windowing system or window manager honouring those. I have to confess I have never used the stuff - just remembered seeing it in the manual and pointed it out. What does it do? - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
On Sep 11, 10:40 am, Hendrik van Rooyen hend...@microcorp.co.za wrote: On Friday 11 September 2009 09:53:56 eb303 wrote: On Sep 11, 9:14 am, Hendrik van Rooyen hend...@microcorp.co.za wrote: look for widget.focus_force() and look for widget.grab_set_global() Doesn't work. BTW, forcing the focus or setting the grab globally are usually considered very annoying and I don't know any windowing system or window manager honouring those. I have to confess I have never used the stuff - just remembered seeing it in the manual and pointed it out. What does it do? At tcl level, focus_force() and grab_set_global() are translated as options to the equivalents of focus_set() and grab_set() [1][2]. If these are not honoured, the options are simply ignored. That's what seems to happen on Mac OS X. So focus_force() does the same as focus_set(), and grab_set_global() the same as grab_set(). No use for the OP's problem... [1] http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/TkCmd/focus.htm [2] http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/TkCmd/grab.htm -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
On 9/10/09 1:27 AM, Joshua Bronson wrote: If you try something like: $ python -m Tkinter -c 'Tkinter._test()' in Terminal on OS X, you'll notice that the window that is spawned does not get focus, rather focus remains in Terminal. Furthermore, if you hit Command+Tab to switch focus to the Python process, you'll notice that for some reason Python has been placed last in the focus order, even though it was just spawned by Terminal. This is undesirable if you're e.g. making a game where stuff happens as soon as the window is spawned and the player is expected to respond quickly but can't until she Command+Tabs over or clicks in the unfocused window. I've googled for this extensively and haven't found a way around it, so I thought I'd ask here. If there is a more appropriate place to ask, please let me know. Thanks, Josh Yes, this is standard behavior for OS X. Running an app in Terminal keeps focus in the Terminal unless you switch by clicking windows. The Command-Tab behavior is determined by the windowing system, not by a newly spawned process. The way around this is to wrap your application up in a standard Mac app bundle using py2app. The average Mac user isn't going to launch a Python-based game from the command line. Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
Hey Kevin, Thanks for your quick reply. On Sep 10, 10:12 am, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote: On 9/10/09 1:27 AM, Joshua Bronson wrote: If you try something like: $ python -m Tkinter -c 'Tkinter._test()' in Terminal on OS X, you'll notice that the window that is spawned does not get focus, rather focus remains in Terminal. Furthermore, if you hit Command+Tab to switch focus to the Python process, you'll notice that for some reason Python has been placed last in the focus order, even though it was just spawned by Terminal. This is undesirable if you're e.g. making a game where stuff happens as soon as the window is spawned and the player is expected to respond quickly but can't until she Command+Tabs over or clicks in the unfocused window. I've googled for this extensively and haven't found a way around it, so I thought I'd ask here. If there is a more appropriate place to ask, please let me know. Thanks, Josh Yes, this is standard behavior for OS X. Running an app in Terminal keeps focus in the Terminal unless you switch by clicking windows. At first I was puzzled by this, because if you run something like open -a TextEdit, TextEdit gets the focus. But then I realized this must be because of the open command. Indeed, if you try running something like /Applications/MacPorts/Python\ 2.6/IDLE.app/Contents/ MacOS/IDLE focus will remain in Terminal. On the other hand, every other GUI toolkit I've used (e.g. wxPython, PyQt4, pyglet) does not have this problem. (If you try the basic example from http://www.wxpython.org/tut-part1.php you'll see what I mean.) How are these other toolkits able to steal the focus? More important, is it *possible* to have a Tkinter app steal the focus, even if it's not the default behavior? The Command-Tab behavior is determined by the windowing system, not by a newly spawned process. Sure, but I've always noticed a correspondence between the focus order and the order in which an application was spawned. So the conclusion is that there's just a system-wide inconsistency here in the case of spawning GUI apps from Terminal. The way around this is to wrap your application up in a standard Mac app bundle using py2app. The average Mac user isn't going to launch a Python-based game from the command line. True, but it'll still be a lot less painful for me to test my app if I can get it to steal focus when launched from the command line. If anyone knows how to do this in Tkinter, help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Josh Kevin -- Kevin Walzer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
Hi Joshua, At first I was puzzled by this, because if you run something like open -a TextEdit, TextEdit gets the focus. But then I realized this must be because of the open command. Indeed, if you try running something like /Applications/MacPorts/Python\ 2.6/IDLE.app/Contents/ MacOS/IDLE focus will remain in Terminal. OK... On the other hand, every other GUI toolkit I've used (e.g. wxPython, PyQt4, pyglet) does not have this problem. (If you try the basic example from http://www.wxpython.org/tut-part1.php you'll see what I mean.) How are these other toolkits able to steal the focus? More important, is it *possible* to have a Tkinter app steal the focus, even if it's not the default behavior? I've confirmed this with wx...not sure why Tk behaves differently. The way around this is to wrap your application up in a standard Mac app bundle using py2app. The average Mac user isn't going to launch a Python-based game from the command line. True, but it'll still be a lot less painful for me to test my app if I can get it to steal focus when launched from the command line. If anyone knows how to do this in Tkinter, help would be much appreciated. I'm not sure there's a way to do this. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
New Tkinter windows don't get focus on OS X
If you try something like: $ python -m Tkinter -c 'Tkinter._test()' in Terminal on OS X, you'll notice that the window that is spawned does not get focus, rather focus remains in Terminal. Furthermore, if you hit Command+Tab to switch focus to the Python process, you'll notice that for some reason Python has been placed last in the focus order, even though it was just spawned by Terminal. This is undesirable if you're e.g. making a game where stuff happens as soon as the window is spawned and the player is expected to respond quickly but can't until she Command+Tabs over or clicks in the unfocused window. I've googled for this extensively and haven't found a way around it, so I thought I'd ask here. If there is a more appropriate place to ask, please let me know. Thanks, Josh -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
