Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Dan wrote: Just starting to do some windows Client / Server programming. Which would you recommend? I need to create a server to fire events and communicate with clients over a lan. Thanks There are plenty of Python solutions for this, most of them work with Windows, but aren't locked to it. You might want to look at one of these: http://pyro.sourceforge.net/ http://dabodev.com/ See also http://wiki.python.org/moin/DistributedProgramming and http://www.thinkware.se/cgi-bin/thinki.cgi/UsingPythonWithOtherLanguages -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Thanks to all, my main concern about anything Microsoft picks up and runs with is that they vear off just slightly from the standard and freeze everyone else out like they have done with their browser, javascript etc.. etc... etc... So for now I will try to use Python / PythonWin with the COM support. Dan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Dan wrote: Thanks to all, my main concern about anything Microsoft picks up and runs with is that they vear off just slightly from the standard and freeze everyone else out like they have done with their browser, javascript etc.. etc... etc... So for now I will try to use Python / PythonWin with the COM support. Dan I shouldn't think that Jim Hugunin will divert from the standard. In fact he's even been asking on Python-Dev whether they should replicate the bugs in Python 2.4 or stick with the documented behaviour ! Jim is in charge of the project and was the lead developer behind Jython - so he literally knows Python inside out. Anyway - PythoNWin and COM may well be the right approach for your problem anyway. :-) Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Dan wrote: I realise its in beta. But long term, do you think that the win32com, win32gui etc... will have no support because everyone jumps on the Microsoft bandwagon? Aren't the windows support extensions supported primarily by one guy, Mark Hammond? As a developer, this seams to leave me with a vulnerability long term. Thanks for the advise. Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: Well, from what we've seen so far, I'd rather rely on open source software than on proprietary one. An oss project lives as long as someone is willing to maintain it, and anyone can pick it up. And I wouldn't count on every one jumping on MS wagon neither. I find this comment curious, as IronPython *is* an open source software. based on a proprietary runtime (yes, I know, Mono... but there again, there are legal issues to consider). And what will happen when MS discontinue dotnet ??? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IronPython is currently nowhere near production quality. I would not recommend it. I know at least one firm developing production quality software using IronPython, so your statement 'nowhere near' is a bit off. They're pretty close to a full Python 2.4 implementation , and the list of bugs shrinks daily. It's not a project that's about to disappear either. Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
IronPython is currently nowhere near production quality. I would not recommend it. I realise its in beta. But long term, do you think that the win32com, win32gui etc... will have no support because everyone jumps on the Microsoft bandwagon? Aren't the windows support extensions supported primarily by one guy, Mark Hammond? As a developer, this seams to leave me with a vulnerability long term. Thanks for the advise. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Dan a écrit : IronPython is currently nowhere near production quality. I would not recommend it. I realise its in beta. But long term, do you think that the win32com, win32gui etc... will have no support because everyone jumps on the Microsoft bandwagon? Aren't the windows support extensions supported primarily by one guy, Mark Hammond? As a developer, this seams to leave me with a vulnerability long term. Thanks for the advise. Well, from what we've seen so far, I'd rather rely on open source software than on proprietary one. An oss project lives as long as someone is willing to maintain it, and anyone can pick it up. And I wouldn't count on every one jumping on MS wagon neither. Just my cents... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Hi Dan Pythonwin just adds support for specifically MS Windows features, most prominently COM; writing Excel scripts in python is so cool. The standard python distribution for windows runs perfectly on windows. I'm not sure whether this was clear to you or not. Also, Thomas ctypes and comtypes (by Thomas(?) Heller) also allow COM integration, though I don't think it is as complete as the pythonwin support. Also, I think IronPython is also supported by only one guy - Jim Hugunin. The fact that IronPython development is effectively being sponsored by Microsoft doesn't fill me with great expectations either, although it would be a good thing if they really supported it well. rgds Caleb -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Dan wrote: I realise its in beta. But long term, do you think that the win32com, win32gui etc... will have no support because everyone jumps on the Microsoft bandwagon? Aren't the windows support extensions supported primarily by one guy, Mark Hammond? As a developer, this seams to leave me with a vulnerability long term. Thanks for the advise. Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: Well, from what we've seen so far, I'd rather rely on open source software than on proprietary one. An oss project lives as long as someone is willing to maintain it, and anyone can pick it up. And I wouldn't count on every one jumping on MS wagon neither. I find this comment curious, as IronPython *is* an open source software. Even if Microsoft is to stop its development today, anyone can pick up the source and continue. Seo Sanghyeon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Caleb Hattingh wrote: Also, I think IronPython is also supported by only one guy - Jim Hugunin. The fact that IronPython development is effectively being sponsored by Microsoft doesn't fill me with great expectations either, although it would be a good thing if they really supported it well. This is not completely true. IronPython is developed by the IronPython team in Microsoft, not only by Jim Hugunin. From the IronPython mailing list, at least following Microsoft employees are working on IronPython: Jim Hugunin, Dino Viehland, Martin Maly, Haibo Luo. Seo Sanghyeon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Just starting to do some windows Client / Server programming. Which would you recommend? I need to create a server to fire events and communicate with clients over a lan. Thanks -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
IronPython is currently nowhere near production quality. I would not recommend it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IronPython is currently nowhere near production quality. I would not recommend it. But it's so cool. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Butternut squash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IronPython is currently nowhere near production quality. I would not recommend it. But it's so cool. It's cool to have bugs? That really BUGS ME! -- Regards, Casey -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: New development windows, IronPython or PythonWin
Casey Hawthorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Butternut squash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IronPython is currently nowhere near production quality. I would not recommend it. But it's so cool. It's cool to have bugs? That really BUGS ME! You're cool! :-) -- Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. - Qualquer coisa dita em latim soa profundo. - Anything said in Latin sounds smart. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
