Re: OFF-TOPIC Good sig [was Re: What is the "Unpacking Arguments List" rule?]

2018-06-13 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:10 AM Steven D'Aprano
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:43:12 +, Alister via Python-list wrote:
>
> > I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't
> > prove it.
>
> Heh, that reminds me of Stephen Pinker's comment from "Enlightenment Now":
>
> "one cannot reason that there's no such thing as reason"
>
> but on the other hand, Kurt Gödel successfully proved using mathematics
> that (sufficiently powerful) maths is either inconsistent or incomplete,
> and we can never tell which. In a sense, Gödel proved that it is
> impossible to prove *certain* things which are true, or disprove some
> which are false, but we have no way of proving which are which.

I'm not an expert, but my understanding of the Second Incompleteness
Theorem is that a consistent, sufficiently powerful formal system
cannot prove its own consistency. It doesn't mean that we can't prove
it in some other way.
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OFF-TOPIC Good sig [was Re: What is the "Unpacking Arguments List" rule?]

2018-06-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:43:12 +, Alister via Python-list wrote:

> I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't
> prove it.

Heh, that reminds me of Stephen Pinker's comment from "Enlightenment Now":

"one cannot reason that there's no such thing as reason"

but on the other hand, Kurt Gödel successfully proved using mathematics 
that (sufficiently powerful) maths is either inconsistent or incomplete, 
and we can never tell which. In a sense, Gödel proved that it is 
impossible to prove *certain* things which are true, or disprove some 
which are false, but we have no way of proving which are which.



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"Ever since I learned about confirmation bias, I've been seeing
it everywhere." -- Jon Ronson

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