Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
> Really though, these questions are more suited for the wxPython mailing list. Thank you very much for this acclaration :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
On 27 Apr 2005 11:31:00 -0700, dcrespo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong: XRCed doesn't allow to do MDI Parent and Child > frames, but simple apps only. > For what you wouldn't use it? And instead, what would you use instead? > GUI Hand coding? > > Daniel > Looking at the docs, both wx.MDIChildFrame and wx.MDIParentFrame are derived from wx.Frame. So, you *ought* to be able to create a wx.Panel with one of the aforementioned windows as its parent. When wx.Frame is given a single child window, it expands that window to use all of the available client space. Really though, these questions are more suited for the wxPython mailing list. jw -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
Ok, I get the point. So, when a dynamic component comes up, It can be handled importing from an XRC file? I have to develop a complete MDI app, so I'm realizing that I will get ride of hand-coding it. Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
I forgot to mention in my previous post that the best thing in wxPython
is the wxPython demo. It helped me a lot. Browsing through the examples
usually faster than browsing through the api doc.
About XRCed:
I put every static components of the window layout in an xml file with
XRCed
(not static components: buttons moving around, changing labels ...)
Generally my code looks like:
import wx
import wx.xrc
class Frame(wx.Frame):
def __init__(self, parent, resource):
w = resource.LoadFrame(parent, 'FrameName')
self.PostCreate(w)
self.SetIcon(wx.Icon('myapp.ico', wx.BITMAP_TYPE_ICO))
...
#lots of init code here
...
#event handlers here
class App(wx.App):
def OnInit(self):
resource = wx.xrc.XmlResource('myapp.xrc')
self.f = Frame(None, resource)
self.f.Show()
return True
if __name__ == '__main__':
app = App()
app.MainLoop()
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Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
Correct me if I'm wrong: XRCed doesn't allow to do MDI Parent and Child frames, but simple apps only. For what you wouldn't use it? And instead, what would you use instead? GUI Hand coding? Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
On 2005-04-27, dcrespo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you see carefully, that question was for you too, because the reply > is at the same level as the one that says "Aaand: which do you > prefer?" :) You're assuming that everybody's newsreader displays things in the same manner yours does. You're wrong: they don't. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Maybe we could paint at GOLDIE HAWN a rich PRUSSIAN visi.comBLUE -- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > it's not quite true since the latest stable release (2.6.0.0) > > see the new wx doc (it's generated with epydoc so it's not for C++): > http://www.wxpython.org/docs/api/ > > i used wxPython with XRCed a few times and i liked the way it works > (worked under linux and win as well for me) +1. I've had a lot of success with XRCed, but no success with wxGlade. The UI in XRCed needs polish but it's easy enough to use. Also, wxGlade wants to spew generated Python code, while XRCed generates a nice resource file that wx can load easily. Shane -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
it's not quite true since the latest stable release (2.6.0.0) see the new wx doc (it's generated with epydoc so it's not for C++): http://www.wxpython.org/docs/api/ i used wxPython with XRCed a few times and i liked the way it works (worked under linux and win as well for me) nsz -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
On 25 Apr 2005 08:56:23 -0700, dcrespo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all... > > I'm learning both, but at a slow step, so I want to know all the > comments about this subject in this group. Personally, I like pyGTK more because the docs are better. There's nothing I hate more than trying to use an API that's poorly documented, and wxPython's is horrid. The API docs are for C++ with an occasional comment about Python, and the examples are all done with an obsolete API that has since been updated. I've found wxPython very frustrating for these reasons, whereas PyGTK's docs are up-to-date and well done, easy to work with. Maybe the wxPython people think their docs are good, but likely they've forgotten how well they already know the API. They need to take the time to update them. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.digitaltorque.ca http://opag.ca python -c 'import this' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
If you see carefully, that question was for you too, because the reply is at the same level as the one that says "Aaand: which do you prefer?" :) Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
On 2005-04-27, dcrespo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aaand: which do you prefer? Neither particularly. I'm using wxPython because GTK for windows wasn't ready three years ago when I initially had to write my first Windows application. If I evaluated both of them again today, I might choose GTK, and I might not. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! INSIDE, I have the at same personality disorder visi.comas LUCY RICARDO!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
On 2005-04-27, dcrespo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And what did you use for deploying either PyGTK and wxPython? In other > words, what were your workspace and logic of the development? To whom is this question addressed? I suggest you quote properly when replying in order to give your question the context required to answer it. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Am I elected yet? at visi.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
Aaand: which do you prefer? Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
And what did you use for deploying either PyGTK and wxPython? In other words, what were your workspace and logic of the development? Thanks Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
On 2005-04-26, dcrespo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aparently, none of you has tried wxPython recently or properly. Not so. I'm using it currently and have been using it for a couple years now. > wxPython is a cross-platform toolkit. Currently supported platforms are > 32-bit Microsoft Windows, most Unix or unix-like systems, and Macintosh > OS X. Certainly, there may be Linux distributions where it doesn't run > well... I've no idea where that idea came from. It runs just fine on all the Linux distro's I've tried it on. >> The PyGTK is a better choice if you are writing for Linux and >> want your application to also be able to run on windows. > > I want exactly the opossite: my apps must be developed for > running primarly under Windows but also be able to run on > Linux. > > So, tell me PyGTK (with or without Glade/w XML output) or > entirely Python code through wxPython? Truely, what's the best > for CROSS-platform for both Linux and Windows? Not just for > Linux or just for Windows, but for both. Why don't you try them? I've only used PyGTK under Linux, so I can't vouche for it under Windows. Under Linux it worked fine for me. I've used wxPython under Linux and deployed on Windows. Worked fine for me. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! If this is the DATING at GAME I want to know your visi.comFAVORITE PLANET! Do I get th' MICROWAVE MOPED? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
Hi all... Thank you for your answers... wxPython, under Linux, tries to use GTK... A better way to say it is: wxPython uses whatever it needs: under Windows, his API; under Linux, his API (may imply the use of GTK or GNOME), etc... Aparently, none of you has tried wxPython recently or properly. wxPython is a cross-platform toolkit. Currently supported platforms are 32-bit Microsoft Windows, most Unix or unix-like systems, and Macintosh OS X. Certainly, there may be Linux distributions where it doesn't run well... > The PyGTK is a better choice if you are writing for > Linux and want your application to also be able to run on windows. I want exactly the opossite: my apps must be developed for running primarly under Windows but also be able to run on Linux. So, tell me PyGTK (with or without Glade/w XML output) or entirely Python code through wxPython? Truely, what's the best for CROSS-platform for both Linux and Windows? Not just for Linux or just for Windows, but for both. Anyone who had used any a lot? Thanks Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
dcrespo wrote: Hi all... I think wxPython is much better than PyGTK. First of all, PyGTK needs the GTK runtime installed, whereas wxPython is entirely Python's And depending on your platform, wxPython also requires GTK installed. wxWindows is a wrapper for different GUI toolkits. On Windows, it uses the native API. On Linux, it tries to use GTK but fails to work most of the time. wxPython would indeed be a better choice if your applications are only to run on a certain infamous legacy operating system from the Pacific Northwest. The PyGTK is a better choice if you are writing for Linux and want your application to also be able to run on windows. wxWindows is *extremely* buggy on Linux where it is just a poor wrapper for the GTK toolkit. In my experience, most supposedly portable multi platform applications built around wxWindows which are supposed to run on Linux simply don't run at all. Personally, I have no need to write for Windows [or any way to test such code]. I know that the GTK toolkit is available for Windows, and also now for OS X without the need for an X server. Just my $0.02 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
dcrespo wrote: > Hi all... > > I think wxPython is much better than PyGTK. First of all, PyGTK needs > the GTK runtime installed, whereas wxPython is entirely Python's > modules, so It facilitates the apps' distribution. As already mentioned, it is not true. You will still need GTK (on Linux, not on Windows). > Also, PyGTK uses > specific controls or widgets of GTK, while wxPython uses native > controls of the platform where the app is running. Which has both pros and cons. wx unification isn't perfect (i had some problems with drawing that required some workarounds specific to a platform), it also doesn't allow you to really (or at least easy) use platform specific functionality (GTK app can be easily convert to GNOME app). > I'm learning both, but at a slow step, so I want to know all the > comments about this subject in this group. Go to www.pygtk.org, there are many tutorials, faq and other documentation and try it. > I heard about Glade to make the graphic layout of the app and then > export it as XML. Then, it connects to PyGTK. The problem I see is that > What if you want to refer to a state of a specific radiobutton of a > radobutton's group? It seems to be very troublesome. Do not listen, just test it. For me glade is the best way to define user interface. This is the way GUI should be created IMHO. You can access any widget just by calling its name - you will find details in any glade tutorial. > Please, post any comments about the pros and cons of each library, and > the proper way to construct the graphic layout (generating XML through > Glade, or by hand-code). Thanks. I don't have much experience with GTK on Windows, but i really like on Linux, way more then wx. It works great, is well documented (including python specific issues) and possible GNOME integration might be great help. -- Maciej "Fiedzia" Dziardziel (fiedzia (at) fiedzia (dot) prv (dot) pl) www.fiedzia.prv.pl Music is the art of thinking with sounds. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
On 2005-04-25, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: > >> Huh? wxPythonGTK requires GTK runtimes as well: > > He was probably talking about Windows, where wx toolkit uses native > (more or less...) controls. Ah -- I forgot that GTK was an option under Windows. The last time I played with PyGTK was a couple years ago and the Win32 port wasn't done yet. > But then, installing GTK runtime libraries on Windows is a > one-click job, there are automated installers for it. I suppose using native widgets should preserve the look and feel users are used to. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I had a lease on an at OEDIPUS COMPLEX back in visi.com'81... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
Grant Edwards wrote: Huh? wxPythonGTK requires GTK runtimes as well: He was probably talking about Windows, where wx toolkit uses native (more or less...) controls. But then, installing GTK runtime libraries on Windows is a one-click job, there are automated installers for it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2005-04-25, dcrespo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all... I think wxPython is much better than PyGTK. First of all, PyGTK needs the GTK runtime installed, whereas wxPython is entirely Python's modules, Huh? wxPythonGTK requires GTK runtimes as well: Hello, Guess he's talking about windows : http://www.dropline.net/gtk/ You will already have a windowing toolkit on windows - mfc/win32. BTW, I cheated and saw a windows related question from above also same poster ;-) Cheers, Neil -- Neil Benn Senior Automation Engineer Cenix BioScience BioInnovations Zentrum Tatzberg 46 D-01307 Dresden Germany Tel : +49 (0)351 4173 154 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cenix Website : http://www.cenix-bioscience.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyGTK vs. wxPython
On 2005-04-25, dcrespo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all... > > I think wxPython is much better than PyGTK. First of all, PyGTK needs > the GTK runtime installed, whereas wxPython is entirely Python's > modules, Huh? wxPythonGTK requires GTK runtimes as well: $ ldd libwx_gtk2_core-2.5.so> /tmp/foo linux-gate.so.1 => (0xe000) libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x4028d000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4029e000) libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x402a1000) libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x40585000) libatk-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x405fa000) libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x40616000) [...] If you run wxPython on top of some other toolkit, then you'll need that toolkit's runtimes instead of GTK. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Yow! Those people at look exactly like Donnie visi.comand Marie Osmond!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
PyGTK vs. wxPython
Hi all... I think wxPython is much better than PyGTK. First of all, PyGTK needs the GTK runtime installed, whereas wxPython is entirely Python's modules, so It facilitates the apps' distribution. Also, PyGTK uses specific controls or widgets of GTK, while wxPython uses native controls of the platform where the app is running. I'm learning both, but at a slow step, so I want to know all the comments about this subject in this group. I heard about Glade to make the graphic layout of the app and then export it as XML. Then, it connects to PyGTK. The problem I see is that What if you want to refer to a state of a specific radiobutton of a radobutton's group? It seems to be very troublesome. Please, post any comments about the pros and cons of each library, and the proper way to construct the graphic layout (generating XML through Glade, or by hand-code). Thanks. Daniel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
