Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Feb 18)
Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PO) wrote: PO Piet van Oostrum wrote: Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GG) wrote: GG Given this indispensable process and architecture issue, isn't it obvious GG that it's totally irrelevant to the system's overall safety whether the GG compiler has performed the further smattering of semantically puny GG 'verifications' allowed by mandatory-declaration, stating-typing GG languages? - Alex Martelli I couldn't find the original of this. I would like to see it in its context. Googling didn't reveal anything but this Python-URL. PO My google is better than yours then: PO http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2003-March/193864.html Thanks. I probably have searched for mandatory-declaration, static-typing languages instead of mandatory-declaration, stating-typing languages -- Piet van Oostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://pietvanoostrum.com [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Private email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Feb 18)
On Mar 10, 2:33 pm, Piet van Oostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PO) wrote: PO Piet van Oostrum wrote: Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GG) wrote: GG Given this indispensable process and architecture issue, isn't it obvious GG that it's totally irrelevant to the system's overall safety whether the GG compiler has performed the further smattering of semantically puny GG 'verifications' allowed by mandatory-declaration, stating-typing GG languages? - Alex Martelli I've just been at a student conference in Krakow (SFI) where I heard a talk by Gilad Bracha on the problems with Java (and he is in a position to know!). I will write it up in a blog entry, but my two favourite quotes from his talk are: 1. The programs that can be written in languages with static type systems are a subset of all possible programs. For some people this is enough. 2. Mandatory static typing is an inherent security risk. He has a very interesting tale about Java to demonstrate the second point... Michael http://www.manning.com/foord I couldn't find the original of this. I would like to see it in its context. Googling didn't reveal anything but this Python-URL. PO My google is better than yours then: POhttp://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2003-March/193864.html Thanks. I probably have searched for mandatory-declaration, static-typing languages instead of mandatory-declaration, stating-typing languages -- Piet van Oostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://pietvanoostrum.com[PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Private email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: non-sequitur: Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Feb 18)
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:38:59 +0100, Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: My google is better than yours then: Why am I visualizing a face off in a super cheap martial arts movie? Python-style kung fu? And the winner is ... http://google-fight.com/index.php?lang=en_GBword1=Piet+van+Oostrumword2=Peter+Otten regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Feb 18)
Piet van Oostrum wrote: Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GG) wrote: GG Given this indispensable process and architecture issue, isn't it obvious GG that it's totally irrelevant to the system's overall safety whether the GG compiler has performed the further smattering of semantically puny GG 'verifications' allowed by mandatory-declaration, stating-typing GG languages? - Alex Martelli I couldn't find the original of this. I would like to see it in its context. Googling didn't reveal anything but this Python-URL. My google is better than yours then: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2003-March/193864.html Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Feb 18)
Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GG) wrote: GG Given this indispensable process and architecture issue, isn't it obvious GG that it's totally irrelevant to the system's overall safety whether the GG compiler has performed the further smattering of semantically puny GG 'verifications' allowed by mandatory-declaration, stating-typing GG languages? - Alex Martelli I couldn't find the original of this. I would like to see it in its context. Googling didn't reveal anything but this Python-URL. -- Piet van Oostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://pietvanoostrum.com [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Private email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Feb 18)
QOTW: Syntax can be, and has been, interoperable. The definitions of the telephone network, the Internet, email, and the Web are all bits-on-the-wire definitions of what you send back and forth, and they've all worked well enough to change the world. This belief that bits-on-the-wire is more important than data structures or APIs is at the center of my world view. - Tim Bray, author of, for example, What is RDF Given this indispensable process and architecture issue, isn't it obvious that it's totally irrelevant to the system's overall safety whether the compiler has performed the further smattering of semantically puny 'verifications' allowed by mandatory-declaration, stating-typing languages? - Alex Martelli A problem with itertools.groupby: groups apparently were being emptied before use: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/f98e52fede997731/ Should __doubleunderscore__ names be defined by a programmer? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/999b15a600da5086/ Floating point numbers, Decimals, the upcoming Fraction type (rational) and their limitations: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/50e0e3f948eb94a6/ Also inf and nan support: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/3fd33cf86a563d6c/ Very simple RSS/Atom generators: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6ac9d6ecb4c09128/ Looking for replacements to C's __FILE__ and __LINE__ macros: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/34f3ef011e3484a Regular expression for prime numbers (?!) http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/b30c697cbe5f6b82/ Notes on how Python manages memory: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/4f906397187a88b9/ The longest thread this week is absolutely off topic, and started two weeks ago: the speed of light, archery as an esoteric knowledge, is pound a unit of mass?, wavicles...: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/8c7c359b600881e0/f84617b03f0ddfc1 Everything Python-related you want is probably one or two clicks away in these pages: Python.org's Python Language Website is the traditional center of Pythonia http://www.python.org Notice especially the master FAQ http://www.python.org/doc/FAQ.html PythonWare complements the digest you're reading with the marvelous daily python url http://www.pythonware.com/daily Mygale is a news-gathering webcrawler that specializes in (new) World-Wide Web articles related to Python. http://www.awaretek.com/nowak/mygale.html While cosmetically similar, Mygale and the Daily Python-URL are utterly different in their technologies and generally in their results. Just beginning with Python? This page is a great place to start: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers The Python Papers aims to publish the efforts of Python enthusiats: http://pythonpapers.org/ The Python Magazine is a technical monthly devoted to Python: http://pythonmagazine.com Readers have recommended the Planet sites: http://planetpython.org http://planet.python.org comp.lang.python.announce announces new Python software. Be sure to scan this newsgroup weekly. http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djqas_ugroup=comp.lang.python.announce Python411 indexes podcasts ... to help people learn Python ... Updates appear more-than-weekly: http://www.awaretek.com/python/index.html Steve Bethard continues the marvelous tradition early borne by Andrew Kuchling, Michael Hudson, Brett Cannon, Tony Meyer, and Tim Lesher of intelligently summarizing action on the python-dev mailing list once every other week. http://www.python.org/dev/summary/ The Python Package Index catalogues packages. http://www.python.org/pypi/ The somewhat older Vaults of Parnassus ambitiously collects references to all sorts of Python resources. http://www.vex.net/~x/parnassus/ Much of Python's real work takes place on Special-Interest Group mailing lists http://www.python.org/sigs/ Python Success Stories--from air-traffic control to on-line match-making--can inspire you or decision-makers to whom you're subject with a vision of what the language makes practical. http://www.pythonology.com/success The Python Software Foundation (PSF) has replaced the Python Consortium as an independent nexus of activity. It has official responsibility for Python's development and
Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Feb 18)
QOTW: Syntax can be, and has been, interoperable. The definitions of the telephone network, the Internet, email, and the Web are all bits-on-the-wire definitions of what you send back and forth, and they've all worked well enough to change the world. This belief that bits-on-the-wire is more important than data structures or APIs is at the center of my world view. - Tim Bray, author of, for example, What is RDF Given this indispensable process and architecture issue, isn't it obvious that it's totally irrelevant to the system's overall safety whether the compiler has performed the further smattering of semantically puny 'verifications' allowed by mandatory-declaration, stating-typing languages? - Alex Martelli A problem with itertools.groupby: groups apparently were being emptied before use: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/f98e52fede997731/ Should __doubleunderscore__ names be defined by a programmer? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/999b15a600da5086/ Floating point numbers, Decimals, the upcoming Fraction type (rational) and their limitations: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/50e0e3f948eb94a6/ Also inf and nan support: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/3fd33cf86a563d6c/ Very simple RSS/Atom generators: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6ac9d6ecb4c09128/ Looking for replacements to C's __FILE__ and __LINE__ macros: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/34f3ef011e3484a Regular expression for prime numbers (?!) http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/b30c697cbe5f6b82/ Notes on how Python manages memory: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/4f906397187a88b9/ The longest thread this week is absolutely off topic, and started two weeks ago: the speed of light, archery as an esoteric knowledge, is pound a unit of mass?, wavicles...: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/8c7c359b600881e0/f84617b03f0ddfc1 Everything Python-related you want is probably one or two clicks away in these pages: Python.org's Python Language Website is the traditional center of Pythonia http://www.python.org Notice especially the master FAQ http://www.python.org/doc/FAQ.html PythonWare complements the digest you're reading with the marvelous daily python url http://www.pythonware.com/daily Mygale is a news-gathering webcrawler that specializes in (new) World-Wide Web articles related to Python. http://www.awaretek.com/nowak/mygale.html While cosmetically similar, Mygale and the Daily Python-URL are utterly different in their technologies and generally in their results. Just beginning with Python? This page is a great place to start: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers The Python Papers aims to publish the efforts of Python enthusiats: http://pythonpapers.org/ The Python Magazine is a technical monthly devoted to Python: http://pythonmagazine.com Readers have recommended the Planet sites: http://planetpython.org http://planet.python.org comp.lang.python.announce announces new Python software. Be sure to scan this newsgroup weekly. http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djqas_ugroup=comp.lang.python.announce Python411 indexes podcasts ... to help people learn Python ... Updates appear more-than-weekly: http://www.awaretek.com/python/index.html Steve Bethard continues the marvelous tradition early borne by Andrew Kuchling, Michael Hudson, Brett Cannon, Tony Meyer, and Tim Lesher of intelligently summarizing action on the python-dev mailing list once every other week. http://www.python.org/dev/summary/ The Python Package Index catalogues packages. http://www.python.org/pypi/ The somewhat older Vaults of Parnassus ambitiously collects references to all sorts of Python resources. http://www.vex.net/~x/parnassus/ Much of Python's real work takes place on Special-Interest Group mailing lists http://www.python.org/sigs/ Python Success Stories--from air-traffic control to on-line match-making--can inspire you or decision-makers to whom you're subject with a vision of what the language makes practical. http://www.pythonology.com/success The Python Software Foundation (PSF) has replaced the Python Consortium as an independent nexus of activity. It has official responsibility for Python's development and
