Re: Python 2.7 released
On 08/07/2010 03:17, imageguy wrote: I, too, have multiple versions installed -- newer ones for running code I haven't upgraded; older ones for compatibility testing where needed. I just install to the default c:\pythonxy directories (although I like the idea of a common root) and I put NTFS hardlinks into my general c:\tools directory which is on the path. The out-of-context hardlinks work because of the registry settings which pick up the correct context for each version. Sorry to be daft here, but what do you mean by a hardlink ? A windows Shortcut ? I have just installed 2.7 and want to start upgrading some code, but alas still want to maintain some 2.5 code too. Hardlinks have always been present on NTFS, just not very widely advertised. They are a way of saying that *this* file and *that* file are actually the *same* file. (They must be on the same volume as they underlying implementation relies on pointing to the volume's master index -- the MFT). They're not copies: if one changes, the other changes. They're not shortcuts, which are a Shell (ie Desktop) mechanism, not a filesystem one I have hardlinks called python26.exe, python31.exe, etc. which point to c:\python26\python.exe, c:\python31\python.exe etc. and also a python3.exe which is another link to c:\python31\python.exe but which will move when python 3.2 is released. However, this is simply a convenience I use. It's perfectly possible to have and to use several versions of Python concurrently without this. How you do it depends on your working practice: whether you use an IDE or double-click on .py files or run from a cmd window, etc. TJG -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
In article 1450078b-d5ee-437f-bd8b-8da26900f...@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, imageguy imageguy1...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to be daft here, but what do you mean by a hardlink ? A windows Shortcut ? Just to be clear, a hardlink on NTFS functions almost exactly the same as a hardlink on a Unix filesystem -- it's a pointer to the same underlying file. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Normal is what cuts off your sixth finger and your tail... --Siobhan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On 2010-07-08, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: In article 1450078b-d5ee-437f-bd8b-8da26900f...@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, imageguy imageguy1...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to be daft here, but what do you mean by a hardlink ? A windows Shortcut ? Just to be clear, a hardlink on NTFS functions almost exactly the same as a hardlink on a Unix filesystem -- it's a pointer to the same underlying file. A windows shortcut is more like a Unix symlink (symbolic link), where the real destination path is a string contained in the link/shortcut file. That destination path is then evaluated and dereferenced when the link/shortcut is accessed. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Of course, you at UNDERSTAND about the PLAIDS gmail.comin the SPIN CYCLE -- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On 7/8/10 8:07 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-07-08, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: In article 1450078b-d5ee-437f-bd8b-8da26900f...@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, imageguy imageguy1...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to be daft here, but what do you mean by a hardlink ? A windows Shortcut ? Just to be clear, a hardlink on NTFS functions almost exactly the same as a hardlink on a Unix filesystem -- it's a pointer to the same underlying file. A windows shortcut is more like a Unix symlink (symbolic link), where the real destination path is a string contained in the link/shortcut file. That destination path is then evaluated and dereferenced when the link/shortcut is accessed. This is true, but a windows shortcut is more limited: its a feature of higher level code in the UI (I don't want to say just Explorer, as the standard dialogs deal with it too), and not the filesystem. So it only really works if there's a user specifically clicking through it -- or if you have code made to look for the .lnk files, parse them (they're really simple INI files) and deference it manually. At least, IIUC. -- Stephen Hansen ... Also: Ixokai ... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io ... Blog: http://meh.ixokai.io/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On 08/07/2010 16:07, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-07-08, Aahza...@pythoncraft.com wrote: In article1450078b-d5ee-437f-bd8b-8da26900f...@x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, imageguyimageguy1...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to be daft here, but what do you mean by a hardlink ? A windows Shortcut ? Just to be clear, a hardlink on NTFS functions almost exactly the same as a hardlink on a Unix filesystem -- it's a pointer to the same underlying file. A windows shortcut is more like a Unix symlink (symbolic link), where the real destination path is a string contained in the link/shortcut file. That destination path is then evaluated and dereferenced when the link/shortcut is accessed. Goodness knows I'm probably teaching my grandmother etc. etc. but I would clarify that a Windows shortcut is a *shell* concept: from the NTFS point of view, it's just a something.lnk with some opaque contents. A (= Vista) NTFS smbolic link is documented as designed to function just like Unix links. TJG -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
I, too, have multiple versions installed -- newer ones for running code I haven't upgraded; older ones for compatibility testing where needed. I just install to the default c:\pythonxy directories (although I like the idea of a common root) and I put NTFS hardlinks into my general c:\tools directory which is on the path. The out-of-context hardlinks work because of the registry settings which pick up the correct context for each version. Sorry to be daft here, but what do you mean by a hardlink ? A windows Shortcut ? I have just installed 2.7 and want to start upgrading some code, but alas still want to maintain some 2.5 code too. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
Am 08.07.2010 04:17, schrieb imageguy: I, too, have multiple versions installed -- newer ones for running code I haven't upgraded; older ones for compatibility testing where needed. I just install to the default c:\pythonxy directories (although I like the idea of a common root) and I put NTFS hardlinks into my general c:\tools directory which is on the path. The out-of-context hardlinks work because of the registry settings which pick up the correct context for each version. Sorry to be daft here, but what do you mean by a hardlink ? A windows Shortcut ? No, he means a hardlink (file system level directory entries pointing to the same MFT record number), as created by fsutil hardlink, mklink /H, or Cygwin ln. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
Martineau ggrp2.20.martin...@dfgh.net writes: Some clarification. I meant installed 2.7 on top of 2.6.x. Doing so would have interfered with the currently installed version because I always install Python in the same directory, one named just Python, to minimize the number of changes I have to make to to other parts of the system. That's fine, you're just making a conscious choice to only support (yourself) a single version installed at a time. I tend to need multiple versions around when developing, so I keep a bunch of versions all installed in separate directories as \Python\x.y (so I only have a single root directory). With 2.7, my current box has 6 Python interpreters (2.4-3.1) installed at the moment. I use Cygwin (wouldn't try to work on a Windows system without it), so just use bash aliases to execute the right interpreter, but a batch file could be used with the cmd interpreter, and you could link GUI shortcuts to that batch file. Not sure there's a good solution to your help file link, other than the existing Start menu links installed per Python version. Even with local links you'd probably want separate links per version anyway since they're different documents. Of course, since this started by just considering installing it to get at a single file (which I know was since solved), it's probably an acceptable use case for violating your standard policy and picking a different directory name just in this case, and then blowing it away later. :-) I also believe the Windows installer makes registry changes that also involve paths to the currently installed version, which again, is something I wanted to avoid until I'm actually ready to commit to upgrading. The path information installed in the registry (Software\Python\PythonCore under HLKM or HKCU depending on installation options) is structured according to major.minor release (e.g., 2.6 vs. 2.7 are distinct), but you're right Windows only supports one file extension mapping, so by default the last Python to be installed gets associated with .py/.pyw etc... by default. But you can optionally disable this during installation. On the customize screen showing during installation. de-select the Register Extensions option, and the active install won't change any existing mappings and thus have no impact on your current default installation. If there are better ways on Windows to accomplish this, I'd like to hear about them. I suppose I could use hardlinks or junctions but they're not well supported on most versions of Windows. If you're still using the basic Windows command prompt or GUI links then a batch file is the simplest way to go. With something like Cygwin (which I personally would never do without), then you have a variety of techniques available including links, shell aliases, etc... -- David -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On 06/07/2010 07:06, David Bolen wrote: I tend to need multiple versions around when developing, so I keep a bunch of versions all installed in separate directories as \Python\x.y (so I only have a single root directory). With 2.7, my current box has 6 Python interpreters (2.4-3.1) installed at the moment. I use Cygwin (wouldn't try to work on a Windows system without it), so just use bash aliases to execute the right interpreter, but a batch file could be used with the cmd interpreter, and you could link GUI shortcuts to that batch file. I, too, have multiple versions installed -- newer ones for running code I haven't upgraded; older ones for compatibility testing where needed. I just install to the default c:\pythonxy directories (although I like the idea of a common root) and I put NTFS hardlinks into my general c:\tools directory which is on the path. The out-of-context hardlinks work because of the registry settings which pick up the correct context for each version. (I've never quite clicked with cygwin or MingW despite giving them several goes on the basis of others' enthusiasm...) TJG -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 7:58 PM, John Machin sjmac...@lexicon.net wrote: On Jul 5, 12:27 pm, Martineau ggrp2.20.martin...@dfgh.net wrote: On Jul 4, 8:34 am, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm jocund to announce the second release candidate of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 will be the last major version in the 2.x series. However, it will also have an extended period of bugfix maintenance. 2.7 includes many features that were first released in Python 3.1. The faster io module, the new nested with statement syntax, improved float repr, set literals, dictionary views, and the memoryview object have been backported from 3.1. Other features include an ordered dictionary implementation, unittests improvements, a new sysconfig module, auto-numbering of fields in the str/unicode format method, and support for ttk Tile in Tkinter. For a more extensive list of changes in 2.7, seehttp://doc.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.htmlorMisc/NEWS in the Python distribution. To download Python 2.7 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ 2.7 documentation can be found at: http://docs.python.org/2.7/ This is a production release and should be suitable for all libraries and applications. Please report any bugs you find, so they can be fixed in the next maintenance releases. The bug tracker is at: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! -- Benjamin Peterson Release Manager benjamin at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 2.7's contributors) Benjamin (or anyone else), do you know where I can get the Compiled Windows Help file -- python27.chm -- for this release? In the past I've been able to download it from the Python web site, but have been unable to locate it anywhere for this new release. I can't build it myself because I don't have the Microsoft HTML help file compiler. Thanks in advance. If you have a Windows box, download the .msi installer for Python 2.7 and install it. The chm file will be in C:\Python27\Doc (if you choose the default installation directory). Otherwise ask a friendly local Windows user for a copy. -- Or you can just use 7-zip or cabextract on the MSi. Saves you from having to uninstall it later, and it works on non-Windows machines. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On Jul 5, 1:12 am, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 7:58 PM, John Machin sjmac...@lexicon.net wrote: On Jul 5, 12:27 pm, Martineau ggrp2.20.martin...@dfgh.net wrote: On Jul 4, 8:34 am, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm jocund to announce the second release candidate of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 will be the last major version in the 2.x series. However, it will also have an extended period of bugfix maintenance. 2.7 includes many features that were first released in Python 3.1. The faster io module, the new nested with statement syntax, improved float repr, set literals, dictionary views, and the memoryview object have been backported from 3.1. Other features include an ordered dictionary implementation, unittests improvements, a new sysconfig module, auto-numbering of fields in the str/unicode format method, and support for ttk Tile in Tkinter. For a more extensive list of changes in 2.7, seehttp://doc.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.htmlorMisc/NEWSin the Python distribution. To download Python 2.7 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ 2.7 documentation can be found at: http://docs.python.org/2.7/ This is a production release and should be suitable for all libraries and applications. Please report any bugs you find, so they can be fixed in the next maintenance releases. The bug tracker is at: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! -- Benjamin Peterson Release Manager benjamin at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 2.7's contributors) Benjamin (or anyone else), do you know where I can get the Compiled Windows Help file -- python27.chm -- for this release? In the past I've been able to download it from the Python web site, but have been unable to locate it anywhere for this new release. I can't build it myself because I don't have the Microsoft HTML help file compiler. Thanks in advance. If you have a Windows box, download the .msi installer for Python 2.7 and install it. The chm file will be in C:\Python27\Doc (if you choose the default installation directory). Otherwise ask a friendly local Windows user for a copy. -- Or you can just use 7-zip or cabextract on the MSi. Saves you from having to uninstall it later, and it works on non-Windows machines. Perhaps it's hidden somewhere, but I couldn't find the .chm help file in the python-2.7.msi file using 7-zip, nor saw anything that looked like a Doc folder embedded within it -- so I doubt installing it on a Windows machine would work any better. I'd like to view the contents of the help file without actually installing the release which would wipe out any currently installed version (I'm one of those rare people who actually reads manuals *before* using or installing most things.) So my original question stands -- where can one get the Windows Help file for v2.7? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
Martineau wrote: Perhaps it's hidden somewhere, but I couldn't find the .chm help file in the python-2.7.msi file using 7-zip, nor saw anything that looked like a Doc folder embedded within it -- so I doubt installing it on a Windows machine would work any better. I don't know much about the .msi format or how 7-Zip handles it, but on my XP box, 7-Zip lists a python sub-archive (a 7-Zip compound). Within is the python27.chm -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:59:00 -0700, Martineau wrote: I'd like to view the contents of the help file without actually installing the release which would wipe out any currently installed version (I'm one of those rare people who actually reads manuals *before* using or installing most things.) When you say wipe out any currently installed version, do you mean an older version of 2.7, or an older version such as 2.6, 2.5, 2.4, ... ? If the first, I don't know of any simple way to keep multiple installations with the same major and minor version number (e.g. 2.7.0a and 2.7.0.b). Sorry. But if you mean the second, that you don't want to over-write 2.6, I'd be shocked if the Python installer does that. Doesn't it install Python to something like C:\Programs\Pythonversion ? Performing a source install under Linux, by default existing versions remain in place, but there's a soft link python which points to the most recent version. Doing a regular install over-writes the soft link. But there's an altinstall option which leaves the link untouched, so (for example) I have python - python 2.5 while still having other versions installed and accessible directly with python2.6, python2.4 etc. I would be stunned if Windows didn't support an equivalent to altinstall. Are there any Windows users out there who can confirm that the installer does or doesn't leave existing versions in place? -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:59:00 -0700, Martineau wrote: I'd like to view the contents of the help file without actually installing the release which would wipe out any currently installed version (I'm one of those rare people who actually reads manuals *before* using or installing most things.) ... Are there any Windows users out there who can confirm that the installer does or doesn't leave existing versions in place? The installer does leave existing versions in place. I have no idea what the OP is referring to. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On Jul 5, 1:31 pm, Alexander Kapps alex.ka...@web.de wrote: Martineau wrote: Perhaps it's hidden somewhere, but I couldn't find the .chm help file in the python-2.7.msi file using 7-zip, nor saw anything that looked like a Doc folder embedded within it -- so I doubt installing it on a Windows machine would work any better. I don't know much about the .msi format or how 7-Zip handles it, but on my XP box, 7-Zip lists a python sub-archive (a 7-Zip compound). Within is the python27.chm My mistake -- you're quite right the .chm *is* in the .msi where you indicated. FWIW I actually did look in that sub-section before posting yet somehow missed it. Sorry about that and thanks to all involved for your help. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On Jul 5, 5:53 pm, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Steven D'Apranost...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:59:00 -0700, Martineau wrote: I'd like to view the contents of the help file without actually installing the release which would wipe out any currently installed version (I'm one of those rare people who actually reads manuals *before* using or installing most things.) ... Are there any Windows users out there who can confirm that the installer does or doesn't leave existing versions in place? The installer does leave existing versions in place. I have no idea what the OP is referring to. Some clarification. I meant installed 2.7 on top of 2.6.x. Doing so would have interfered with the currently installed version because I always install Python in the same directory, one named just Python, to minimize the number of changes I have to make to to other parts of the system. Some trivial examples are desktop shortcuts I've set up which point to the commandline version of the interpreter and another for the help file. I also believe the Windows installer makes registry changes that also involve paths to the currently installed version, which again, is something I wanted to avoid until I'm actually ready to commit to upgrading. If there are better ways on Windows to accomplish this, I'd like to hear about them. I suppose I could use hardlinks or junctions but they're not well supported on most versions of Windows. BTW, my original problem -- getting a copy of the Windows format compiled help file fro v2/7 without installing it has been taken care by suggestions from other, so this discussion is starting to way off- topic... Thanks, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
Benjamin (or anyone else), do you know where I can get the Compiled Windows Help file -- python27.chm -- for this release? I have now put that file separately on the release page. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[RELEASE] Python 2.7 released
On behalf of the Python development team, I'm jocund to announce the second release candidate of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 will be the last major version in the 2.x series. However, it will also have an extended period of bugfix maintenance. 2.7 includes many features that were first released in Python 3.1. The faster io module, the new nested with statement syntax, improved float repr, set literals, dictionary views, and the memoryview object have been backported from 3.1. Other features include an ordered dictionary implementation, unittests improvements, a new sysconfig module, auto-numbering of fields in the str/unicode format method, and support for ttk Tile in Tkinter. For a more extensive list of changes in 2.7, see http://doc.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.html or Misc/NEWS in the Python distribution. To download Python 2.7 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ 2.7 documentation can be found at: http://docs.python.org/2.7/ This is a production release and should be suitable for all libraries and applications. Please report any bugs you find, so they can be fixed in the next maintenance releases. The bug tracker is at: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! -- Benjamin Peterson Release Manager benjamin at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 2.7's contributors) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
Re: [RELEASE] Python 2.7 released
2010/7/4 Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm jocund to announce the second release candidate of Python 2.7. Arg!!! This should, of course, be final release. -- Regards, Benjamin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/
[RELEASE] Python 2.7 released
On behalf of the Python development team, I'm jocund to announce the second release candidate of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 will be the last major version in the 2.x series. However, it will also have an extended period of bugfix maintenance. 2.7 includes many features that were first released in Python 3.1. The faster io module, the new nested with statement syntax, improved float repr, set literals, dictionary views, and the memoryview object have been backported from 3.1. Other features include an ordered dictionary implementation, unittests improvements, a new sysconfig module, auto-numbering of fields in the str/unicode format method, and support for ttk Tile in Tkinter. For a more extensive list of changes in 2.7, see http://doc.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.html or Misc/NEWS in the Python distribution. To download Python 2.7 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ 2.7 documentation can be found at: http://docs.python.org/2.7/ This is a production release and should be suitable for all libraries and applications. Please report any bugs you find, so they can be fixed in the next maintenance releases. The bug tracker is at: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! -- Benjamin Peterson Release Manager benjamin at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 2.7's contributors) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [RELEASE] Python 2.7 released
2010/7/4 Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm jocund to announce the second release candidate of Python 2.7. Arg!!! This should, of course, be final release. -- Regards, Benjamin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On Jul 4, 8:34 am, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm jocund to announce the second release candidate of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 will be the last major version in the 2.x series. However, it will also have an extended period of bugfix maintenance. 2.7 includes many features that were first released in Python 3.1. The faster io module, the new nested with statement syntax, improved float repr, set literals, dictionary views, and the memoryview object have been backported from 3.1. Other features include an ordered dictionary implementation, unittests improvements, a new sysconfig module, auto-numbering of fields in the str/unicode format method, and support for ttk Tile in Tkinter. For a more extensive list of changes in 2.7, seehttp://doc.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.htmlor Misc/NEWS in the Python distribution. To download Python 2.7 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ 2.7 documentation can be found at: http://docs.python.org/2.7/ This is a production release and should be suitable for all libraries and applications. Please report any bugs you find, so they can be fixed in the next maintenance releases. The bug tracker is at: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! -- Benjamin Peterson Release Manager benjamin at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 2.7's contributors) Benjamin (or anyone else), do you know where I can get the Compiled Windows Help file -- python27.chm -- for this release? In the past I've been able to download it from the Python web site, but have been unable to locate it anywhere for this new release. I can't build it myself because I don't have the Microsoft HTML help file compiler. Thanks in advance. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python 2.7 released
On Jul 5, 12:27 pm, Martineau ggrp2.20.martin...@dfgh.net wrote: On Jul 4, 8:34 am, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm jocund to announce the second release candidate of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 will be the last major version in the 2.x series. However, it will also have an extended period of bugfix maintenance. 2.7 includes many features that were first released in Python 3.1. The faster io module, the new nested with statement syntax, improved float repr, set literals, dictionary views, and the memoryview object have been backported from 3.1. Other features include an ordered dictionary implementation, unittests improvements, a new sysconfig module, auto-numbering of fields in the str/unicode format method, and support for ttk Tile in Tkinter. For a more extensive list of changes in 2.7, seehttp://doc.python.org/dev/whatsnew/2.7.htmlorMisc/NEWS in the Python distribution. To download Python 2.7 visit: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/ 2.7 documentation can be found at: http://docs.python.org/2.7/ This is a production release and should be suitable for all libraries and applications. Please report any bugs you find, so they can be fixed in the next maintenance releases. The bug tracker is at: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! -- Benjamin Peterson Release Manager benjamin at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 2.7's contributors) Benjamin (or anyone else), do you know where I can get the Compiled Windows Help file -- python27.chm -- for this release? In the past I've been able to download it from the Python web site, but have been unable to locate it anywhere for this new release. I can't build it myself because I don't have the Microsoft HTML help file compiler. Thanks in advance. If you have a Windows box, download the .msi installer for Python 2.7 and install it. The chm file will be in C:\Python27\Doc (if you choose the default installation directory). Otherwise ask a friendly local Windows user for a copy. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list