Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-09 Thread Stephen Hansen
On 2/8/11 8:00 PM, Vivek Shrivastava wrote:
 I think that will help people like me who just depend on gmail, and I
 know there are various ways to do filtering in gmail, but just addition
 of the tag in [ ] will help avoiding those.. I kindly second that..

.. yeah, no.

Let's not screw up everyone's life to help those who are using _Gmail_
who don't want to take advantage of Gmail's capability to PERFECTLY
filter the group into a folder without it.

You /just/ depend on Gmail? You want to infringe on everyone else so...
you can... _avoid_ er, using your client to sort your mails into a
folder/label? Gee, thanks, no.

Click on this message.

There's this Show Details button that appears at the top of it. Click
that.

Then there's this line that says mailing list, followed by
python-list.python.org

Then there's this super easy link added right next that you can click.

Voila, it fills out everything you need have just Gmail, depend just on
Gmail, and sort your messages in a very usable way, without screwing
with everyone else and stealing away their valuable horizontal space.

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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-09 Thread Stephen Hansen
On 2/9/11 12:36 AM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
 .. yeah, no.

Okay, I actually have to apologize for the tone of this message.

It was late and I was a jerk. I could have just been helpful without
including the jerk, but something about it set me off. So the helpful
and the jerk got mixed in together.

Sorry!

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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-09 Thread Kushal Kumaran
- Original message -
 On 2011-02-08, przemol...@poczta.fm przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:
 
  I have just subscribed to this python-list@ and this is my N list.
  Usually many mailing lists use square brackets to identify its name
  when you have e-mails from different forums.
  Would you consider adding [] to this list also ?
 
 Please don't.
 
   1) It's redundant.   There are already header lines to identify the
         fact that the message is from the python mailing list.
 
   2) A lot of subscribers read the list in its own mailbox or newsgroup
         (e.g. via gmane.org), so identifying the list in the subject would
         just be a waste of pixels.
 
   3) If you want to add stuff to the subject line for your own use,
         it's trivial with something like procmail.
         

4) Some of us like to read email on our phones and like to use the limited 
horizontal space for actual content.

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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread Ben Finney
przemol...@poczta.fm writes:

 I have just subscribed to this python-list@ and this is my N list.
 Usually many mailing lists use square brackets to identify its name
 when you have e-mails from different forums.
 Would you consider adding [] to this list also ?

No thank you.

Either your mail client already knows how to filter messages
appropriately depending on which mailing list they came from; or, you
should use a better mail client.

Either way, please don't ask for the subject lines to be munged.

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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread Peter Otten
przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:

 I have just subscribed to this python-list@ and this is my N list.
 Usually many mailing lists use square brackets to identify its name
 when you have e-mails from different forums.
 Would you consider adding [] to this list also ?

A better approach is to configure your email client to move mails with 

List-Id: python-list.python.org

into a separate folder.
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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread przemolicc
On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 10:16:42PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
 przemol...@poczta.fm writes:
 
  I have just subscribed to this python-list@ and this is my N list.
  Usually many mailing lists use square brackets to identify its name
  when you have e-mails from different forums.
  Would you consider adding [] to this list also ?
 
 No thank you.
 
 Either your mail client already knows how to filter messages
 appropriately depending on which mailing list they came from; or, you
 should use a better mail client.

mutt is quite good ;-)

 Either way, please don't ask for the subject lines to be munged.

Any technical reason why not ?

Regards
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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread Ethan Furman

przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:

On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 10:16:42PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:

Would you consider adding [] to this list also ?



No thank you.



Any technical reason why not ?



Nope.  Just don't care for it.  For those of us who have our e-mails 
automatically sorted into folders, having [python-list] in the subject 
line would be incredibly redundant.  Also, it's a waste of horizontal space.


I believe you could use a mail preprocessor, like Fetchmail or Procmail, 
to modify your e-mails before you receive them, though.


Good luck!

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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread Ben Finney
przemol...@poczta.fm writes:

 On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 10:16:42PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
  Either way, please don't ask for the subject lines to be munged.

 Any technical reason why not ?

No technical reason to my knowledge; but then, I haven't looked for one.
The reason of “don't mess with it if it isn't broken” is sufficient.

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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread Rhodri James

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:18:50 -, przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:


On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 10:16:42PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:

przemol...@poczta.fm writes:

 I have just subscribed to this python-list@ and this is my N list.
 Usually many mailing lists use square brackets to identify its name
 when you have e-mails from different forums.
 Would you consider adding [] to this list also ?

No thank you.

Either your mail client already knows how to filter messages
appropriately depending on which mailing list they came from; or, you
should use a better mail client.


mutt is quite good ;-)


Definitely a step up from Outlook :-)


Either way, please don't ask for the subject lines to be munged.


Any technical reason why not ?


python-list reflects and is reflected by the comp.lang.python newsgroup  
(and gmane, etc).  People on the newsgroup side won't add [tags] for you,  
and won't thank you for breaking the minimal threading that can be  
inferred from titles if the list reflector adds stuff unexpectedly.


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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-02-08, przemol...@poczta.fm przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:

 I have just subscribed to this python-list@ and this is my N list.
 Usually many mailing lists use square brackets to identify its name
 when you have e-mails from different forums.
 Would you consider adding [] to this list also ?

Please don't.

 1) It's redundant.  There are already header lines to identify the
fact that the message is from the python mailing list.

 2) A lot of subscribers read the list in its own mailbox or newsgroup
(e.g. via gmane.org), so identifying the list in the subject would
just be a waste of pixels.

 3) If you want to add stuff to the subject line for your own use,
it's trivial with something like procmail.

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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread David Robinow
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Rhodri James
rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
 On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:18:50 -, przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 10:16:42PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
 Either your mail client already knows how to filter messages
 appropriately depending on which mailing list they came from; or, you
 should use a better mail client.

 mutt is quite good ;-)

 Definitely a step up from Outlook :-)
Not sure what your beef with Outlook is, but it does know how to
filter messages appropriately.
[I've never used mutt.]
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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread Rhodri James
On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 01:59:46 -, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com  
wrote:



On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Rhodri James
rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:18:50 -, przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:

On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 10:16:42PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:

Either your mail client already knows how to filter messages
appropriately depending on which mailing list they came from; or, you
should use a better mail client.


mutt is quite good ;-)


Definitely a step up from Outlook :-)

Not sure what your beef with Outlook is, but it does know how to
filter messages appropriately.
[I've never used mutt.]


Nor have I, but according to the manual it can handle mailing lists
perfectly well.  mutt has been around for a while.

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Re: [python-list] - what do you think ?

2011-02-08 Thread Vivek Shrivastava
I think that will help people like me who just depend on gmail, and I know
there are various ways to do filtering in gmail, but just addition of the
tag in [ ] will help avoiding those.. I kindly second that...

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.ukwrote:

 On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 01:59:46 -, David Robinow drobi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Rhodri James
 rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:

 On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:18:50 -, przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 10:16:42PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:

 Either your mail client already knows how to filter messages
 appropriately depending on which mailing list they came from; or, you
 should use a better mail client.


 mutt is quite good ;-)


 Definitely a step up from Outlook :-)

 Not sure what your beef with Outlook is, but it does know how to

 filter messages appropriately.
 [I've never used mutt.]


 Nor have I, but according to the manual it can handle mailing lists
 perfectly well.  mutt has been around for a while.


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