Re: Don't feed the troll... (was: Re: A few questiosn about encoding)
On 14 Jun 2013 10:20, Heiko Wundram modeln...@modelnine.org wrote: Am 14.06.2013 10:37, schrieb Nick the Gr33k: So everything we see like: 16474 nikos abc123 everything is a string and nothing is a number? not even number 1? Come on now, this is _so_ obviously trolling, it's not even remotely funny anymore. Why doesn't killfiling work with the mailing list version of the python list? :-( I have skimmed the archives for this month, and I estimate that a third of this month's activity on this list was helping this person. About 80% of that is wasted in explaining basic concepts he refuses to read in links given to him. A depressingly large number of replies to his posts are seemingly ignored. Since this is a lot of spam, I feel like leaving the list, but I also honestly want to help people use python and the replies to questions of others often give me much insight on several matters. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Don't feed the troll... (was: Re: A few questiosn about encoding)
On Jun 14, 3:20 pm, Fábio Santos fabiosantos...@gmail.com wrote: Come on now, this is _so_ obviously trolling, it's not even remotely funny anymore. Why doesn't killfiling work with the mailing list version of the python list? :-( I have skimmed the archives for this month, and I estimate that a third of this month's activity on this list was helping this person. About 80% of that is wasted in explaining basic concepts he refuses to read in links given to him. A depressingly large number of replies to his posts are seemingly ignored. Since this is a lot of spam, I feel like leaving the list, but I also honestly want to help people use python and the replies to questions of others often give me much insight on several matters. Adding my +1 to this sentiment. In older saner and more politically incorrect times, when there was a student who was as idiotic as Nikos, he would be made to: -- run five rounds of the field -- stay after school -- write pages of I shall not talk in class In the age of cut-n-paste the last has lost its sting. Likewise the first two are hard to administer across the internet. Still if we are genuinely interested in solving this problem, ways may be found, for example: Any question from Nikos that has any English error, should be returned with: Correct your English before we look at your python. If he is brazen enough to correct one error and leave the other 35, then we put in a 24-hour delay for each reply. I am sure others can come up with better solutions if we wish. The alternative is that this disease has an unfavorable prognosis: [Yes Nikos is an infectious disease: I believe I can pull out mails from Steven and Grant Edwards whic hare begng tolook sspcicious ly like Nikos [Sorry Im not much good at imitation!] ] And that unfavorable prognosis is what Fabio is suggesting -- people will start leaving the list/group. Nikos: This is not against you personally. Just your current mode of conduct towards this list. And that mode quite simply is this: You have no interest in python, you are only interested in the immediate questions of your web-hosting. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Don't feed the troll... (was: Re: A few questiosn about encoding)
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:06:55 +0200 Heiko Wundram modeln...@modelnine.org wrote: Come on now, this is _so_ obviously trolling, it's not even remotely funny anymore. Why doesn't killfiling work with the mailing list version of the python list? :-( A big problem, other than Mr. Support's shenanigans with his email address, is that even those of us who seem to have successfully *plonked* him get the responses to him. The biggest issue with a troll isn't so much the annoying emails from him but the amplified slew of responses. That's the point of a troll after all. The answer is to always make sure that you include the previous poster in the reply as a Cc or To. I filter out any email that has the string supp...@superhost.gr in a header so I would also filter out the replies if people would follow that simple rule. I have suggested this before but the push back I get is that then people would get two copies of the email, one to them and one to the list. My answer is simple. Get a proper email system that filters out duplicates. Is there an email client out there that does not have this facility? -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/| and a sheep voting on +1 416 788 2246 (DoD#0082)(eNTP) | what's for dinner. IM: da...@vex.net, VOIP: sip:da...@vex.net -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Don't feed the troll... (was: Re: A few questiosn about encoding)
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:13 AM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: The answer is to always make sure that you include the previous poster in the reply as a Cc or To. I filter out any email that has the string supp...@superhost.gr in a header so I would also filter out the replies if people would follow that simple rule. I have suggested this before but the push back I get is that then people would get two copies of the email, one to them and one to the list. My answer is simple. Get a proper email system that filters out duplicates. Is there an email client out there that does not have this facility? The main downside to that is not the first response, to somebody@somewhere and python-list, but the subsequent ones. Do you include everyone's addresses? And if so, how do they then get off the list? (This is a serious consideration. I had some very angry people asking me to unsubscribe them from a (private) mailman list I run, but they weren't subscribed at all - they were being cc'd.) I prefer to simply mail the list. You should be able to mute entire threads, and he doesn't start more than a couple a day usually. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Don't feed the troll... (was: Re: A few questiosn about encoding)
On 2013-06-14, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:13 AM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote: The answer is to always make sure that you include the previous poster in the reply as a Cc or To. I filter out any email that has the string supp...@superhost.gr in a header so I would also filter out the replies if people would follow that simple rule. I have suggested this before but the push back I get is that then people would get two copies of the email, one to them and one to the list. My answer is simple. Get a proper email system that filters out duplicates. Is there an email client out there that does not have this facility? The main downside to that is not the first response, to somebody@somewhere and python-list, but the subsequent ones. Do you include everyone's addresses? And if so, how do they then get off the list? (This is a serious consideration. I had some very angry people asking me to unsubscribe them from a (private) mailman list I run, but they weren't subscribed at all - they were being cc'd.) I think the answer is to automatically kill all threads stared by him. Unfortunately, I don't know if that's possible in most newsreaders. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! A dwarf is passing out at somewhere in Detroit! gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
