Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
TP wrote: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: [Why are threads broken in the newsgroup?] Not sure if this is relevant. I use mail.google.com to follow mailing lists and a large proportion of python-list traffic ends up in my gmail spam folder for some reason? Your e-mail problems are unrelated to what happens in the newsgroup, the fact aside that you are posting more text than necessary. http://learn.to/quote -- PointedEars Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn pointede...@web.de wrote: Thomas Guettler wrote: On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: Andrew Berg wrote: […] As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the newsgroup. Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not generated by the gateway. As a result, there are few if any threads left in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read. (And no, threading by Subject is a stupid idea.) Would someone responsible *please* fix this? I am willing to provide assistance, see also my suggestion in news:5337093.9j7nak4...@pointedears.de. Who is responsible? If I knew that I would not ask here. I think in the past there were not many broken threads. I wonder what changed this. One factor, as I see it, is an increasing number of people using e-mail clients that do not generate the References header field, as it is only a SHOULD, not a MUST per RFC 5322, or people using mail clients that are FUBAR (like G2, Google Groups and Mail). But that header field is mandatory for Network News (RFC 5536), and if it is missing you create a mess for newsreaders (applications and people alike). Bugs making a slumbering real bug in the gateway implementation apparent. But that appears to be only half the truth as e.g. I can retrieve none of the messages that mailman.524.1309439986.1164.python-l...@python.org of 15:19 GMT+02:00 today refers to, regardless from where they supposedly originated. I am not deleting messages locally and I have a rather fast and reliable newsfeed, so the messages should have arrived by now. -- PointedEars Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Not sure if this is relevant. I use mail.google.com to follow mailing lists and a large proportion of python-list traffic ends up in my gmail spam folder for some reason? -- TP -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM, TP wing...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if this is relevant. I use mail.google.com to follow mailing lists and a large proportion of python-list traffic ends up in my gmail spam folder for some reason? Set a filter (you can Filter messages like this) that says Never spam. That stops that from happening. ChrisA -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: Andrew Berg wrote: […] As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the newsgroup. Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not generated by the gateway. As a result, there are few if any threads left in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read. (And no, threading by Subject is a stupid idea.) Would someone responsible *please* fix this? I am willing to provide assistance, see also my suggestion in news:5337093.9j7nak4...@pointedears.de. Hi, Who is responsible? I think in the past there were not many broken threads. I wonder what changed this. Thomas -- Thomas Guettler, http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ E-Mail: guettli (*) thomas-guettler + de -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
Thomas Guettler wrote: On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: Andrew Berg wrote: […] As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the newsgroup. Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not generated by the gateway. As a result, there are few if any threads left in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read. (And no, threading by Subject is a stupid idea.) Would someone responsible *please* fix this? I am willing to provide assistance, see also my suggestion in news:5337093.9j7nak4...@pointedears.de. Who is responsible? If I knew that I would not ask here. I think in the past there were not many broken threads. I wonder what changed this. One factor, as I see it, is an increasing number of people using e-mail clients that do not generate the References header field, as it is only a SHOULD, not a MUST per RFC 5322, or people using mail clients that are FUBAR (like G2, Google Groups and Mail). But that header field is mandatory for Network News (RFC 5536), and if it is missing you create a mess for newsreaders (applications and people alike). Bugs making a slumbering real bug in the gateway implementation apparent. But that appears to be only half the truth as e.g. I can retrieve none of the messages that mailman.524.1309439986.1164.python-l...@python.org of 15:19 GMT+02:00 today refers to, regardless from where they supposedly originated. I am not deleting messages locally and I have a rather fast and reliable newsfeed, so the messages should have arrived by now. -- PointedEars Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Thomas Guettler h...@tbz-pariv.de wrote: On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: Andrew Berg wrote: snip Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not generated by the gateway. As a result, there are few if any threads left in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read. (And no, threading by Subject is a stupid idea.) Would someone responsible *please* fix this? I am willing to provide assistance, see also my suggestion in news:5337093.9j7nak4...@pointedears.de. Hi, Who is responsible? I would assume those named in the footer of http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list , for whom python-list-ow...@python.org is given as a collective public contact address. Cheers, Chris -- cmp(python-list, comp.lang.python) == ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Andrew Berg bahamutzero8...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't get at least two messages from the call a function every 10 seconds thread, and possibly some other messages, and I access the group via the mailing list. I use the latest stable Thunderbird, if that matters. I've only noticed this recently, and I'm still getting other messages. In fact, I only noticed this because I got a message that referenced messages I didn't get. I think the more likely answer is that it was sent without being also sent to python-list. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
On 2011.06.29 03:53 PM, Noah Hall wrote: I think the more likely answer is that it was sent without being also sent to python-list. Possible, but they were two messages from two different people and happened within a few hours of each other, so it could be that the two messages didn't go through. I don't know which is more likely; I only ask to find out. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
I forgot to mention I don't have Usenet access, and Google Groups' archives don't have messages from the last couple of days, so I can't check the Usenet side. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
- Original Message - From: Andrew Berg bahamutzero8...@gmail.com To: comp.lang.python python-list@python.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? I didn't get at least two messages from the call a function every 10 seconds thread, and possibly some other messages, and I access the group via the mailing list. I use the latest stable Thunderbird, if that matters. I've only noticed this recently, and I'm still getting other messages. In fact, I only noticed this because I got a message that referenced messages I didn't get. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list This just happened to me as well, I probably did not receive the same messages as Andrew from this same 'call a function' thread. I don't believe I missed any messages from previous threads. I use Outlook Express. Patty -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
Andrew Berg wrote: […] As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the newsgroup. Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not generated by the gateway. As a result, there are few if any threads left in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read. (And no, threading by Subject is a stupid idea.) Would someone responsible *please* fix this? I am willing to provide assistance, see also my suggestion in news:5337093.9j7nak4...@pointedears.de. -- PointedEars Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
