Re: Thank you Python community!

[Gregory Ewing]

John Ladasky wrote:


Yeah, it's either Python or that horrifying street drug PHP.  I know which one 
I'm choosing.


Python is definitely the best language for getting high on:

https://xkcd.com/353/

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Re: Thank you Python community!

[John Ladasky]

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 9:28:09 AM UTC-7, Etienne Robillard wrote:

> I would like to thank you guys sincerely for helping a lot of people to 
> stay clean, and focus on programming high-level stuff in Python instead 
> of doing some really nasty drugs.

Yeah, it's either Python or that horrifying street drug PHP.  I know which one 
I'm choosing.
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Re: [OT] Re: Thank you Python community!

[Ned Batchelder]

On 3/20/18 12:08 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 7:03:11 AM UTC-5, Adriaan Renting wrote:

(on the subject of the opioid epidemic)


The [OT] in the subject line is right: let's not get off on a political 
tangent.


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Re: [OT] Re: Thank you Python community!

[Rick Johnson]

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 7:03:11 AM UTC-5, Adriaan Renting wrote:

(on the subject of the opioid epidemic)

> That sounds more like a conspiracy theory than a real
> analysis of the problem.   Looking at it from here in
> Europe, most of the analysis I've been able to read and
> watch about it, points to a different cause:   A lack of
> security: People flee to drugs (alcohol, tobacco, coffee
> and other (illegal) drugs) to escape st[r]essful
> environments.

Personally, I drink coffee simply so i can function in the
morning. If i'm feeling anything, it's unconsciousness. As
far as drugs, alcohol and tobacco are concerned; those days
are long behind me.

> - A lack of job security 
> - A lack of proper healthcare 
> - Broken and single parent families 
> - Poor and/or expensive education 
> - Mental illness 

And don't forget boredom! ;-)

> What I learned from visiting the USA many times is: -
> Americans value the individual, not the collective. 

Yes. Individualism is a natural part of rejecting your birth
county; packing up your belonging; sailing across an ocean;
and starting over from scratch. To the "true americans" (not
the fake ones who come here looking for handouts) there is
nothing more important than freedom. A true american would
never sacrifice freedom for security. A true american spits
in the face of so-called security, because they know it's a
bald faced lie, as there is no such thing as "security" in
such a hostile universe as our. "Security" is simply snake
oil sold to ignoramuses. It plays on the emotions of
infantile humans.

> They have been trained to distrust anything collective,

True americans are born in every country of the world. They
come from all walks of life and every ethnic and racial
background. But of all their differences, they share a
common respect for individual liberty. And that's why most
outsiders cannot understand how america could possibly
become so strong in a paltry few hundered years and survive
for as long as she has.

> even if it is the only way to solve an issue. - Money has
> too much influence at all levels, especially in politics.

Money has been ruining politics for thousands of years...
where have your been?

> The combination of an election system that is 2 centuries
> behind the times, with modern compute power, data gathering
> and media technology is corrupting the system. 

The media is to blame for much of the ills of modern
society, bathing our subconscious in gratuitous violence, and
stoking our emotions over the most frivolous and petty
differences between us. 

> - The USA always depended a lot on immigration and never
> had to keep it's own working population well educated and
> healthy to run the economy. This is changing and one of the
> big cultural wars raging currently.

Again, another failure of government who is in bed with
greedy corporation. Nationalism is feared and branded as
pure evil these days due to one most atrocious usage of it
in recent history, but nationalism (the non-religios kind!)
may be the _only_ force that has prevented thermo nuclear
war up to this point. Even that murderous jerk Stalin would
not have wanted to witness his beloved USSR smoulder to
ashes. But with the rabid stigmatization of nationalism
these days, we are entering a time in which the masses no
longer care about their fellow country(wo)men. And in a
world of Mutually Assured Destruction, a lack of social
comradery leads to national suicide. And in this universe,
there is no choice or action that is devoid of consequence.
All forces possess varying degrees applicability.

> The broken healthcare system is a symptom of these issues.

"Broken healthcare" is a buzz word that animates emotional
weaklings. The state of health care has absolutely nothing
to do with the social turmoil that plagues us. "Healthcare"
is only a recent phenomenon. Hardly a few hundred years ago
doctors were few and far between. And to believe that
"fixing the healthcare system" (whatever that means!) will
suddenly usher in an "epoch of Universal Utopianism", is the
bone-headed height of naivete.

Don't be a fool. Healthcare has nothing to do with our
overall happiness, it is merely another divisive tool
utilized by the manipulators to animate the selfish and
jealous idiots into a mad frenzy. An in such a
discombobulated emotional state, humans are more willing to
sacrifice freedom for paltry priviledge. Rights cannot be
taken away. Whereas priviledge _can_.

> There are other reasons people get into drugs*, but from
> what I've read, my impression is that these are major
> causes to the current problems in the USA.

BRAVO! YES! THAT'S RIGHT! Blame all the world's problems on
america. At least that way, you won't have to actually
_think_! @_@

> Successive US governments have been waging unwinnable
> "wars", like the "War on Drugs" for decades, so entire
> industries can keep profiting. Until you fix the problems
> in society the demand will not go away and the problems
> 

Re: [OT] Re: Thank you Python community!

[Larry Martell]

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 6:19 AM, Adriaan Renting  wrote:
>
> That sounds more like a conspiracy theory than a real analysis of the
> problem.

Follow the money.

>
>
> Looking at it from here in Europe, most of the analysis I've been able to
> read and watch about it, points to a different cause:
>
>
> A lack of security: People flee to drugs (alcohol, tobacco, coffee and other
> (illegal) drugs) to escape stessful environments.
>
>
> - A lack of job security
>
> - A lack of proper healthcare
>
> - Broken and single parent families
>
> - Poor and/or expensive education
>
> - Mental illness
>
>
> What I learned from visiting the USA many times is:
>
> - Americans value the individual, not the collective. They have been trained
> to distrust anything collective, even if it is the only way to solve an
> issue.
>
> - Money has too much influence at all levels, especially in politics. The
> combination of an election system that is 2 centuries behind the times, with
> modern compute power, data gathering and media technology is corrupting the
> system.
>
> - The USA always depended a lot on immigration and never had to keep it's
> own working population well educated and healthy to run the economy. This is
> changing and one of the big cultural wars raging currently.
>
>
> The broken healthcare system is a symptom of these issues.
>
>
> There are other reasons people get into drugs*, but from what I've read, my
> impression is that these are major causes to the current problems in the
> USA.
>
>
> Successive US governments have been waging unwinnable "wars", like the "War
> on Drugs" for decades, so entire industries can keep profiting. Until you
> fix the problems in society the demand will not go away and the problems
> will stay.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> *) Drug use also correlates with boredom and low amounts of sunlight and an
> amount of predisposition. Correlation is not always causation, but can be.
>
>
 Larry Martell  19-3-2018 20:21 >>>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Etienne Robillard 
> wrote:
>> You guys just made me realize something very obvious. :-)
>>
>> I'm in the process right now of watching the excellent documentary named
>> "Drugs Inc." on Netflix and I'm basically stunned and deeply concerned
>> about
>> the major opioid epidemic in the US.
>
> Have no clue what this has to do with python, but the opioid epidemic
> was created by collision between big pharma and the government.
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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Etienne Robillard]

Le 2018-03-19 à 22:21, Rick Johnson a écrit :

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:37:21 PM UTC-5, Ben Finney wrote:


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   `\ of enthusiasm."  -- Winston Churchill |
_o__)  |
Ben Finney



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_o__)  |
Ben Finney

Okay Ben, i believe it's time to come clean and finally admit to this fine
community, that these quotes of yours are not merely chosen at random, but are
in fact, delectable morsels of laser-focused sarcasm.

Here's another one I have in mind theses days:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do 
nothing." -Edmund Burke


Etienne

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[OT] Re: Thank you Python community!

[Adriaan Renting]

That sounds more like a conspiracy theory than a real analysis of the
problem. 


Looking at it from here in Europe, most of the analysis I've been able
to read and watch about it, points to a different cause: 


A lack of security: People flee to drugs (alcohol, tobacco, coffee and
other (illegal) drugs) to escape stessful environments. 


- A lack of job security 
- A lack of proper healthcare 
- Broken and single parent families 
- Poor and/or expensive education 
- Mental illness 


What I learned from visiting the USA many times is: 
- Americans value the individual, not the collective. They have been
trained to distrust anything collective, even if it is the only way to
solve an issue. 
- Money has too much influence at all levels, especially in politics.
The combination of an election system that is 2 centuries behind the
times, with modern compute power, data gathering and media technology is
corrupting the system. 
- The USA always depended a lot on immigration and never had to keep
it's own working population well educated and healthy to run the
economy. This is changing and one of the big cultural wars raging
currently. 


The broken healthcare system is a symptom of these issues. 


There are other reasons people get into drugs*, but from what I've
read, my impression is that these are major causes to the current
problems in the USA. 


Successive US governments have been waging unwinnable "wars", like the
"War on Drugs" for decades, so entire industries can keep profiting.
Until you fix the problems in society the demand will not go away and
the problems will stay. 


Cheers.



*) Drug use also correlates with boredom and low amounts of sunlight
and an amount of predisposition. Correlation is not always causation,
but can be. 

>>> Larry Martell  19-3-2018 20:21 >>>
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Etienne Robillard
 wrote:
> You guys just made me realize something very obvious. :-)
>
> I'm in the process right now of watching the excellent documentary
named
> "Drugs Inc." on Netflix and I'm basically stunned and deeply
concerned about
> the major opioid epidemic in the US.

Have no clue what this has to do with python, but the opioid epidemic
was created by collision between big pharma and the government.
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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Alister via Python-list]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:21:04 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote:

> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:37:21 PM UTC-5, Ben Finney wrote:
> 
>> --
>>  \   "Success is going from one failure to the next without a loss
>>  |
>>   `\ of enthusiasm."  -- Winston Churchill
>>   |
>> _o__) 
>> |
>> Ben Finney
> 
> 
>> --
>>  \ “Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
>>  |
>>   `\   recognize a mistake when you make it again.” —Franklin P. Jones
>>   |
>> _o__) 
>> |
>> Ben Finney
> 
> Okay Ben, i believe it's time to come clean and finally admit to this
> fine community, that these quotes of yours are not merely chosen at
> random, but are in fact, delectable morsels of laser-focused sarcasm.

maybe not - I use fortune to generate mine & it can be supprisingly apt 
at times 



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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Rick Johnson]

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:37:21 PM UTC-5, Ben Finney wrote:

> --
>  \   "Success is going from one failure to the next without a loss |
>   `\ of enthusiasm."  -- Winston Churchill |
> _o__)  |
> Ben Finney


> --
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>   `\   recognize a mistake when you make it again.” —Franklin P. Jones |
> _o__)  |
> Ben Finney

Okay Ben, i believe it's time to come clean and finally admit to this fine
community, that these quotes of yours are not merely chosen at random, but are
in fact, delectable morsels of laser-focused sarcasm.

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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Etienne Robillard]

Le 2018-03-19 à 19:36, Ben Finney a écrit :

Etienne Robillard  writes:


I would like to make such an experimental research/investigation on
the effects of Python software programming on opioid addiction. :-)

Okay. The wording of your message implied that you know this already
happens now, though. How did you come to know this?

I'm not really sure what you mean here. Anyways, i found "Drugs Inc." a 
highly informative and educational documentary.


I just thought that doing some Python coding should be a very effective 
way to stimulate your brain in positive ways.


Etienne

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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Ben Finney]

Etienne Robillard  writes:

> I would like to make such an experimental research/investigation on
> the effects of Python software programming on opioid addiction. :-)

Okay. The wording of your message implied that you know this already
happens now, though. How did you come to know this?

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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Etienne Robillard]

Hi Ben,

Thank you for your reply.

I would like to make such an experimental research/investigation on the 
effects of Python software programming on opioid addiction. :-)


Probably studying the learning of Python in people with cocaine and 
heroin addiction would be significant and interesting.


Kind regards,

Etienne


Le 2018-03-19 à 17:58, Ben Finney a écrit :

Etienne Robillard  writes:


I would like to thank you guys sincerely for helping a lot of people
to stay clean, and focus on programming high-level stuff in Python
instead of doing some really nasty drugs.

Thank you for the kind words.

I'd love to believe the Python community has the significant benefit you
describe. That just raises the importance of being skeptical (because I
*want* it to be true, means more rigour is needed to avoid the bias to
believe it; read about “confirmation bias” to see the problem).

So, in the interest of having our beliefs match the facts: What is the
verifiable, statistically sound evidence that this effect actually
occurs as a result of the Python community's help with programming?
Where is it pbulished so we can see it? What is the size of the measured
effect?


It's time we regroup and combine our forces to help people who really
needs our help.

Combining forces to help the needy is a sentiment I can fully endorse,
for sure.



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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Ben Finney]

Etienne Robillard  writes:

> I would like to thank you guys sincerely for helping a lot of people
> to stay clean, and focus on programming high-level stuff in Python
> instead of doing some really nasty drugs.

Thank you for the kind words.

I'd love to believe the Python community has the significant benefit you
describe. That just raises the importance of being skeptical (because I
*want* it to be true, means more rigour is needed to avoid the bias to
believe it; read about “confirmation bias” to see the problem).

So, in the interest of having our beliefs match the facts: What is the
verifiable, statistically sound evidence that this effect actually
occurs as a result of the Python community's help with programming?
Where is it pbulished so we can see it? What is the size of the measured
effect?

> It's time we regroup and combine our forces to help people who really
> needs our help.

Combining forces to help the needy is a sentiment I can fully endorse,
for sure.

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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Etienne Robillard]

Le 2018-03-19 à 15:21, Larry Martell a écrit :

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Etienne Robillard  wrote:

You guys just made me realize something very obvious. :-)

I'm in the process right now of watching the excellent documentary named
"Drugs Inc." on Netflix and I'm basically stunned and deeply concerned about
the major opioid epidemic in the US.

Have no clue what this has to do with python, but the opioid epidemic
was created by collision between big pharma and the government.
Quite simply, coding stuff in Python (or any other high-level 
programming language) is probably a very effective (and underestimated) 
way to help people in need finding a real goal in their life and the 
feeling of accomplishment.


Etienne

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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Rob Gaddi]

On 03/19/2018 12:40 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:

On 03/19/2018 02:05 PM, bartc wrote:

I've often wondered what the guys who invented C (around 1970) must have been 
smoking to have come up with some of those ideas.


I dunno, but I do know that - if they were smoking something - it was
rolled in greenbar paper ...



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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Tim Daneliuk]

On 03/19/2018 02:05 PM, bartc wrote:
> I've often wondered what the guys who invented C (around 1970) must have been 
> smoking to have come up with some of those ideas.

I dunno, but I do know that - if they were smoking something - it was
rolled in greenbar paper ...
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Re: Thank you Python community!

[Larry Martell]

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Etienne Robillard  wrote:
> You guys just made me realize something very obvious. :-)
>
> I'm in the process right now of watching the excellent documentary named
> "Drugs Inc." on Netflix and I'm basically stunned and deeply concerned about
> the major opioid epidemic in the US.

Have no clue what this has to do with python, but the opioid epidemic
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Re: Thank you Python community!

[bartc]

On 19/03/2018 16:08, Etienne Robillard wrote:

You guys just made me realize something very obvious. :-)

I'm in the process right now of watching the excellent documentary named 
"Drugs Inc." on Netflix and I'm basically stunned and deeply concerned 
about the major opioid epidemic in the US.


I would like to thank you guys sincerely for helping a lot of people to 
stay clean, and focus on programming high-level stuff in Python instead 
of doing some really nasty drugs.


I'm also wondering, could we exploit this strategy even further to help 
people willing to stop doing drugs by teaching them some stuff in Python?


You either code in Python, or you're forced to take drugs? Got it.

The trick I think is to let people use programming as a way to socialize 
more in order to stimulate or distract their minds whiling keeping them 
away from drugs.


I've often wondered what the guys who invented C (around 1970) must have 
been smoking to have come up with some of those ideas.



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