Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 21/09/2013 11:29 PM, William Ray Wing wrote: Νίκος , You CLEARLY don't understand. Just a public service reminder that Nikos' behaviour is _consistently_ that of his prefered nom de plume: Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/flame_62.php -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 18/9/2013 2:29 πμ, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:17:43 +0300, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com declaimed the following: So cant this be done in python or not? or is a mtetr of configuring the MTA? conf file? You can't... Those headers get added by the ISP and any other host the mail passes through. The more you fake the originator IP/user the more the subsequent servers will add flags that they can't confirm who sent the mail... And eventually some filter may drop it as spam. Υes Denis every foreign MTA adds headers as mail passes over it ( as proved to be done at least from the gmail's smtp) But if we set up our local MTA to modify the headers, hostname, ip address, user) to our own likign then the local MTA will connect to the foreign MTA and passes it out modifed data , not the real one. Ιsn't this possible? that is to fake our hostname and ip address? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Sep 21, 2013, at 5:21 AM, Νίκος nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/9/2013 2:29 πμ, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:17:43 +0300, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com declaimed the following: So cant this be done in python or not? or is a mtetr of configuring the MTA? conf file? You can't... Those headers get added by the ISP and any other host the mail passes through. The more you fake the originator IP/user the more the subsequent servers will add flags that they can't confirm who sent the mail... And eventually some filter may drop it as spam. Υes Denis every foreign MTA adds headers as mail passes over it ( as proved to be done at least from the gmail's smtp) But if we set up our local MTA to modify the headers, hostname, ip address, user) to our own likign then the local MTA will connect to the foreign MTA and passes it out modifed data , not the real one. Ιsn't this possible? that is to fake our hostname and ip address? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Νίκος , You CLEARLY don't understand. Please. There are Mail headers and there are IP packet network headers. They have to agree with each other or spam/malware alarms go off. Even if you fake the mail headers, there is no way you can use fake IP packet headers, they are necessary for the underlying network hardware to work. -Bill -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Op 20-09-13 05:56, Jake Angulo schreef: Up Robert Kern's reply! I was waiting for smtplib http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtplib to be mentioned... finally! Instead people simply answer philosophically. I dont want to judge whether OP is a troll or not - but i found a lot of arrogant replies here. That is nice. You don't like to judge the OP but you seem to have no trouble judging others I have also worked on an antispam project before, and see through the intents of the OP, but I do not pretend to be a moralist. That doesn't sound right after you judged other replies to be arrogant. I was hoping we would strictly discuss code or software architecture here, not morality. Simple question, simple answer pls, in the interest of the Python list. Well I was hoping, we wouldn't be plagued by trolls or help-vampires or at least that other wouldn't (spoon) feed them. I guess we can always hope. To the OP: You might want to google smtplib, and use that instead of os calling a system command. Smtplib takes care of all the operating system's quirks for you, and still uses the os native sendmail program. But that won't help in eliminating all the headers Nikos would like to avoid. Like the receive line that will identify his host. -- Antoon Pardon -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 2013-09-20 04:56, Jake Angulo wrote: Up Robert Kern's reply! I was waiting for smtplib http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtplib to be mentioned... finally! Instead people simply answer philosophically. I dont want to judge whether OP is a troll or not - but i found a lot of arrogant replies here. I have also worked on an antispam project before, and see through the intents of the OP, but I do not pretend to be a moralist. I was hoping we would strictly discuss code or software architecture here, not morality. Simple question, simple answer pls, in the interest of the Python list. Please don't valorize my message. I did neither Nikos nor the group any favors. I can only plead dizziness from the whooshing of Tim's sarcasm flying over Nikos' head. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Hi Jake! Am Freitag, 20. September 2013 05:56:57 UTC+2 schrieb Jake Angulo: ... I was waiting for smtplib to be mentioned... finally! Instead people simply answer philosophically. I dont want to judge whether OP is a troll or not - As you do not seem to know the histrory of this topic I will try to summarize (you can find the plethora of posts in the archive): * Nikos tried to send mails using smtplib via gmail * gmail did not allow him to use arbitrary FROM adresses (whatever FROM-header he used, gmail changed it to the e-mail of his account). evil, evil gmail ;-) * He got many, many hints not to send via gmail but use his own MTA * Nikos configured sendmail to relay mail VIA GMAIL (unfortunately that did not change anything) * while using arbitrary things to find the reason (when you browse the archive you will learn, that nikos does not read postings or docs but uses some sort of artistic or random or just chaotic trial and error to solve his problems) * ... he found some other headers he wants to falsify * the only reference to python is, that he wants to use his python-cgi-scripts to change the mailheaders AFTER the mail left his relaying MTA and even after the mail arrives in the inbox of the recipient (received-by-headers, IP-Adresses, ...). The hints to read some docs about TCP/IP, SMTP, ... he ignores as he has to do see http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/flame_62.php (the original by mreed is not reachable today) hth -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Up Robert Kern's reply! I was waiting for smtplib http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtplib to be mentioned... finally! Instead people simply answer philosophically. I dont want to judge whether OP is a troll or not - but i found a lot of arrogant replies here. I have also worked on an antispam project before, and see through the intents of the OP, but I do not pretend to be a moralist. I was hoping we would strictly discuss code or software architecture here, not morality. Simple question, simple answer pls, in the interest of the Python list. To the OP: You might want to google smtplib, and use that instead of os calling a system command. Smtplib takes care of all the operating system's quirks for you, and still uses the os native sendmail program. On the other hand, the way you are sending email is highly suspect, trying to spoof a domain, random email address, etc. It is not easy to fool most modern email servers nowadays - especially gmail's. They verify first that the sending domain matches the IP of the sender. And if you are trying to do this - it is neither Python's nor the OS fault. Happy coding! On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-09-17 13:11, Ferrous Cranus wrote: There are members here like Tim Chase who said that they find it interesting to be able to do what i proposed. No, he didn't. He was using sarcasm in a vain attempt to inspire you to search the Python documentation where you could easily find the standard SMTP library. http://docs.python.org/2/**library/smtplibhttp://docs.python.org/2/library/smtplib -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- https://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/python-listhttps://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 18/9/2013 18:31, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:34:50 -0400, William Ray Wing w...@mac.com declaimed the following: I think you need to read up on some of the most basic fundamentals of tcp/ip networking, i.e., the basis of the global internet. EVERY network packet (and I do mean every) packet in an IP network carries both a source and a destination address in its header. These are fundamentally necessary in order to allow the gateway router at the originating site to direct an outgoing packet to its destination, and allow the receiving host at the destination site to craft reply packets. Even worse -- IP packets are wrapped by Ethernet packets which use MAC addresses for direct routing between nodes... Granted, those MAC addresses may not propagate beyond the next defined gateway IP host, but they do (theoretically) identify the exact NIC that sent the packet. Noting reliable about the MAC adress. Many systems permit or even encourage spoofing. And it gets overwritten at each hop, so the other end cannot easily determine the number a client may have made up. The first time I added a router to my cable modem, I had to tell it to use (spoof) the old MAC address so that the cable modem didn't have to be reprogrammed. -- DaveA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Am Dienstag, 17. September 2013 03:40:06 UTC+2 schrieb Tim Chase: On 2013-09-17 00:15, Ferrous Cranus wrote: ... But i wish to try it, is there a way to try to remove them? You could manage your own SMTP connection. If only Python had some built in library that handled SMTP, that would be great! Then you would be able to instantiate some SMTP object, connect to another server, optionally authenticating, then send mail, and close the connection. That would be so awesome! :-D Cool idea! But bad, bad GMail won't let me fake the FROM-Header. Bad, bad GMail. WHINE! ;-) (Hey, we reached the start of the thread. Infinite loops are sooo cool ;-) ) ... -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 17.09.2013 01:41, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: I cannot fathom for the life of me a legitimate reason for your website to use a fake IP address and hostname when sending email. In addition to that: it's amazing that Nikos thinks TCP will still work in the presence of spoofed IP addresses. Email without TCP is a challenge, at the least. - -- - --- Heiko. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSODMPAAoJEDMqpHf921/SC0YH/3rCWDcX+rzJKonfeJXUYNxz nbrBPDsoZf6xPh0socOn88TrzgbZewhWf2l3dHAPOKxTAwUWjRjygatTccBmZur9 6B+t410Nq7axz5+0jg4OwBSOQVt3jr0YInK3vWzq4nd0V0cHchvZzfrdSmnEloDU V3wIPhBM7MEavyuvrxhutIM8DxA/0z6L/cLhwnpHfE6AxVMeGh/dHhGK9eaxJ03C pfPWgb2fuCRHrOd3+cLUx3ZFF6YkK00PZzICFhkx236K8iaTvBgqIsod2tpyP6+t H9qlXCfxit1d6nEzTJavx4suBGStcbhDr1C6VlDaPjfVH+w8842h/0QLhTsMXjY= =K/XL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
In honour of the value of mailing lists in general lets stop this thread since once again the troll pattern repeats ad infinitum. At least if you want to add to this nonsense, read each of the (several?) dozen entries. 1. a seemingly earnest question is asked with something to do with python. The question looks like it is from an very anxious novice 2. errors are pointed out in the sloppiness of the code and as an aside, the value of code in general is questioned since it is based on assumptions that are completely muddled, misunderstood 3. people start to laugh and grouse here we go again 4. The troll whines back that he asked a good and question and people are being mean to him 5. He draws more people into the thread who feel bad he was maligned. 6. the thread seems to go on with some (faux) value as people probe the the basis of the discussion further 7. The troll, ignores every single bit of useful information provided that doesn't serve his interest in keeping this going by slightly altering the questions, or posing new variants, or raising hair-brain notions. In other words he is not discussion his own question, he is TROLLING to keep the thread alive. 8. Someone notices the cycle is complete. Go back for a year to every question asked by the troll who goes by Nikos or Ferrous, or 2 or three other email address (in the same thread!) and see if any of them don't follow this pattern. If you are new here and think this guy is worth your time, you are wasting everyone's time and memory space or disk space to add to these threads Ok, I won't do it again. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Heiko Wundram modeln...@modelnine.orgwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 17.09.2013 01:41, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: I cannot fathom for the life of me a legitimate reason for your website to use a fake IP address and hostname when sending email. In addition to that: it's amazing that Nikos thinks TCP will still work in the presence of spoofed IP addresses. Email without TCP is a challenge, at the least. - -- - --- Heiko. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSODMPAAoJEDMqpHf921/SC0YH/3rCWDcX+rzJKonfeJXUYNxz nbrBPDsoZf6xPh0socOn88TrzgbZewhWf2l3dHAPOKxTAwUWjRjygatTccBmZur9 6B+t410Nq7axz5+0jg4OwBSOQVt3jr0YInK3vWzq4nd0V0cHchvZzfrdSmnEloDU V3wIPhBM7MEavyuvrxhutIM8DxA/0z6L/cLhwnpHfE6AxVMeGh/dHhGK9eaxJ03C pfPWgb2fuCRHrOd3+cLUx3ZFF6YkK00PZzICFhkx236K8iaTvBgqIsod2tpyP6+t H9qlXCfxit1d6nEzTJavx4suBGStcbhDr1C6VlDaPjfVH+w8842h/0QLhTsMXjY= =K/XL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 17/9/2013 2:55 μμ, ο/η Joel Goldstick έγραψε: In honour of the value of mailing lists in general lets stop this thread since once again the troll pattern repeats ad infinitum. At least if you want to add to this nonsense, read each of the (several?) dozen entries. 1. a seemingly earnest question is asked with something to do with python. The question looks like it is from an very anxious novice 2. errors are pointed out in the sloppiness of the code and as an aside, the value of code in general is questioned since it is based on assumptions that are completely muddled, misunderstood 3. people start to laugh and grouse here we go again 4. The troll whines back that he asked a good and question and people are being mean to him 5. He draws more people into the thread who feel bad he was maligned. 6. the thread seems to go on with some (faux) value as people probe the the basis of the discussion further 7. The troll, ignores every single bit of useful information provided that doesn't serve his interest in keeping this going by slightly altering the questions, or posing new variants, or raising hair-brain notions. In other words he is not discussion his own question, he is TROLLING to keep the thread alive. 8. Someone notices the cycle is complete. Go back for a year to every question asked by the troll who goes by Nikos or Ferrous, or 2 or three other email address (in the same thread!) and see if any of them don't follow this pattern. If you are new here and think this guy is worth your time, you are wasting everyone's time and memory space or disk space to add to these threads Ok, I won't do it again. Yes you are doing it. I'm not trolling but trying to solve a specific question and i have provided code i wrote to do that and explained the reason of why i want it to work like this. I wouldn't waste my time trying code so many days until i make it work. If you want to think i'm trolling go ahead and do it but please do it in your own thread not messing up mines. There are members here like Tim Chase who said that they find it interesting to be able to do what i proposed. It's ok if you dont want to help, but spamming my thread with your trolling assumptions towards me is tiresome and if you gonna do it open do it at least in your own thread. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 17.09.2013 13:55, schrieb Joel Goldstick: At least if you want to add to this nonsense, read each of the (several?) dozen entries. Actually, I have read each of the troll cycles (just as I read much of clp, although I haven't participated much for the last five years), and found most of them to be rather interesting reads (in their digression from the original topic). And: I actually find it rather valuable answering indirectly to things noticed along the ride (or reading what other people answer indirectly in the same manner) - see my post in this thread where I pointed out that the original code actually does not sanitize inputs to a shell command to send mail. But, again, your impression may differ, and I can respect that. - -- - --- Heiko. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOEl/AAoJEDMqpHf921/SAJQIAI48Kzz0js1QqMDkotmMZfdE XJYwsWlRXtaPhRy1VEGKHiSgCEd71/IVDUOPEv5TuJMy9zfsW1McexrYMW0NW63J RiAlDmLSITfdPRYqPgmOTA4MqgJ3V2/oAzOpYXwPqs8Qdt92AX5Tr5itDFgua18T TSdsD4gNudtIMUBkACzMjJKGyxrHvFFhGpUHlFh5swrZhflaGm1TuCWwz3ojTSbG yoQRPe1ylSjcxkJesaKXR8mIaUMq4mrUaChBe+FwoCJXXs8kkX/EO3KULvKCxQGU lzsom+b/eTaxB/ttyHwbt7QSsYq1ko2fIeqqDD/jmhTpg5gshOC+JHLs3bUkmMw= =sTJq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 2013-09-17 13:11, Ferrous Cranus wrote: There are members here like Tim Chase who said that they find it interesting to be able to do what i proposed. No, he didn't. He was using sarcasm in a vain attempt to inspire you to search the Python documentation where you could easily find the standard SMTP library. http://docs.python.org/2/library/smtplib -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Op 17-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef: Yes you are doing it. I'm not trolling but trying to solve a specific question and i have provided code i wrote to do that and explained the reason of why i want it to work like this. No you haven't. You have given no explanation at all for why you want to eliminate those headers. Since those headers are added to ease finding the source of email abuse I really am curious to know your motivation for wanting them removed. I wouldn't waste my time trying code so many days until i make it work. If you want to think i'm trolling go ahead and do it but please do it in your own thread not messing up mines. You are incosiderate by messing up the python list with non python questions. Yet you demand others to be considerate by not messing up your thread. Well you can hope I guess. There are members here like Tim Chase who said that they find it interesting to be able to do what i proposed. Tim Chase said no such thing. It's ok if you dont want to help, but spamming my thread with your trolling assumptions towards me is tiresome and if you gonna do it open do it at least in your own thread. We find it tiresome that you keep coming here with non-python questions. That doesn't seem to stop you. So why do you think it should stop others? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 2013-09-17, Heiko Wundram modeln...@modelnine.org wrote: Am 17.09.2013 01:41, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: I cannot fathom for the life of me a legitimate reason for your website to use a fake IP address and hostname when sending email. In addition to that: it's amazing that Nikos thinks TCP will still work in the presence of spoofed IP addresses. Email without TCP is a challenge, at the least. Somehow I doubt Nikos is up to the task of settup up UUCP and a bank of dial-up modems. Even if he could manage it, there probably isn't anybody to dial-up... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Where's SANDY DUNCAN? at gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 17/9/2013 1:46 μμ, Heiko Wundram wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 17.09.2013 01:41, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: I cannot fathom for the life of me a legitimate reason for your website to use a fake IP address and hostname when sending email. In addition to that: it's amazing that Nikos thinks TCP will still work in the presence of spoofed IP addresses. Email without TCP is a challenge, at the least. - -- - --- Heiko. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSODMPAAoJEDMqpHf921/SC0YH/3rCWDcX+rzJKonfeJXUYNxz nbrBPDsoZf6xPh0socOn88TrzgbZewhWf2l3dHAPOKxTAwUWjRjygatTccBmZur9 6B+t410Nq7axz5+0jg4OwBSOQVt3jr0YInK3vWzq4nd0V0cHchvZzfrdSmnEloDU V3wIPhBM7MEavyuvrxhutIM8DxA/0z6L/cLhwnpHfE6AxVMeGh/dHhGK9eaxJ03C pfPWgb2fuCRHrOd3+cLUx3ZFF6YkK00PZzICFhkx236K8iaTvBgqIsod2tpyP6+t H9qlXCfxit1d6nEzTJavx4suBGStcbhDr1C6VlDaPjfVH+w8842h/0QLhTsMXjY= =K/XL -END PGP SIGNATURE- So cant this be done in python or not? or is a mtetr of configuring the MTA? conf file? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:17:43 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: So cant this be done in python or not? or is a mtetr of configuring the MTA? conf file? Python can not control data that is added to the message after it has left the python program. If you want to retain maximum possible control of the mail process from within python, you need to use a python module that handles the smtp exchange with the destination mta, however even then you can not control the content of header lines added by that destination mta, which will invariably include the real[1] ip address of your system. [1] The ip address that it is sending ack packets to as part of the smtp session, so unless you're using a proxy somewhere, this will be your system's ip address. Can't fake it. If the other system doesn't know your ip address, it can't send acks, and the tcp session fails. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: So the foreign MTA tests for real time connectivity with the local MTA and it tries to detect a working host and ip address. No, the local MTA connects to the foreign MTA. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 17/9/2013 7:30 μμ, Denis McMahon wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:17:43 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: So cant this be done in python or not? or is a mtetr of configuring the MTA? conf file? Python can not control data that is added to the message after it has left the python program. If you want to retain maximum possible control of the mail process from within python, you need to use a python module that handles the smtp exchange with the destination mta, however even then you can not control the content of header lines added by that destination mta, which will invariably include the real[1] ip address of your system. [1] The ip address that it is sending ack packets to as part of the smtp session, so unless you're using a proxy somewhere, this will be your system's ip address. Can't fake it. If the other system doesn't know your ip address, it can't send acks, and the tcp session fails. Ah, now we are getting somewhere. So the foreign MTA tests for real time connectivity with the local MTA and it tries to detect a working host and ip address. So even if we alter the hostname and the ip address of our localhost then the smtp procedure will fail correct? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Sep 17, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/9/2013 7:30 μμ, Denis McMahon wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:17:43 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: So cant this be done in python or not? or is a mtetr of configuring the MTA? conf file? Python can not control data that is added to the message after it has left the python program. If you want to retain maximum possible control of the mail process from within python, you need to use a python module that handles the smtp exchange with the destination mta, however even then you can not control the content of header lines added by that destination mta, which will invariably include the real[1] ip address of your system. [1] The ip address that it is sending ack packets to as part of the smtp session, so unless you're using a proxy somewhere, this will be your system's ip address. Can't fake it. If the other system doesn't know your ip address, it can't send acks, and the tcp session fails. Ah, now we are getting somewhere. So the foreign MTA tests for real time connectivity with the local MTA and it tries to detect a working host and ip address. So even if we alter the hostname and the ip address of our localhost then the smtp procedure will fail correct? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list I think you need to read up on some of the most basic fundamentals of tcp/ip networking, i.e., the basis of the global internet. EVERY network packet (and I do mean every) packet in an IP network carries both a source and a destination address in its header. These are fundamentally necessary in order to allow the gateway router at the originating site to direct an outgoing packet to its destination, and allow the receiving host at the destination site to craft reply packets. -Bill -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com writes: So cant this be done in python or not? or is a mtetr of configuring the MTA? conf file? You could write a python program that uses Gmail's web interface. But it is tricky, and if Gmail would change its inyterface you get stuck, and have to do it again, risking that temporarily your email cannot be delivered. I think you should give up this unholy idea, and just stick with the standard. -- Piet van Oostrum p...@vanoostrum.org WWW: http://pietvanoostrum.com/ PGP key: [8DAE142BE17999C4] -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:42:22 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: So the foreign MTA tests for real time connectivity with the local MTA and it tries to detect a working host and ip address. No. I strongly suggest that you stop trying to write software that transmits data across tcp/ip networks until you understand how tcp/ip networks function. This NG is not a networking for dummies course. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 4:52 πμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε: Hi Nikos, I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put into your question. Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do improt os first or it wont work., When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start caring about the answers I give you. On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:54:48 -0700, Ferrous Cranus wrote: try: # prepare mail data FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com' TO = nikos.gr...@gmail.com SUBJECT = random_char( 50 ) MESSAGE = random_char( 500 ) os.system( echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s % (MESSAGE, FROM, SUBJECT, TO) ) print( h2font color=blue%sη αποστολή προς %s επετεύχθη!/font/h2 % (times, TO) ) except Exception as e: print( sendmail = , date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) ) sys.exit(0) Steven of course i have imported the 'os' module. I try to send mail from different FROM filed just like as a visitor guest will use the webform to compete his own email. but since you ask here is the whole code with the function displayed too. #= # if html form is submitted then send user mail #= def random_char( y, chars=string.ascii_uppercase + string.digits ): return ''.join( random.choice(chars) for x in range(y) ) for times in range(0, 1): try: # prepare mail data FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com' TO = nikos.gr...@gmail.com SUBJECT = random_char( 50 ) MESSAGE = random_char( 500 ) os.system( echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s % (MESSAGE, FROM, SUBJECT, TO) ) print( h2font color=blue%sη αποστολή προς %s επετεύχθη!/font/h2 % (times, TO) ) except Exception as e: print( sendmail = , date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) ) sys.exit(0) == Is there a way to avoid the hostname and the ip address from being revealed when i'am sending an email? Because the mails finally got delivered to my gmail account after many hours of delay, and in the headers they are detailes like hostname and ip address of my server which i dont want to be revealed. i can alter FROM, TO, subject, message can i also alter the hostname fo the server the the mail derived from? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef: Hi Nikos, I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put into your question. Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do improt os first or it wont work., When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start caring about the answers I give you. And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you too can contribute in a careless manner? -- Antoon Pardon -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef: Hi Nikos, I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put into your question. Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do improt os first or it wont work., When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start caring about the answers I give you. And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you too can contribute in a careless manner? bceause its funnyer that way? Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately, nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people will read this than just the OP, which is why I still respond to jmf about Unicode even though I know he isn't listening. It's worth it for the hundreds (thousands? millions? Maybe even more?) of other people who'll read and learn. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: instead of showing us all that you too can contribute in a careless manner? Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 10:29 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef: Hi Nikos, I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put into your question. Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do improt os first or it wont work., When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start caring about the answers I give you. And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you too can contribute in a careless manner? My question is not careless. I have stated exactly the problem and shown relevant code of what i'm trying to accomplish. 1 have almost 10 responses and not even one of them is being a proper answer to my initial question. My question is clear. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Op 16-09-13 09:44, Chris Angelico schreef: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef: Hi Nikos, I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put into your question. Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do improt os first or it wont work., When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start caring about the answers I give you. And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you too can contribute in a careless manner? bceause its funnyer that way? Funny for who? Personnaly I was rather amused by some of the reactions that Nikos received and that were ill received by some people here. So why should your of steve's fun trump my amusment? Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately, nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people will read this than just the OP, I didn't complain about his respons being public. -- Antoon Pardon -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately, nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people will read this than just the OP, I didn't complain about his respons being public. http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing Sometimes, things are better said than not-said. In fact, that's *often* true. Maybe it's unpleasant for the person the jab is aimed at; maybe it feels awkward for you, as an onlooker. But for the good of python-list, Nikos has to be told that putting minimal effort into his questions is a bad thing, and if you're going to say that, may as well say it in a funny way. Plus, Steven was making a solid point, too. So if you want Nikos to be ignored by anyone who can't be completely friendly, what you'll end up with is materially less content on the list. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: instead of showing us all that you too can contribute in a careless manner? Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point. So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like it was carelessly written. Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that. If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him? -- Antoon Pardon -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: instead of showing us all that you too can contribute in a careless manner? Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point. So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like it was carelessly written. It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's different from actual carelessness. Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that. If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him? In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the latter IMO. You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means. I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to either, to make a point; and history will confirm this. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: instead of showing us all that you too can contribute in a careless manner? Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point. So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like it was carelessly written. It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's different from actual carelessness. The question is, should they care about that difference. The end result is a contribution that is just as hard to read. Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that. If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him? In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the latter IMO. And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this? You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means. Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making a point as if that in itself was sufficient. I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to either, to make a point; and history will confirm this. No it doesn't. -- Antoon Pardon -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef: It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's different from actual carelessness. The question is, should they care about that difference. The end result is a contribution that is just as hard to read. Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual one? And is it as much of a problem to the list? In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the latter IMO. And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this? We shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well. You may well disagree. You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means. Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making a point as if that in itself was sufficient. Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled out? I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to either, to make a point; and history will confirm this. No it doesn't. No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do so. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Op 16-09-13 10:48, Chris Angelico schreef: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef: It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's different from actual carelessness. The question is, should they care about that difference. The end result is a contribution that is just as hard to read. Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual one? And is it as much of a problem to the list? Do you think improt is easier to read when written so deliberatly instead of out of carelessness? In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the latter IMO. And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this? We shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well. You may well disagree. Why do you keep introducing your personal appreciations while at the same time you admit they don't carry much weight. You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means. Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making a point as if that in itself was sufficient. Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled out? Your context adds nothing. The only thing that the context would add, is that in this specific case you think that the end justifies the means but it doesn't explain in any way on what grounds you think so. Those that took Nikos to task earlier for his behaviour probably though their end justified the means too. So yes, if you don't want to give the impression that you are simply ad hoccing what you personnally don't have a problem with, you'd better spell a few things out. I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to either, to make a point; and history will confirm this. No it doesn't. No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do so. You behaved in a way some people clearly thought of a questionable. So for those people you have established you are prepared to exhibit questionable behaviour to make your point. So I think there are a number of people who will think of you as not trustable enough to withhold the behaviour in question here, when you think it would be necessary to make your point. -- Antoon Pardon -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 12:40 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 16-09-13 10:48, Chris Angelico schreef: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef: It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's different from actual carelessness. The question is, should they care about that difference. The end result is a contribution that is just as hard to read. Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual one? And is it as much of a problem to the list? Do you think improt is easier to read when written so deliberatly instead of out of carelessness? In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you also gain (or lose) points for style. Steven scored plenty of the latter IMO. And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this? We shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well. You may well disagree. Why do you keep introducing your personal appreciations while at the same time you admit they don't carry much weight. You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I believe that making a point is sufficient justification for what Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies any kind of means. Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making a point as if that in itself was sufficient. Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled out? Your context adds nothing. The only thing that the context would add, is that in this specific case you think that the end justifies the means but it doesn't explain in any way on what grounds you think so. Those that took Nikos to task earlier for his behaviour probably though their end justified the means too. So yes, if you don't want to give the impression that you are simply ad hoccing what you personnally don't have a problem with, you'd better spell a few things out. I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to either, to make a point; and history will confirm this. No it doesn't. No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do so. You behaved in a way some people clearly thought of a questionable. So for those people you have established you are prepared to exhibit questionable behaviour to make your point. So I think there are a number of people who will think of you as not trustable enough to withhold the behaviour in question here, when you think it would be necessary to make your point. Look, i want this to stop. Open your own thread and discuss this if you like. This is a thread i opened for a specific question and all i see its irrelevant answers. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Look, i want this to stop. Open your own thread and discuss this if you like. This is a thread i opened for a specific question and all i see its irrelevant answers. Hi Ferrous, The problem is not in your Python code. You can debug it from the command line by typing the 'echo ... | mailx' command your Python code is executing. Somewhere on your local SMTP or on Google's SMTP, your message is not being processed the way you want it. There are many things that could cause this -- SPF, DKIM, reverse DNS not being correct, the From address being 'faked', or one of about a hunderd other factors. It's most likely an issue in your local SMTP server's configuration. You'll have to dive into the logs and do some research on how SMTP works nowadays to find out what's happening. But think about this: if I could send mail as nikos.gr...@gmail.com, just by typing a shell command, how could we ever trust e-mail to be from who it really is? What if I send mail as barack.ob...@whitehouse.gov? What you're doing may look like spam from Google's point of view, and that's why I think you're not receiving the message. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:06:06 +0200, Joost Molenaar wrote: It's most likely an issue in your local SMTP server's configuration. I'm not convinced about that. All the evidence is that OPs local mta delivers the message to google. I think the issue is that google are deciding the message is junk and dropping it in the bit recycling bin. This is just as likely to be a feature of the random_char(50) subject and random_char(500) message text as it is any local mta settings. I have no idea what OPs random_char(x) does, but I also see no proof it doesn't insert data that's illegal in subject or body. Even if it creates a wholly valid message subject and body, it might look like something spammy to google. starttls suggests that whatever his mta is, it's using some form of auth to communicate with gmail. It looks like his mail is delivered to the google servers. If he's trying to prove communication works, he might be better off using a message subject of test and a message body of this is a test message. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Στις 16/9/2013 2:21 μμ, ο/η Denis McMahon έγραψε: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:06:06 +0200, Joost Molenaar wrote: It's most likely an issue in your local SMTP server's configuration. I'm not convinced about that. All the evidence is that OPs local mta delivers the message to google. I think the issue is that google are deciding the message is junk and dropping it in the bit recycling bin. This is just as likely to be a feature of the random_char(50) subject and random_char(500) message text as it is any local mta settings. I have no idea what OPs random_char(x) does, but I also see no proof it doesn't insert data that's illegal in subject or body. Even if it creates a wholly valid message subject and body, it might look like something spammy to google. starttls suggests that whatever his mta is, it's using some form of auth to communicate with gmail. It looks like his mail is delivered to the google servers. If he's trying to prove communication works, he might be better off using a message subject of test and a message body of this is a test message. Hello Denis and thanks for dropping into the conversation. here is the code again with the random function definition: # = # if html form is submitted then send user mail # = def random_char( y, chars=string.ascii_uppercase + string.digits ): return ''.join( random.choice(chars) for x in range(y) ) for times in range(0, 10): try: # prepare mail data FROM = random_char(8) + '@' + random_char(5) + '.com' TO = nkou...@ath.forthnet.gr SUBJECT = random_char( 50 ) MESSAGE = random_char( 500 ) os.system( echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s % (MESSAGE, FROM, SUBJECT, TO) ) print( h2font color=blue%sη αποστολή προς %s επετεύχθη!/font/h2 % (times, TO) ) except Exception as e: print( sendmail = , date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) ) sys.exit(0) = i have sent 10 mails to my personal Google account and i though they were never get delivered but it seems that every half an hour or so, one-by-one come into appearance into my GMail account which i access via Thunderbird! I don't know whats delaying them so long but they do come. What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. I will show you an example when one more mail arrive into my gmail account. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:21, schrieb Denis McMahon: If he's trying to prove communication works, he might be better off using a message subject of test and a message body of this is a test message. Generally, he might be best off if he didn't use os.system() with string-interpolated (without escaping or any such) and user-specified (!) parameters to send out the mail using mailx though a sub-shell. This begs of using his mailer script for code injection as his web-server user, and I'm amazed that nobody has commented on that so far. - -- - --- Heiko. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSNuxTAAoJEDMqpHf921/Sd8IH/2BcapK/dNqbs/PDz3LZLiUS JYYmNaWSjui7KYJsA/A8R3XVaM0eyHkYI8dr8Jx6hPdPJyeE27MCKddF3GlYs17Z iO1AydR2J8kYjXgVLrCWtfH3taB6ryUko6sOe1j/u0hYbQOATxuBPvxTVK4Wmi85 1m8unw9NvlTelAREg6WLudqpE9i115dns87+FTNcgNd3ieppJw+Cv2Mp6z3Yn3he y0W9yMqH1LV4oW/6arZVVIcaWDHCb1I0L++aC8JLnOHYz1osf+34BbHHBcY6Qkty reon+sWKwrlJ56o8Zi1Lx97ymxXxuvUtJS/5WGpRh/XLWYVBGCX3XA42DKqscQk= =xENG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain about is inserted by Google mail servers. - -- - --- Heiko. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSNu8bAAoJEDMqpHf921/SFjwH/RXH79ynaWTkdeYWc3koAPvv wQJKaiYy0FMJgV0JoZqWcg6xc/gEfoyBVvMlxTjSI9Jq44Ay6p3xYl4mCV9Oxplc nx3SD8XKE6HV8H8cdUE+MAVxcI4mhz43so6yG7vWFJskuKZMC4zCwnP3F2Wt3zNK EpgYyyKSCG+5KOhnOryw3lVQ0qlsqp02/cEQbn3iWtoe5ojh8qFr+bHL1vs02gtK 16YgKXre+69ne1hs4Hcyj1OKzYHU+YJmP6WTbdIXFXv1ujS3pf0vjpPWLX8f02Y1 n0HHBL0hWvm9+rbxYXera75jQUqY0v042fDjajhKNa/Sq36OBeoW6vt5hysDBxc= =4HLT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain about is inserted by Google mail servers. true. Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the contact. Correct? But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that initiated the connection? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 14:11, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that initiated the connection? Why on earth would you want to do that? Mail routing headers are there for a reason. - -- - --- Heiko. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSNvbTAAoJEDMqpHf921/SUMoH/2iX9pw0DiOWqHzAj1igbswY tlQVigpz8eprFpsl84JW0+NAOFcpy65VdmwynJ57+qhHvChpdygGoNYjtStP37nF oYbMNHs2gRA+dbhl3xxjedGgIzQinGM7aiy+7ZGU/KIGHorMykV0eUDQaObklFNb oepbNMu1yo2U2PWyBHxlH8iehyECFdeKfLRJX6YrkT5jSS7EKKn6UuaCLKRMYJNN sClGe4J5x5GnIsPtPSWK73rdmYtY/vLmM9P4tDKCBAJvdW5nU52EXLlMNzWu8lPS wvg6bor1/meYPxfzIcmIvKTiYZ+omkmQ8iPkOGEupPCKp8SRB9J2iq8nQA0mYo4= =1cDc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef: Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain about is inserted by Google mail servers. true. Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the contact. Correct? But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that initiated the connection? No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse DNS to report the real hostname of your computer. -- Antoon Pardon -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef: Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain about is inserted by Google mail servers. true. Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the contact. Correct? But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that initiated the connection? No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse DNS to report the real hostname of your computer. We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values so that google will use them too. It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both values will be not true. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef: Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain about is inserted by Google mail servers. true. Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the contact. Correct? But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that initiated the connection? No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse DNS to report the real hostname of your computer. Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to be used when sending mail: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Can these be remoevd when i send mail? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 7:15 μμ, ο/η Ferrous Cranus έγραψε: Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef: Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain about is inserted by Google mail servers. true. Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the contact. Correct? But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that initiated the connection? No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse DNS to report the real hostname of your computer. Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to be used when sending mail: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Can these be remoevd when i send mail? and this too: Received: from nikos by my.superhost.gr with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from i6zkg...@mail.org) id 1VLam4-0004nG-TJ I wish this not to be displayed. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef: Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain about is inserted by Google mail servers. true. Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the contact. Correct? But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that initiated the connection? No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse DNS to report the real hostname of your computer. Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to be used when sending mail: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Can these be remoevd when i send mail? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list You realize that removing those headers will, in all likelihood, make Google reject your mail and refuse to either forward or deliver it. They have been added to reduce spam, and the more you attempt to obfuscate your header information, the more you make your mail look exactly like spam. -Bill -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:23:15 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to be used when sending mail: X-AntiAbuse: ... and this too: Received: .. This is probably your mta, not python, see your mta config. OFF TOPIC IN comp.lang.python -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:02:20 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values so that google will use them too. It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both values will be not true. It may however detect that your are presenting an ip and or hostname that does not match the host you are connecting with, and increase the spf score on the messages to the point that the messages get rejected either in the google mta or downstream due to their spf score. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Denis McMahon denismfmcma...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:02:20 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values so that google will use them too. It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both values will be not true. It may however detect that your are presenting an ip and or hostname that does not match the host you are connecting with, and increase the spf score on the messages to the point that the messages get rejected either in the google mta or downstream due to their spf score. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Nikos, You have to start with a historical perspective. Email was very open in the beginning of the internet. Before there were bad actors. Since that time, email has become the internet service most used for bad purposes, to deliver bad payloads, spoof people into visiting fake websites to induce them to give away private information, etc. So, the email services have gotten more particular about what they deem safe email in lots of different ways. If you want to do these various odd and misleading things to the emails you send out, you will have to understand how to 'beat the systems' that have been employed to stop that stuff. Having read your questions here for the last year(s) I don't believe this is an area in which you excel. You always want quick answers to questions that often show your complete lack basic understanding of the question domain. If you really want to plod along with this email spoofing, why not take a couple of weeks to read all about how email works on the internet, how email has been used to deliver viruses and spoofing schemes. After you understand that stuff well enough to show your competence in a forum where there are other email experts, as your questions there. As has been pointed out by several people here, your questions are not python language issues, they are issues relating to how email protocols work. So, study up and go to an email experts group and good luck! -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 8:53 μμ, ο/η William Ray Wing έγραψε: On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: Στις 16/9/2013 3:56 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 16-09-13 14:11, Ferrous Cranus schreef: Στις 16/9/2013 2:44 μμ, ο/η Heiko Wundram έγραψε: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Ferrous Cranus: What i want now is to be able to alter the hostname of my server so the mails wont indicate that they derive from superhost.gr as they aare now sen in the mail headers. There is no way to do that, as the Received:-header which you complain about is inserted by Google mail servers. true. Even if now i have stopped using Google's SMTP Server as a means for sending out mails and i have decided to use my local MTA instead, at the very moment Google's POP servers receive the mail they still add a RECEIVE header revealing the hostname of the server that initiated the contact. Correct? But even so, if we alter for example the hostname of our server to a different name then wouldn't Google use that to identify the server thus protecting the real identity(hostname that is) of the server that initiated the connection? No, google will probably find out that the name your server identifies with, will not correspond with the IP address it is connected to and will write a receive line that will reflect that fact, using reverse DNS to report the real hostname of your computer. Τhis si the headers i would like to delete because i dont want them to be used when sending mail: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Can these be remoevd when i send mail? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list You realize that removing those headers will, in all likelihood, make Google reject your mail and refuse to either forward or deliver it. They have been added to reduce spam, and the more you attempt to obfuscate your header information, the more you make your mail look exactly like spam. -Bill But i wish to try it, is there a way to try to remove them? For starters, does my MTA add them as additional headers to my mail or Google adds them by default ? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 16/9/2013 10:09 μμ, ο/η Denis McMahon έγραψε: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:02:20 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values so that google will use them too. It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both values will be not true. It may however detect that your are presenting an ip and or hostname that does not match the host you are connecting with, and increase the spf score on the messages to the point that the messages get rejected either in the google mta or downstream due to their spf score. We have to try it to know for sure. For example do ou know how can a later the hostname the MTA uses to identify the server? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:02:20 +0300, Ferrous Cranus wrote: We need to try it to see if it will work, or perhaps we can alter both the hostname and ip address variables on the server to some other values so that google will use them too. It will not detect the real hostname or the real ip this way since both values will be not true. Are you planning on sending spam? Or some other criminal activity? I cannot fathom for the life of me a legitimate reason for your website to use a fake IP address and hostname when sending email. -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On 2013-09-17 00:15, Ferrous Cranus wrote: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - my.superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - superhost.gr X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [500 501] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mail.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: my.superhost.gr: authenticated_id: nikos/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed For starters, does my MTA add them as additional headers to my mail or Google adds them by default ? Given that there are headers in there that know about your UID/GID, it has to be a locally-running process that adds them. No remote server (even as powerful as Gmail is) should/can know this legitimately without being told. Thus, it's clearly your local MTA. But i wish to try it, is there a way to try to remove them? You could manage your own SMTP connection. If only Python had some built in library that handled SMTP, that would be great! Then you would be able to instantiate some SMTP object, connect to another server, optionally authenticating, then send mail, and close the connection. That would be so awesome! :-D -tkc -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Since the From address is random, it most likely doesn't exist, which could be reason for Google's smtp server to reject the message or to deliver it to spam. Also, the reverse DNS for 84.200.17.58 does not resolve to secure.superhost.gr, which could also be reason to reject the message. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: try: # prepare mail data FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com' TO = nikos.gr...@gmail.com SUBJECT = random_char( 50 ) MESSAGE = random_char( 500 ) os.system( echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s % (MESSAGE, FROM, SUBJECT, TO) ) print( h2font color=blue%sη αποστολή προς %s επετεύχθη!/font/h2 % (times, TO) ) except Exception as e: print( sendmail = , date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) ) sys.exit(0) I'am still trying to send successfulyl a mail through my local host by using the local MTA, trying to avoid using GMail's SMTP server but the mail never gets send this is the error message: [code] ni...@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# python mail.py LOG: MAIN cwd=/home/nikos/public_html/cgi-bin 6 args: send-mail -i -v -r zyn1kgs...@jrv0cei7tx.com nikos.gr...@gmail.com LOG: MAIN = zyn1kgs...@jrv0cei7tx.com U=nikos P=local S=1052 id=5235d7f5.bzp0tuy4zqeop7dh%zyn1kgs...@jrv0cei7tx.com T=QOU0ULMZBF7RGG7B260YERPPXXLTVQ9WKJ93ZXYABQNNA0XB9I Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 h2font color=blue0η αποστολή προς nikos.gr...@gmail.com επετεύχθη!/font/h2 LOG: MAIN cwd=/var/spool/exim 4 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mc 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b delivering 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b ni...@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# LOG: MAIN SMTP connection outbound 1379260405 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b superhost.gr nikos.gr...@gmail.com Connecting to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26]:25 ... connected SMTP 220 mx.google.com ESMTP e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp SMTP EHLO secure.superhost.gr SMTP 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58] 250-SIZE 35882577 250-8BITMIME 250-STARTTLS 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250 CHUNKING SMTP STARTTLS SMTP 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS SMTP EHLO secure.superhost.gr SMTP 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58] 250-SIZE 35882577 250-8BITMIME 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250 CHUNKING SMTP MAIL FROM:zyn1kgs...@jrv0cei7tx.com SIZE=2090 SMTP 250 2.1.0 OK e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp SMTP RCPT TO:nikos.gr...@gmail.com SMTP 250 2.1.5 OK e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp SMTP DATA SMTP 354 Go ahead e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp SMTP writing message and terminating . SMTP 250 2.0.0 OK 1379260407 e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp SMTP QUIT LOG: MAIN = nikos.gr...@gmail.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26] X=TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 LOG: MAIN Completed [/code] Since all looks okey why the mail never gets delivered? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Στις 15/9/2013 9:59 μμ, ο/η Joost Molenaar έγραψε: Also, the reverse DNS for 84.200.17.58 does not resolve to secure.superhost.gr, which could also be reason to reject the message. How can i fix this please? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: Since all looks okey why the mail never gets delivered? This is not a Python question. If it were, I would be asking how you're getting _anywhere_ with that code, which appears to have IndentationErrors in it. You're also using os.system() with interpolated content. What _exactly_ is random_char() able to return? Is it possible for it to do the wrong thing there? ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Ferrous Cranus nikos.gr...@gmail.com wrote: Since all looks okey why the mail never gets delivered? This is not a Python question. If it were, I would be asking how you're getting _anywhere_ with that code, which appears to have IndentationErrors in it. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list This questions sounds like it should be asked of your hosting company. They may not allow there servers to be used this way. What have they told you? -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA
Hi Nikos, I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put into your question. Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do improt os first or it wont work., When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start caring about the answers I give you. On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:54:48 -0700, Ferrous Cranus wrote: try: # prepare mail data FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com' TO = nikos.gr...@gmail.com SUBJECT = random_char( 50 ) MESSAGE = random_char( 500 ) os.system( echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s % (MESSAGE, FROM, SUBJECT, TO) ) print( h2font color=blue%sη αποστολή προς %s επετεύχθη!/font/h2 % (times, TO) ) except Exception as e: print( sendmail = , date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) ) sys.exit(0) -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
