Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:25 PM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: So what's the bottom line? This link notion is completely at odds with XP, and produces what I would call something of a mess to the unwary Python/W7 user. Is there a simple solution? I know people went off on a tangent talking about symbolic links and hard links, but it is extremely unlikely that you created something like that by accident. Windows just doesn't create those without you doing quite a bit of extra work. It certainly doesn't create them when you drag drop files around through the normal interface. How do I get out of this pickle? I just want to duplicate the program in another folder, and not link to an ancestor. You need to dig into the technical details of what's happening on your hard drive. You say you copied a program from folder A to folder B. Can you describe, exactly, what steps you took? What was the file name of the program? Was it just one file, or a directory, or several files? What was the path to directory A? What is the the path to directory B? When you open a CMD window and do a dir of each directory, what exactly do you see? You've given a pretty non-technical description of the problem you're experiencing. If you want more than wild speculation, you'll need to give more specifics for people to help you with. My wild guess: you held down control and shift while copying your program. That's the keyboard command to create a shortcut instead of moving or copying a file. -- Jerry -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
Have you tried opening file explorer in administrative mode before performing the copy? I think if there isn't sufficient permissions, it does something weird like that. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
chris grebeldinger wrote: Have you tried opening file explorer in administrative mode before performing the copy? I think if there isn't sufficient permissions, it does something weird like that. No -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
Hi! Symbolic links are available in NTFS starting with Windows Vista. No. Hardlink come with NTFS, and already exists in W2K (and NT with specifics utilities). @-salutations -- Michel Claveau -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com writes: I noted that this search box has some sort of filter associated with it. Possibly, in my early stages of learning to navigate in Win7, I accidentally set the filter. Comments? FYI, the only truly reliable and powerful file search utility I've found for Windows is Agent Ransack (http://download.mythicsoft.com/agentran.exe) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Michel Claveau - MVP enleverlesx_xx...@xmclavxeaux.com.invalid wrote: Hi! Symbolic links are available in NTFS starting with Windows Vista. No. Hardlink come with NTFS, and already exists in W2K (and NT with specifics utilities). @-salutations -- Michel Claveau And there's a difference between hard links and symbolic links. Symbolic links were added to NTFS starting with Windows Vista. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365680%28VS.85%29.aspx -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:34:00 -0500, Jerry Hill wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:25 PM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: So what's the bottom line? This link notion is completely at odds with XP, and produces what I would call something of a mess to the unwary Python/W7 user. Is there a simple solution? I know people went off on a tangent talking about symbolic links and hard links, but it is extremely unlikely that you created something like that by accident. Windows just doesn't create those without you doing quite a bit of extra work. It certainly doesn't create them when you drag drop files around through the normal interface. I find it far more likely that Windows 7 makes it easy for the user to accidentally produce links rather than copies, rather than that Python suddenly has developed a bug where it opens a completely different file to the one you ask for. But more likely still is some confusion regarding paths. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:22 PM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. It inspects the contents of files in a folder. When I ran it in B, it gave the results for A! Out of frustration I changed the name in A, and fired up the program in B. Win7 went into search mode for the file. I looked at properties for the B program, and it was clearly pointing to folder A. Anyone have this happen to them? Another anomaly. I have the files track.py and trackstudy.py in the same folder along with 100 or so other py and txt data files. When I did a search from the folder window in the upper right corner, search only found one of the two. I called HP tech support about it, and they could see it for themselves via remote control. They had no idea, but agreed to contact MS. In this case, I noted that this search box has some sort of filter associated with it. Possibly, in my early stages of learning to navigate in Win7, I accidentally set the filter. Comments? I can't really see the python related problem here... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
W. eWatson wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. It inspects the contents of files in a folder. When I ran it in B, it gave the results for A! Out of frustration I changed the name in A, and fired up the program in B. Win7 went into search mode for the file. I looked at properties for the B program, and it was clearly pointing to folder A. Sounds like you didn't copy it but made a shortcut to it instead. Anyone have this happen to them? Another anomaly. I have the files track.py and trackstudy.py in the same folder along with 100 or so other py and txt data files. When I did a search from the folder window in the upper right corner, search only found one of the two. I called HP tech support about it, and they could see it for themselves via remote control. They had no idea, but agreed to contact MS. In this case, I noted that this search box has some sort of filter associated with it. Possibly, in my early stages of learning to navigate in Win7, I accidentally set the filter. Comments? Not Python-related. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On 2010-02-22, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. [tail of various windows breakages elided] Comments? Switch to Linux? Or at least install Cygwin? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Maybe I should have at asked for my Neutron Bomb visi.comin PAISLEY -- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
Programming is most fruiful in *nix environment. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalidwrote: On 2010-02-22, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. [tail of various windows breakages elided] Comments? Switch to Linux? Or at least install Cygwin? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Maybe I should have at asked for my Neutron Bomb visi.comin PAISLEY -- -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On 2/22/2010 8:29 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-02-22, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. [tail of various windows breakages elided] Comments? Switch to Linux? Or at least install Cygwin? Yes, definitely not related, but maybe some W7 user has a similar experience here. It seems a natural place to look, since it should be reasonably common. I have Cygwin. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
MRAB wrote: W. eWatson wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. It inspects the contents of files in a folder. When I ran it in B, it gave the results for A! Out of frustration I changed the name in A, and fired up the program in B. Win7 went into search mode for the file. I looked at properties for the B program, and it was clearly pointing to folder A. Sounds like you didn't copy it but made a shortcut to it instead. Windows 7 has symbolic links? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Gib Bogle g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz writes: MRAB wrote: W. eWatson wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. It inspects the contents of files in a folder. When I ran it in B, it gave the results for A! Out of frustration I changed the name in A, and fired up the program in B. Win7 went into search mode for the file. I looked at properties for the B program, and it was clearly pointing to folder A. Sounds like you didn't copy it but made a shortcut to it instead. Windows 7 has symbolic links? Symbolic links are designed to aid in migration and application compatibility with UNIX operating systems. Microsoft has implemented its symbolic links to function just like UNIX links. : Symbolic links are available in NTFS starting with Windows Vista. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365680(VS.85).aspx -- John Bokma j3b Hacking Hiking in Mexico - http://johnbokma.com/ http://castleamber.com/ - Perl Python Development -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On 2010-02-22, John Bokma j...@castleamber.com wrote: Gib Bogle g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz writes: MRAB wrote: W. eWatson wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. It inspects the contents of files in a folder. When I ran it in B, it gave the results for A! Out of frustration I changed the name in A, and fired up the program in B. Win7 went into search mode for the file. I looked at properties for the B program, and it was clearly pointing to folder A. Sounds like you didn't copy it but made a shortcut to it instead. Windows 7 has symbolic links? Symbolic links are designed to aid in migration and application compatibility with UNIX operating systems. Microsoft has implemented its symbolic links to function just like UNIX links. So symbolic links on W7 function like Unix (hard) links rather than Unix _symbolic_ links?? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is this sexual at intercourse yet?? Is it, visi.comhuh, is it?? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid writes: On 2010-02-22, John Bokma j...@castleamber.com wrote: Gib Bogle g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz writes: MRAB wrote: W. eWatson wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. It inspects the contents of files in a folder. When I ran it in B, it gave the results for A! Out of frustration I changed the name in A, and fired up the program in B. Win7 went into search mode for the file. I looked at properties for the B program, and it was clearly pointing to folder A. Sounds like you didn't copy it but made a shortcut to it instead. Windows 7 has symbolic links? Symbolic links are designed to aid in migration and application compatibility with UNIX operating systems. Microsoft has implemented its symbolic links to function just like UNIX links. So symbolic links on W7 function like Unix (hard) links rather than Unix _symbolic_ links?? Which leads you to this conclusion? According to http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365006(VS.85).aspx There are three types of file links supported in the NTFS file system: hard links, junctions, and symbolic links. This topic is an overview of hard links and junctions. For information about symbolic links, see Creating Symbolic Links. Creating Symbolic Links: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363878(VS.85).aspx -- John Bokma j3b Hacking Hiking in Mexico - http://johnbokma.com/ http://castleamber.com/ - Perl Python Development -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Bokma wrote: Gib Bogle g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz writes: MRAB wrote: W. eWatson wrote: Last night I copied a program from folder A to folder B. It inspects the contents of files in a folder. When I ran it in B, it gave the results for A! Out of frustration I changed the name in A, and fired up the program in B. Win7 went into search mode for the file. I looked at properties for the B program, and it was clearly pointing to folder A. Sounds like you didn't copy it but made a shortcut to it instead. Windows 7 has symbolic links? Symbolic links are designed to aid in migration and application compatibility with UNIX operating systems. Microsoft has implemented its symbolic links to function just like UNIX links. : Symbolic links are available in NTFS starting with Windows Vista. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365680(VS.85).aspx That explains my ignorance of this (excellent) development. I'm still using W2K and XP. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On 2010-02-22, John Bokma j...@castleamber.com wrote: Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid writes: Windows 7 has symbolic links? Symbolic links are designed to aid in migration and application compatibility with UNIX operating systems. Microsoft has implemented its symbolic links to function just like UNIX links. So symbolic links on W7 function like Unix (hard) links rather than Unix _symbolic_ links?? Which leads you to this conclusion? The quote above that says that symbolic links on W7 function just like links on Unix. A link on Unix is a hard link. I presumed that if they meant symbolic links on Unix, they would have said symbolic links. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! What a COINCIDENCE! at I'm an authorized SNOOTS visi.comOF THE STARS dealer!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
In message mailman.60.1266854492.4577.python-l...@python.org, MRAB wrote: Not Python-related. Seems to be pretty common with Windows-related complaints in this group. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
In message 873a0tszco@castleamber.com, John Bokma wrote: According to http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365006(VS.85).aspx There are three types of file links supported in the NTFS file system: hard links, junctions, and symbolic links. This topic is an overview of hard links and junctions. “Junctions” sound like Linux/Unix “mount points”, plus Linux-style “bind mounts”. Except of course Dimdows puts it all into the NTFS-specific implementation, instead of at the virtual filesystem layer. So whereas Linux can handle these while letting you mix and match different filesystem types (ext3, XFS, even FAT32, etc), Windows cannot. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
So what's the bottom line? This link notion is completely at odds with XP, and produces what I would call something of a mess to the unwary Python/W7 user. Is there a simple solution? How do I get out of this pickle? I just want to duplicate the program in another folder, and not link to an ancestor. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:25 PM, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: How do I get out of this pickle? I just want to duplicate the program in another folder, and not link to an ancestor. Ask in an appropriate forum. I'm not sure where that is but you might try http://www.sevenforums.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On 2/22/2010 6:39 PM, David Robinow wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:25 PM, W. eWatsonwolftra...@invalid.com wrote: How do I get out of this pickle? I just want to duplicate the program in another folder, and not link to an ancestor. Ask in an appropriate forum. I'm not sure where that is but you might try http://www.sevenforums.com/ Not in my NG list. If the way this is going is that it occurs on W7, not just in my case, then it will impact many Python users. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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* W. eWatson: So what's the bottom line? This link notion is completely at odds with XP, Well, Windows NT has always had *hardlinks*. g I found it a bit baffling that that functionality is documented as not implemented for Windows in the Python standard library. But OK, it was non-trivial to do prior to Windows 2000; you had to sort of hack it using the backup APIs since the functionality was not exposed through the ordinary file APIs. and produces what I would call something of a mess to the unwary Python/W7 user. Is there a simple solution? How do I get out of this pickle? I just want to duplicate the program in another folder, and not link to an ancestor. Copy and paste. Cheers hth., - Alf -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On 2/22/2010 8:50 PM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote: * W. eWatson: So what's the bottom line? This link notion is completely at odds with XP, Well, Windows NT has always had *hardlinks*. g I found it a bit baffling that that functionality is documented as not implemented for Windows in the Python standard library. But OK, it was non-trivial to do prior to Windows 2000; you had to sort of hack it using the backup APIs since the functionality was not exposed through the ordinary file APIs. and produces what I would call something of a mess to the unwary Python/W7 user. Is there a simple solution? How do I get out of this pickle? I just want to duplicate the program in another folder, and not link to an ancestor. Copy and paste. Cheers hth., - Alf I thought that's what I did. Is there some other way? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
On 2/22/2010 8:50 PM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote: * W. eWatson: So what's the bottom line? This link notion is completely at odds with XP, Well, Windows NT has always had *hardlinks*. g I found it a bit baffling that that functionality is documented as not implemented for Windows in the Python standard library. But OK, it was non-trivial to do prior to Windows 2000; you had to sort of hack it using the backup APIs since the functionality was not exposed through the ordinary file APIs. and produces what I would call something of a mess to the unwary Python/W7 user. Is there a simple solution? How do I get out of this pickle? I just want to duplicate the program in another folder, and not link to an ancestor. Copy and paste. Cheers hth., - Alf Alf? Hello,Norway. My wife is Norwegian and that was her father's name. I thought that's what I did. Is there some other way? Tusin Tak (That's about the size of my vocabulary and spelling ability! 1000 thanks. What is the correct spelling?) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: What's Going on between Python and win7?
* W. eWatson: On 2/22/2010 8:50 PM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote: * W. eWatson: So what's the bottom line? This link notion is completely at odds with XP, Well, Windows NT has always had *hardlinks*. g I found it a bit baffling that that functionality is documented as not implemented for Windows in the Python standard library. But OK, it was non-trivial to do prior to Windows 2000; you had to sort of hack it using the backup APIs since the functionality was not exposed through the ordinary file APIs. and produces what I would call something of a mess to the unwary Python/W7 user. Is there a simple solution? How do I get out of this pickle? I just want to duplicate the program in another folder, and not link to an ancestor. Copy and paste. Cheers hth., - Alf Alf? Hello,Norway. My wife is Norwegian and that was her father's name. I thought that's what I did. Is there some other way? (A) For using Explorer, see url: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/Copy-and-paste-a-file and in particular look at the tips at the bottom. (B) To get absolute control you can use the command interpreter. I don't have Windows7 but googling yielded the following URL: url: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/947-command-prompt.html The copy command there copies files. Tusin Tak (That's about the size of my vocabulary and spelling ability! 1000 thanks. What is the correct spelling?) That's tusen takk. Cheers hth., - Alf -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
