Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
On Feb 02, 2005, at 02:10, alex23 wrote: Which bits especially impress you, the rampant misogyny or the unwarranted intellectual arrogance? A bit of both, really. "Barbie Anthropology" http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/20030919_barbie.html Cheers -- PA, Onnay Equitursay http://alt.textdrive.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
alex23 wrote: > Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: > > I kind of like this guy... it's like he has a few bugs in his brain, > > but other parts are surprisingly interesting. > > Which bits especially impress you, the rampant misogyny or the > unwarranted intellectual arrogance? I didn't say that I'm "impressed". I just said that some things he says are somewhat interesting, funny and weird. I think he, as character, is a little bit excentric and far from nornal, but he is absolutely harmless. And to tell you the truth, I don't understand the animosity and aggressiveness demonstrated against him. Those who are offended by his posts, should just go ahead and read someone else's posts intead of starting World War III. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: > I kind of like this guy... it's like he has a few bugs in his brain, > but other parts are surprisingly interesting. Which bits especially impress you, the rampant misogyny or the unwarranted intellectual arrogance? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: Peter Hansen wrote: Arthur wrote: And the rules of the game, if he shows? Arthur, if Xah Lee shows up at Pycon, he most definitely will not be giving the best impression... Have you visited his website? I kind of like this guy... it's like he has a few bugs in his brain, but other parts are surprisingly interesting. Yes I have, though that's not really relevant to my point, which was (in effect) that if he shows up still claiming to be qualified to discuss Python -- such as how the tutorial is not a tutorial, while his is -- then he would definitely not make any better impression than he's made here. It was also, though perhaps not successfully, and attempt at humour, with a pun based on the double meaning of the word "impression" in English. But, yes, I visited the site. And it saddened me in several ways. :-( I did not see (nor looked for) the "curves" page, which from the sounds of it would do much to redeem the fellow, if only he could learn and practice certain social skills.** -Peter ** Such as not massively cross-posting. And others... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
"Luis M. Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Have you visited his website? > I kind of like this guy... it's like he has a few bugs in his brain, > but other parts are surprisingly interesting. I kind of like him too. I hope he manages to find a babe! As human conditions go, normalcy is *highly* overrated.. Thomas Bartkus -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
Peter Hansen wrote: > Arthur wrote: > > Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Would there, I wonder, be any enthusiasm for a "Best Xah Lee impression" > >>prize at PyCon? > > > > And the rules of the game, if he shows? > > Arthur, if Xah Lee shows up at Pycon, he most definitely will > not be giving the best impression... > > -Peter Have you visited his website? I kind of like this guy... it's like he has a few bugs in his brain, but other parts are surprisingly interesting. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
Arthur wrote: Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would there, I wonder, be any enthusiasm for a "Best Xah Lee impression" prize at PyCon? And the rules of the game, if he shows? Arthur, if Xah Lee shows up at Pycon, he most definitely will not be giving the best impression... -Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
Steve Holden wrote: Would there, I wonder, be any enthusiasm for a "Best Xah Lee impression" prize at PyCon? I imagine standing in a corner, facing the wall, and screaming incoherently at the top of your lungs would be guaranteed at least second place. -- Erik Max Francis && [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA, USA && 37 20 N 121 53 W && AIM erikmaxfrancis You've got me wondering / If you know that I am wondering about you -- India Arie -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:40:40 -0500, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Tragi-comic. really. BTW you forgot cross-post to c.l.scheme, C, >> smalltalk and C++ >> >Would there, I wonder, be any enthusiasm for a "Best Xah Lee impression" >prize at PyCon? And the rules of the game, if he shows? I guess "no ringers", would have to be the rule. Art -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tragi-comic. really. BTW you forgot cross-post to c.l.scheme, C, smalltalk and C++ Would there, I wonder, be any enthusiasm for a "Best Xah Lee impression" prize at PyCon? regards Steve -- Steve Holden http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/ Holden Web LLC +1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
Tragi-comic. really. BTW you forgot cross-post to c.l.scheme, C, smalltalk and C++ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
Eric Pederson wrote:
From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Not sure how Xah got himself into all this.
One can easily see that Java programmers are geeks who secretly wanted to make the
football team and are now trying to conform, ignoring their language's critical lack of
Prolog syntax. Python coders, similarly, do not recognize that they may be violating
several open source patents each time they write: "class(Object):", and both
languages may become unusable when the Government changes the inheritance tax.
Rather than throw stones or make fun, all but the closet Republicans should
examine how poor Xah came to such a state of misunderstanding IPv8, and try to
help him.
From Aahz tag line we have a clue:
"19. A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming,is
not worth knowing." --Alan Perlis
Further understanding will require research. Was it Perl that did this to Mr. Lee's
brain, or perhaps it was trying to ascertain the web services "standard"? Was
it a massive PHP program that simply grew beyond comprehendability and blew all normal
circuits? Or perhaps an attempt to jump straight from Fortran 77 into Ruby?
Perhaps we will never know the cause, but surely when the ill come to us we
must prescribe something.
Ah, perhaps if he will join us in a song we will all be OK:
Python Choir:
Lee's a lumberjack, and he's OK,
He codes all night and he posts all day.
XL:
I cut down trees, I eat my lunch,
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shopping,
And have buttered scones for tea.
Python Choir:
Lee cuts down trees, He eats his lunch,
He goes to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he goes shopping,
And have buttered scones for tea.
Lees a lumberjack, and he's OK,
He codes all night and he posts all day.
XL:
I cut down trees, I skip and jump,
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing,
And hang around in bars.
Python Choir:
Lee cuts down trees, he skips and jumps,
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around In bars???
Well. At least I feel better. For now.
/Eric - sentenced to re-learn and write an application in Perl 5.0
What will that do to my mind?
http://www.songzilla.blogspot.com
:::
domainNot="@something.com"
domainIs=domainNot.replace("s","z")
ePrefix="".join([chr(ord(x)+1) for x in "do"])
mailMeAt=ePrefix+domainIs
:::
oh great... now you just legend-ized him on this group forever :(
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Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
> From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Not sure how Xah got himself into all this.
One can easily see that Java programmers are geeks who secretly wanted to make
the football team and are now trying to conform, ignoring their language's
critical lack of Prolog syntax. Python coders, similarly, do not recognize
that they may be violating several open source patents each time they write:
"class(Object):", and both languages may become unusable when the Government
changes the inheritance tax.
Rather than throw stones or make fun, all but the closet Republicans should
examine how poor Xah came to such a state of misunderstanding IPv8, and try to
help him.
>From Aahz tag line we have a clue:
"19. A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming,is
not worth knowing." Â--Alan Perlis
Further understanding will require research. Was it Perl that did this to Mr.
Lee's brain, or perhaps it was trying to ascertain the web services "standard"?
Was it a massive PHP program that simply grew beyond comprehendability and
blew all normal circuits? Or perhaps an attempt to jump straight from Fortran
77 into Ruby?
Perhaps we will never know the cause, but surely when the ill come to us we
must prescribe something.
Ah, perhaps if he will join us in a song we will all be OK:
Python Choir:
Lee's a lumberjack, and he's OK,
He codes all night and he posts all day.
XL:
I cut down trees, I eat my lunch,
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shopping,
And have buttered scones for tea.
Python Choir:
Lee cuts down trees, He eats his lunch,
He goes to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he goes shopping,
And have buttered scones for tea.
Lees a lumberjack, and he's OK,
He codes all night and he posts all day.
XL:
I cut down trees, I skip and jump,
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing,
And hang around in bars.
Python Choir:
Lee cuts down trees, he skips and jumps,
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around In bars???
Well. At least I feel better. For now.
/Eric - sentenced to re-learn and write an application in Perl 5.0
What will that do to my mind?
http://www.songzilla.blogspot.com
:::
domainNot="@something.com"
domainIs=domainNot.replace("s","z")
ePrefix="".join([chr(ord(x)+1) for x in "do"])
mailMeAt=ePrefix+domainIs
:::
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Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:41:00 +0100, PA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Jan 29, 2005, at 15:32, rbt wrote: > >> Unix donkey! You not elegant. You have poor design. >> Sloppy Perl monkey! You be lazy! You code very very bad. >> >> Xah know all! > >Follow The True Path, follow The Xah Way To Enlightenment: > >"The Unix Pestilence" >http://www.xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/freebooks.html > >Cheers Not sure how Xah got himself into all this. When I actually read the substance of Xah's articles like the one referenced above, and ignore the stuff in Red, I don't find it all that bizarre - or uninformative. He links to substantive resources. He has postive things to say about lots of things, including Python. Guess I am prejudiced by the fact that I have always enjoyed his plane curve pages, and after David Eppsteins Geometry Junkyard and a few others, consider it one of the more interesting web resources in respect to geometry. I knew of him for this, well before I knew of him as the Usenet character he is. Wish he would do himself the favor of better separating he various "interests". One can google on "plane curves", and the first hit will be Xah's site. I certainly find it interesting and well done. On the other hand, if one goes by way of his home page, one is greeted first with a vitriolic message expressing a sentiment not all that uncommon but not very relevant to the substance of much of what is to be found at the site. Oh well. Art -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
On Jan 29, 2005, at 15:32, rbt wrote: Unix donkey! You not elegant. You have poor design. Sloppy Perl monkey! You be lazy! You code very very bad. Xah know all! Follow The True Path, follow The Xah Way To Enlightenment: "The Unix Pestilence" http://www.xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/freebooks.html Cheers -- PA, Onnay Equitursay http://alt.textdrive.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:05:55 +0530, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > For sometime now, I have just been a passive lurker on this > list. Of late I saw an increase in the number of posts by Xah Lee, and > I have to admit, what he lacks in understanding of the various > programming languages he talks about, he makes up for in creativity. > So, I was wondering, how would it be to be Mr Lee. That got me > thinking of his next post. Well, I know through my days of lurking > around, a lot of people here love creative challenges ...so here's one > for you. Write up the next Xah Lee post ! The requirement are: > a) The post should talk about a single language, although the example > code needn't adhere to that restriction. > b) It should explain the style, structure and design of some code > snippet/program, though not necessarily of the same code > snippet/program mentioned in the post. > c) Should be written in English ... respect to English grammar is not > mandatory. > d) It *must* be flammable. If you need to do more research for the posting style, I recommend the following links: http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Static/author/authorProfile.asp?searchfor=xah%40xahlee.org http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22Xah+Lee%22 Interesting to note that xah posted as far back as '02 asking for help with python, as he was porting perl web applications. Which leads me to conclude he is not a beginner being stupid, but somone who has been around long enough to know better. Stephen. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
Steve wrote: Hi All, For sometime now, I have just been a passive lurker on this list. Of late I saw an increase in the number of posts by Xah Lee, and I have to admit, what he lacks in understanding of the various programming languages he talks about, he makes up for in creativity. So, I was wondering, how would it be to be Mr Lee. That got me thinking of his next post. Well, I know through my days of lurking around, a lot of people here love creative challenges ...so here's one for you. Write up the next Xah Lee post... Unix donkey! You not elegant. You have poor design. Sloppy Perl monkey! You be lazy! You code very very bad. Xah know all! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
On Jan 29, 2005, at 14:35, Steve wrote: Here's my contribution (tho' I'm not really in my most creative frame of mind): Not being very creative myself, here is a contribution "by proxy": "Unlike Java programmers, who are hip on the outside, dreary conformists on the inside, Smalltalk programmers are a bunch of faded flower children who listen to Mantovani and the Star Wars soundtrack. They are 68% more likely to be Clinton supporters and 94% of them laughed when Bob Dole fell down in the last election campaign. Most Smalltalk programmers smoke weak pot and hide their stash from their kids (who are Java programmers)." -- Steve Wart, why Smalltalk never caught on http://hoho.dyndns.org/~holger/smalltalk.html Cheers -- PA, Onnay Equitursay http://alt.textdrive.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: The next Xah-lee post contest
On Jan 29, 2005, at 14:35, Steve wrote: Write up the next Xah Lee post ! The requirement are: a) The post should talk about a single language, although the example code needn't adhere to that restriction. b) It should explain the style, structure and design of some code snippet/program, though not necessarily of the same code snippet/program mentioned in the post. c) Should be written in English ... respect to English grammar is not mandatory. d) It *must* be flammable. Oh, my... this is going to be so much fun 8^) Here's my contribution (tho' I'm not really in my most creative frame of mind): Master the ways of the Xah, young Steve: "Pathetically Elational Regex Language, aka Pathological Euphoric Retching Language (A commentary on Perl)" http://www.xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/perlr.html Cheers -- PA, Onnay Equitursay http://alt.textdrive.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
The next Xah-lee post contest
Hi All,
For sometime now, I have just been a passive lurker on this
list. Of late I saw an increase in the number of posts by Xah Lee, and
I have to admit, what he lacks in understanding of the various
programming languages he talks about, he makes up for in creativity.
So, I was wondering, how would it be to be Mr Lee. That got me
thinking of his next post. Well, I know through my days of lurking
around, a lot of people here love creative challenges ...so here's one
for you. Write up the next Xah Lee post ! The requirement are:
a) The post should talk about a single language, although the example
code needn't adhere to that restriction.
b) It should explain the style, structure and design of some code
snippet/program, though not necessarily of the same code
snippet/program mentioned in the post.
c) Should be written in English ... respect to English grammar is not mandatory.
d) It *must* be flammable.
Here's my contribution (tho' I'm not really in my most creative frame of mind):
--
perl is fucked ! Its a language named with a word that can't even pass
through spell-checker. What kind of programming language has a scalar
variable but the array is not called vector ...it is array. Also the
list comprehension feature of the language is entirely anal. Example
$list = { i for i in range(100) }
now is $list a function ?? No it's is an array .
--
..phew, this is hard !! I'll have another go later. You are welcomed
to participate.
Regards
Steve
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