Troll? was: Re: goto statement
Maxim Kasimov wrote: by the way, goto statement will be useful for writing more powerful obfuscators Let me get that clear: you want a goto to help with debugging. And you want to obfuscate your code even more? !? Perhaps you need to write in Perl, or some other similar language. Writing in Python is for those that seek clarity (not obfuscation) and less bugs. Which is why a goto statement should definitely never be part of Python! André -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Troll? was: Re: goto statement
André Roberge wrote: Maxim Kasimov wrote: by the way, goto statement will be useful for writing more powerful obfuscators Let me get that clear: you want a goto to help with debugging. And you want to obfuscate your code even more? !? Perhaps you need to write in Perl, or some other similar language. Writing in Python is for those that seek clarity (not obfuscation) and less bugs. Which is why a goto statement should definitely never be part of Python! André so insulting to me - you asking i'm a troll, only becose i'm saing that goto maybe sometimes usefull. -- Best regards, Maxim Kasimov mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Troll? was: Re: goto statement
Maxim Kasimov wrote: André Roberge wrote: Maxim Kasimov wrote: by the way, goto statement will be useful for writing more powerful obfuscators Let me get that clear: you want a goto to help with debugging. And you want to obfuscate your code even more? !? Perhaps you need to write in Perl, or some other similar language. Writing in Python is for those that seek clarity (not obfuscation) and less bugs. Which is why a goto statement should definitely never be part of Python! André so insulting to me - you asking i'm a troll, only becose i'm saing that goto maybe sometimes usefull. No, because you said that it was useful for obfuscating code. Obfuscating code is generally not a desirable feature of a language construct. -- Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the fields of hell where the grass grows high Are the graves of dreams allowed to die. -- Richard Harter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Troll? was: Re: goto statement
On 4/20/05, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maxim Kasimov wrote: André Roberge wrote: Maxim Kasimov wrote: by the way, goto statement will be useful for writing more powerful obfuscators Let me get that clear: you want a goto to help with debugging. And you want to obfuscate your code even more? !? Perhaps you need to write in Perl, or some other similar language. Writing in Python is for those that seek clarity (not obfuscation) and less bugs. Which is why a goto statement should definitely never be part of Python! André so insulting to me - you asking i'm a troll, only becose i'm saing that goto maybe sometimes usefull. No, because you said that it was useful for obfuscating code. Obfuscating code is generally not a desirable feature of a language construct. I believe he meant obfuscating bytecode for a commercial product, to try and avoid decompilation, which is often a desirable function for commercial entities. (Not that I have the technical knowledge to agree or disagree with what he said, I'm just trying to help clear up what's become a fairly bogged-down argument.) Peace Bill Mill bill.mill at gmail.com -- Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the fields of hell where the grass grows high Are the graves of dreams allowed to die. -- Richard Harter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Troll? was: Re: goto statement
Bill Mill wrote: I believe he meant obfuscating bytecode for a commercial product, to try and avoid decompilation, which is often a desirable function for commercial entities. there is no shortage of jump instructions on the bytecode level, so if he wants to obfuscate bytecode, all he has to do is to obfuscate the bytecode. import dis [op for op in dis.opname if op.startswith(JUMP)] ['JUMP_FORWARD', 'JUMP_IF_FALSE', 'JUMP_IF_TRUE', 'JUMP_ABSOLUTE'] /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Troll? was: Re: goto statement
Maxim Kasimov wrote: André Roberge wrote: Maxim Kasimov wrote: by the way, goto statement will be useful for writing more powerful obfuscators Let me get that clear: you want a goto to help with debugging. And you want to obfuscate your code even more? !? Perhaps you need to write in Perl, or some other similar language. Writing in Python is for those that seek clarity (not obfuscation) and less bugs. Which is why a goto statement should definitely never be part of Python! André so insulting to me - you asking i'm a troll, only becose i'm saing that goto maybe sometimes usefull. Seemed like a fair response to me, given that computer scientists and programming practitioners concluded years ago that the potential of goto constructs was largely negative, and that they should be eschewed under most normal circumstances. This has now been carried to the extent that there are may other languages besides Python that don't include a GOTO. Do you know something we (and they) don't? If not then this is just an idle conversation, since you don't appear to perceive the negative aspects at all. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
