Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
On Saturday 17 June 2006 09:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Istvan Albert wrote: Scott David Daniels wrote: To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about learning VI: The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit. Time and again I hear this (no shortage of Vim fans, same with Emacs), and I know I should know better but always believe them yet again. Invariably I download Vim play with it for an hour, get increasingly frustrated and give up. Most likely I'm greatly spoiled by using EditPlus (Windows only), it just makes it so easy to do the basic programming tasks that I need, everywhere else I turn I see far more functionality but at the price of not being able to do basic tasks as efficiently as I need them. Say I want to be able to execute the python program I'm currently editing. Nothing simpler in EditPlus, Tools-Configure Tools-Add Tool then specify which program you want to run, what parameters it takes and whether to capture the output or not ... total time it took me first time I wanted to do this ... about 3 minutes ... from now on pressing Ctrl-1 while editing the source will execute the python on the current source *and* it displays the output in a lower pane as it runs *and* it allows me to simultanously edit the file *while* the program is running. Outstanding. Yet after searching and reading stuff for more than an hour I was unable to accomplish the same thing in Vim though I'm already familiar enough with basic editing and setup (through my previous trials and tribulations) ... I have a few solutions that end up doing something similar but are quite a few keypresses longer both to invoke or to get back to the source that I'm writing, or I lose editing control while the program is running ... etc... So if the OP is on windows just head over and get EditPlus (UltraEdit and TextPad seem to be similar), and just accept the fact that you are already using an editor that as good as an editor can get ... I know I'd pay that registration once again for an editor that works the same way on Linux... i. I'm a huge EditPlus fan and there are not enough good things I can say about it. The main thing about GUIs which unix people don't seem to get is discoverability is key. Every time I've tried using x-emacs or x-anything (or even Scite as it seems to be popular), there is very little that is intuitive or obvious about the interface, and even though you have a GUI right there in front of you, things are still controlled in dot whatever files, with some special syntax and magic words for everything! Even doing a search and replace in x-emacs is f*cked up. I was trying to use it for something a few years ago (I dunno, maybe 2002 or 2003 on debian or 2000 on redhat), and it just didn't work the way I expected it to work, ie it didn't follow what has become the standard GUI (read: windows) way of doing things. There should be a dialog for search and replace. If it doesn't do it that way, then don't pretend to be a gui, because you're not, you're pandering to the we want a gui crowd while still stickin' it to 'em by forcing them to remember commands for shit like changing word wrapping (oh my god there's a *mode* for word wrapping? m-x-wtf change-the-mode-to-something-I-forget-what) and reminding everyone what a privilege it is to learn f***king lisp to enable some obscure little tweak which could just as easily have shown up in a checkbox. Scite was jacked because the main window didn't have anything discoverable on it, and one of the main menus just had a list of syntaxes you could use to highlight your code... and the other menu opened up your dot whatever file to change the settings. That's just retarded. I think there is a fine line between being too dumbed down to do anything (point click ooh aahh), and so flexible, customizable, and free that it feels you have to roll-your-own text editor each time you want to start a new project. This is the best article on guis and stuff I've read in a while. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/fog000249.html Anyway, the only thing editplus doesn't do that I wish it did is code folding. All the stuff you guys are talking about: line numbers, syntax highlighting, custom tools (running the interpreter), regexp search and replace, keeping your environment the same between sessions, soft word wrap, tab-vs-spaces, auto-indent, braces-matching, bla bla... it does it all in an appropriately gui manner without making you feel like a moron for not psychically knowing the command ahead of time, or for not having someone to copy a dot whatever file from, or not Reading TFM (which of course never tells you what you want to know anyway -- it's either a patronizingly simple-minded 3rd grade tutorial, or it tells you what a command
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, the only thing editplus doesn't do that I wish it did is code folding. If you need a Python folding editor you could always take a look at Zeus: http://www.zeusedit.com/python.html All the stuff you guys are talking about: line numbers, syntax highlighting, custom tools (running the interpreter), regexp search and replace, keeping your environment the same between sessions, soft word wrap, tab-vs-spaces, auto-indent, braces-matching, bla bla... it does it all in an appropriately gui manner without making you feel Zeus does all this, plus it adds features project/workspace management, ftp editing and class browsing. Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
Istvan Albert wrote: Scott David Daniels wrote: To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about learning VI: The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit. Time and again I hear this (no shortage of Vim fans, same with Emacs), and I know I should know better but always believe them yet again. Invariably I download Vim play with it for an hour, get increasingly frustrated and give up. Most likely I'm greatly spoiled by using EditPlus (Windows only), it just makes it so easy to do the basic programming tasks that I need, everywhere else I turn I see far more functionality but at the price of not being able to do basic tasks as efficiently as I need them. Say I want to be able to execute the python program I'm currently editing. Nothing simpler in EditPlus, Tools-Configure Tools-Add Tool then specify which program you want to run, what parameters it takes and whether to capture the output or not ... total time it took me first time I wanted to do this ... about 3 minutes ... from now on pressing Ctrl-1 while editing the source will execute the python on the current source *and* it displays the output in a lower pane as it runs *and* it allows me to simultanously edit the file *while* the program is running. Outstanding. Yet after searching and reading stuff for more than an hour I was unable to accomplish the same thing in Vim though I'm already familiar enough with basic editing and setup (through my previous trials and tribulations) ... I have a few solutions that end up doing something similar but are quite a few keypresses longer both to invoke or to get back to the source that I'm writing, or I lose editing control while the program is running ... etc... So if the OP is on windows just head over and get EditPlus (UltraEdit and TextPad seem to be similar), and just accept the fact that you are already using an editor that as good as an editor can get ... I know I'd pay that registration once again for an editor that works the same way on Linux... i. I'm a huge EditPlus fan and there are not enough good things I can say about it. The main thing about GUIs which unix people don't seem to get is discoverability is key. Every time I've tried using x-emacs or x-anything (or even Scite as it seems to be popular), there is very little that is intuitive or obvious about the interface, and even though you have a GUI right there in front of you, things are still controlled in dot whatever files, with some special syntax and magic words for everything! Even doing a search and replace in x-emacs is f*cked up. I was trying to use it for something a few years ago (I dunno, maybe 2002 or 2003 on debian or 2000 on redhat), and it just didn't work the way I expected it to work, ie it didn't follow what has become the standard GUI (read: windows) way of doing things. There should be a dialog for search and replace. If it doesn't do it that way, then don't pretend to be a gui, because you're not, you're pandering to the we want a gui crowd while still stickin' it to 'em by forcing them to remember commands for shit like changing word wrapping (oh my god there's a *mode* for word wrapping? m-x-wtf change-the-mode-to-something-I-forget-what) and reminding everyone what a privilege it is to learn f***king lisp to enable some obscure little tweak which could just as easily have shown up in a checkbox. Scite was jacked because the main window didn't have anything discoverable on it, and one of the main menus just had a list of syntaxes you could use to highlight your code... and the other menu opened up your dot whatever file to change the settings. That's just retarded. I think there is a fine line between being too dumbed down to do anything (point click ooh aahh), and so flexible, customizable, and free that it feels you have to roll-your-own text editor each time you want to start a new project. This is the best article on guis and stuff I've read in a while. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/fog000249.html Anyway, the only thing editplus doesn't do that I wish it did is code folding. All the stuff you guys are talking about: line numbers, syntax highlighting, custom tools (running the interpreter), regexp search and replace, keeping your environment the same between sessions, soft word wrap, tab-vs-spaces, auto-indent, braces-matching, bla bla... it does it all in an appropriately gui manner without making you feel like a moron for not psychically knowing the command ahead of time, or for not having someone to copy a dot whatever file from, or not Reading TFM (which of course never tells you what you want to know anyway -- it's either a patronizingly simple-minded 3rd grade tutorial, or it tells you what a command does if you already know its f***king name!). And of course all these editplus things are accessible via the keyboard without
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
Tim Chase wrote: | No need to argue. I started with vim, and finally switched to | emacs less than one year later. | | Both are very-much-so good editors. I made the opposite switch | from emacs to vim in less than a year. Both are good^Wgreat | editors, so one's decision to use one over the other is more a | matter of working style. I don't grok LISP, and just never felt | at home in emacs, despite all the power I could see that was | there. I grok vim (and its similar power/extensibility), so I | migrated to it. I have to laugh at the whole holy-war thing, as | it's somewhat like arguing about a favorite color. But blue is | so better than green! The sky is blue! Nuh, uh! Green is far | better than blue! Grass is green! (okay, here in Texas, that | doesn't always hold as true...maybe personality #2 should be | arguing for brown instead). | | My best friend is an emacs user, and I'm a vimmer...it doesn't | come between us. :) You guys are not gonna believe this - I keep a low grade PC specially so that I can do my programming with Brief (yes the one by Underware) - and yes I know Emacs has a so called *crisp* emulator - but IMNSHO it sucks! I like the macros, I do some stuff with the macro language, and as a mostly assembler programmer, I adore the way it copies and pastes columns with minimal keystrokes And I switch between buffers (different files - modules in Python ) - with an alt n or alt - . and worse - like the confirmed Vi or Emacs user - the problem is that you get used to it, and ya dont wanna change... - Hendrik I wish I could run this on my Linux box -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
Hi 63q2o4i02 :-) Cream is a package built on top of vim that presents a more Windows friendly face to the vim/gvim editor. It is avaiable for Windows and Linux and might give you a single editor that you can use on more platforms, but maybe you might like the interface better. It does syntax hilighting for Python and code foding. http://cream.sourceforge.net/ - Paddy. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Cream is a package built on top of vim that presents a more Windows friendly face to the vim/gvim editor. Cool thanks, I'll check it out. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
Fredrik Lundh wrote: BartlebyScrivener wrote: Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with nobody arguing with the vi folks. hints: 1) editor wars are so last century. 2) emacs has already won. /F Yep, there is no much point about arguing for Emacs since everything is already explained here: http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion Michele Simionato -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
John Salerno wrote: Larry Bates wrote: Nope, no Java knowledge necessary. Jython just compiles Python code to java bytecode instead of python bytecode. Once it is in java bytecode the JVM doesn't know where it came from. Well that's good to know. I guess there's not much of a point in writing pure Python code with Jython, but at least now I know it works that way! That's right - but it's very useful for scripting Java (for example in jEdit) as you have access not only to the Python library, but to the Java API (which you just use as if they were Python modules). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Vim is great if you have a good memory... Otherwise you end up trawling through the help to find out how to do stuff that would in another IDE be just a few menu clicks away. Mental memory (the painful kind of memory) rapidly turns into muscle memory (the fun kind of memory) and all of those mind boggling keystrokes begin to feel like an artistic expression reminiscent of playing the piano. That's probably true. I still have a long way to go to get the most out of vim though, because it takes a certain amount of mental memory to be able to use the keystrokes often enough to turn them into muscle memory... I tend to use gvim on my PC if I'm also working on my server via ssh - that way it doesn't matter if I type a few ESC :w's or :dd's. Otherwise I tend to use jEdit. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng, but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). Ideally, it would be something I could even put on a flash drive and move from computer to computer, but this isn't necessary. Just something I can immediately use in either Windows or Linux (or Mac, if necessary). These days one can put entire OS to a flash drive, not only an editor. [...] And naturally there are Emacs and Vim, but I just don't know if I need to invest *that* much time into learning one of them (probably Vim, since I hear it's lighter and faster). From this thread you can easily see that people that never look for another editor are either Emacs or Vim users. I think you have two options here: either spend some time to master one of them, or spend the rest of your life looking for a good editor ;) [I compose this reply in XEmacs, yes] -- Sergei. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
On linux, I recommend Scribes. It's simple, slim and sleek, yet powerful. Features: Automatic completion Automatic bracket completion and smart insertion Snippets (ala TextMate) Bookmarks Syntax highlight for more than 30 languages Launches faster than any IDE out their Has no learning curve. Features your typical text processing operations you'll find in VIM/Emacs. Remembers window position and size. Sexy interface that actually adheres to human interface guidlines And many more... The next version will even feature remote editing. website: ( http://scribes.sourceforge.net/ ) Flash Demo: ( http://scribes.sourceforge.net/snippets.htm ) GIF Demo: ( http://www.minds.may.ie/~dez/images/blog/scribes.html ) John Salerno wrote: I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng, but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). Ideally, it would be something I could even put on a flash drive and move from computer to computer, but this isn't necessary. Just something I can immediately use in either Windows or Linux (or Mac, if necessary). Based on another thread, I tried out Scite, but no matter what I do it doesn't seem to remember the window size and position, or any options I choose (like showing line numbers). It seems to always reset itself each time I open it. And naturally there are Emacs and Vim, but I just don't know if I need to invest *that* much time into learning one of them (probably Vim, since I hear it's lighter and faster). I've tried a few others, like TextPad and Crimson, and right now I use UltraEdit, which I love actually, except for minor issues here and there. But it'd be nice to make the move, as much as possible, to free, open-source, cross-platform software. Thanks for any suggestions, and again I'm sorry if this feels like the same question as usual (it's just that in my case, I'm not looking for something like SPE, Komodo, Eric3, etc. right now). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno wrote:
(snip)
Based on another thread, I tried out Scite, but no matter what I do it
doesn't seem to remember the window size and position, or any options I
choose (like showing line numbers).
This is in the configuration files. Don't remember which and where, but
I clearly remember having done this.
And naturally there are Emacs and Vim, but I just don't know if I need
to invest *that* much time into learning one of them
If you have a lot of file editing to do in a lot of various formats,
then investing time on learning how to effectively use a powerful and
extensible test editor is the WiseThingTodo(tm).
(probably Vim,
since I hear it's lighter and faster).
It's a bit faster at startup, yes. Else, I'm not sure it makes a real
difference wrt/ performances and power. It's more a matter of personal
preference than anything else IMHO.
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BartlebyScrivener wrote:
I see Eclipse mentioned here a lot.
If you go for a Mammoth-weight GUI-only Java IDE and have a really
powerful computer, why not ?
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John Salerno wrote:
Ant wrote:
jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible
with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin
installed).
I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in
Python.
Jython is Python on Java.
Are there any editors that support that?
Emacs.
plug
Which BTW is just great for python programming - not only do you have
an embedded interactive python shell - the default one or IPython - but
much more, you can with a simple keystroke eval either the whole buffer
or a selected block in this embedded shell. Could'nt live without it no
more !-)
(and you have ecb if you want a file/class browser)
/plug
But learning other languages might be a good idea too (even if once
spoiled by Python, if can be quite frustrating).
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BartlebyScrivener wrote:
Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with
nobody arguing with the vi folks.
No need to argue. I started with vim, and finally switched to emacs less
than one year later.
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BartlebyScrivener wrote:
Most IDEs are rather weak as text editors compared to emacsen.
That's true, but even emacs and xemacs don't offer simple automatic
word wrap (i.e. wrap a line without splitting words or putting an eol
or hard carriage return at the end of every line). I don't know if vim
allows this.
line-wrapping in an IDE ???
It's something writers just take for granted in non-Unix
text editors.
Ah, ok. It's about vim/emacs as a general text editor. Emacs provides
word-wrapping, but true, it split words. I maybe wrong, but I don't
think it would be that hard to make it more word-friendly.
Now I wonder: what the use for line-wrapping at first ? Both emacs and
vim are text *editors*, not text *formatters*. Might be a unix-vs-others
cultural difference, but the general use on unix is to use some markup
(tex/LaTex, html, ReST or any 'structured-text' variant etc) and the
appropriate formater/renderer for presentation stuff.
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No need to argue. I started with vim, and finally switched to emacs less than one year later. Both are very-much-so good editors. I made the opposite switch from emacs to vim in less than a year. Both are good^Wgreat editors, so one's decision to use one over the other is more a matter of working style. I don't grok LISP, and just never felt at home in emacs, despite all the power I could see that was there. I grok vim (and its similar power/extensibility), so I migrated to it. I have to laugh at the whole holy-war thing, as it's somewhat like arguing about a favorite color. But blue is so better than green! The sky is blue! Nuh, uh! Green is far better than blue! Grass is green! (okay, here in Texas, that doesn't always hold as true...maybe personality #2 should be arguing for brown instead). My best friend is an emacs user, and I'm a vimmer...it doesn't come between us. :) -tkc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Salerno wrote: [snip] Thanks for any suggestions, and again I'm sorry if this feels like the same question as usual (it's just that in my case, I'm not looking for something like SPE, Komodo, Eric3, etc. right now). I was taking a peek at c.l.py to check for replies in another thread and couldn't help notice your asking about editors. Please pardon the personal pimping, but have you looked at PyPE (pype.sf.net)? I tried it out and the first problem I noticed is that on Windows opening a file from a Samba drive doesn't seem to work, as PyPE converts the filename to lowercase. Servus, Walter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Scott David Daniels wrote: Surprise, surprise. One hour is not two weeks. I wrote: pressing Ctrl-1 while editing the source will execute the python on the current source *and* it displays the output in a lower pane as it runs *and* it allows me to simultanously edit the file *while* the program is running. yet I'll bet that you could not make Vim do this above ... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Walter Dörwald wrote: I tried it out and the first problem I noticed is that on Windows opening a file from a Samba drive doesn't seem to work, as PyPE converts the filename to lowercase. ...Samba is tricky, and I hadn't thought of it before. Normal Windows is case-insensitive but case-preserving, and PyPE uses Python's os.path.normcase(os.path.normpath(os.path.realpath(...))) to do path/file normalization mapping for open files (keeping the non-case-normalized filename), so that you can't really make the mistake of opening the same file twice. This normally works on platforms with consistant case handling, but if you are using Samba running on any non-OSX *nix (whose filename case handling is not like other *nixes) from Windows, there gets to be a bit of a problem as your *nix case handling is different from Windows. I have an idea of what needs to be done, and the fix for it will be in PyPE 2.4.1, which I plan on releasing by June 30th. - Josiah -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Tim Chase wrote: No need to argue. I started with vim, and finally switched to emacs less than one year later. Both are very-much-so good editors. I made the opposite switch from emacs to vim in less than a year. Both are good^Wgreat editors, so one's decision to use one over the other is more a matter of working style. I don't grok LISP, and just never felt at home in emacs, despite all the power I could see that was there. I grok vim (and its similar power/extensibility), so I migrated to it. I have to laugh at the whole holy-war thing, as it's somewhat like arguing about a favorite color. But blue is so better than green! The sky is blue! Nuh, uh! Green is far better than blue! Grass is green! (okay, here in Texas, that doesn't always hold as true...maybe personality #2 should be arguing for brown instead). My best friend is an emacs user, and I'm a vimmer...it doesn't come between us. :) -tkc Yes, heartwarming, but if you are thinking marriage... -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
a good programming text editor (not IDE)
I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng, but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). Ideally, it would be something I could even put on a flash drive and move from computer to computer, but this isn't necessary. Just something I can immediately use in either Windows or Linux (or Mac, if necessary). Based on another thread, I tried out Scite, but no matter what I do it doesn't seem to remember the window size and position, or any options I choose (like showing line numbers). It seems to always reset itself each time I open it. And naturally there are Emacs and Vim, but I just don't know if I need to invest *that* much time into learning one of them (probably Vim, since I hear it's lighter and faster). I've tried a few others, like TextPad and Crimson, and right now I use UltraEdit, which I love actually, except for minor issues here and there. But it'd be nice to make the move, as much as possible, to free, open-source, cross-platform software. Thanks for any suggestions, and again I'm sorry if this feels like the same question as usual (it's just that in my case, I'm not looking for something like SPE, Komodo, Eric3, etc. right now). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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You could try SciTE. It has syntax highlighting for almost every language I have heard of plus some, and seems to work pretty well. It has some issues with fonts, and on some computers is unstable (it crashes in linux, and may have issues with multiprocessor machines). I would also like to know if someone has made a good text editor that works in a variety of languages and overcomes some of SciTE's limitations. John Salerno wrote: I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng, but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). Ideally, it would be something I could even put on a flash drive and move from computer to computer, but this isn't necessary. Just something I can immediately use in either Windows or Linux (or Mac, if necessary). Based on another thread, I tried out Scite, but no matter what I do it doesn't seem to remember the window size and position, or any options I choose (like showing line numbers). It seems to always reset itself each time I open it. And naturally there are Emacs and Vim, but I just don't know if I need to invest *that* much time into learning one of them (probably Vim, since I hear it's lighter and faster). I've tried a few others, like TextPad and Crimson, and right now I use UltraEdit, which I love actually, except for minor issues here and there. But it'd be nice to make the move, as much as possible, to free, open-source, cross-platform software. Thanks for any suggestions, and again I'm sorry if this feels like the same question as usual (it's just that in my case, I'm not looking for something like SPE, Komodo, Eric3, etc. right now). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I see Eclipse mentioned here a lot. Never tried it (i use Komodo). http://www.eclipse.org/ It uses plugins. So, e.g., if you decide you do want an IDE, you add PyDev http://pydev.sourceforge.net/index.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno wrote: And naturally there are Emacs and Vim, but I just don't know if I need to invest *that* much time into learning one of them (probably Vim, since I hear it's lighter and faster). To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about learning VI: The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit. -- --Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I recommend Vim. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor Check. (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) Check. but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). Check. Ideally, it would be something I could even put on a flash drive and move from computer to computer, but this isn't necessary. Check http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A//blog.gmane.org/gmane.editors.vim/day%3D20050923 I do it doesn't seem to remember the window size and position, in your gvimrc, use set lines=50 columns=80 winpos 300 0 or any options I choose (like showing line numbers). to enable line numbering :set number to disable line numbering :set nonumber to gottle line numbering :set number! It seems to always reset itself each time I open it. Options can be saved in your vimrc/gvimrc file to preserve settings. Additionally, the viminfo file can be used to preserve registers, etc across editing sessions. On top of that, you can use the :mksession command to take a snapshot of a session with all its window positionings, manual folds, etc. And naturally there are Emacs and Vim, but I just don't know if I need to invest *that* much time into learning one of them (probably Vim, since I hear it's lighter and faster). Excellent idea... :) I invested a bit of time up front to learn vim, but it was well worth every moment I spent on it. I'll be the first to admit that it has a learning curve like a brick wall. But once you get the basics and force yourself to use it until you get comfortable with it, it pays massive dividends. to free, Check. open-source Check. cross-platform Check. In addition, it has folding, both console versions and GUI versions, and a host of plugins for making various files easier to edit. Oh, and a rather helpful mailing list! Just some answers to your questions... -tkc -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Sybren Stuvel wrote: Vim is definitely the best. If you're a GUI man, you can use GVim. Ok, you guys are slowly converting me, but I do have one question: which version of VIM should I use, or does it matter? I mean, there seem to be at least two versions, a text version and the GUI version you mention. Are the options shared between the two, or is it that you are more or less set in one once you choose it, and if you move to the other you have to redefine your preferences, etc.? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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I've tried a few others, like TextPad and Crimson, and right now I use UltraEdit, which I love actually, except for minor issues here and there. But it'd be nice to make the move, as much as possible, to free, open-source, cross-platform software. Vim is great if you have a good memory... Otherwise you end up trawling through the help to find out how to do stuff that would in another IDE be just a few menu clicks away. jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin installed). Full mapping of key-bindings to built in commands, plugin commands and macros a-la Vim, emacs etc. Also comes with a range of plugins if you do want that little bit more power... Java based so cross platform. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Ant wrote: jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin installed). I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in Python. Are there any editors that support that? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno wrote: jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin installed). I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in Python. Are there any editors that support that? Jython is a Python implementation for Java. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno wrote: Ant wrote: jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin installed). I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in Python. Are there any editors that support that? Jython is python (running on the Java platform) - just not a very recent version (2.1 currently IIRC). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Fredrik Lundh wrote: John Salerno wrote: jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin installed). I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in Python. Are there any editors that support that? Jython is a Python implementation for Java. /F Oh, I know, but doesn't it require knowledge of Java? Or am I being even more newbie-ish than I thought I was? :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno napisał(a): Vim is definitely the best. If you're a GUI man, you can use GVim. Ok, you guys are slowly converting me, but I do have one question: which version of VIM should I use, or does it matter? I mean, there seem to be at least two versions, a text version and the GUI version you mention. Are the options shared between the two, or is it that you are more or less set in one once you choose it, and if you move to the other you have to redefine your preferences, etc.? The version doesn't matter, but anyway you should get the newest one available. 7.0 has some nice features for text editing in graphic environments (like Windows), but in terminal it's the same beast. You'll love it in short time. ;) -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno wrote: Ant wrote: jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin installed). I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in Python. Are there any editors that support that? I can think of one editor that supports that ;-) http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/if_pyth.html#Python Seriously though, yes vim is wierd. Wierd enough that you might think maybe people just use it because they're trying to proove they're l337 or hardcore, instead of using it for real practical reasons. But it really is an amazing text editor once you accept the wierdness. If you use it for a little bit, one day you'll be editing a document in Word, or notepad, or SciTE, or Eclipse; you'll instinctively type '[ESC]:wq', and be suprised that the app is still open. That's when you realize there's no turning back. -Grant [ESC]:wq dammit, did it again! / -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno wrote: I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng, but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). Ideally, it would be something I could even put on a flash drive and move from computer to computer, but this isn't necessary. Just something I can immediately use in either Windows or Linux (or Mac, if necessary). SNIP Hi John, I am yet another user of (g)vim. The good thing about gvim is that for normal editing, a lot can be done from the drop-down menus. You need to get hold of a list of the vim commands to learn and what to learn first (anyone?), as there is a huge amount of functionality in vim, and you can do a lot with a little. Personally, I have never done more than poke at the edges of the internal scripting of vim as I prefer: :%!gawk 'awk one liner' Which sends text to the external shell for processing by another command (in this case gawk) Gvim on windows is a life-saver for me as I have files with different line terminators from my unix work, and it opens those. The only thing I miss in gvim is a mode that would try to display HTML to say the degree that the lynx/links browsers do. (http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/, http://lynx.browser.org/). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno schreef: Sybren Stuvel wrote: Vim is definitely the best. If you're a GUI man, you can use GVim. Ok, you guys are slowly converting me, but I do have one question: which version of VIM should I use, or does it matter? I mean, there seem to be at least two versions, a text version and the GUI version you mention. Are the options shared between the two, or is it that you are more or less set in one once you choose it, and if you move to the other you have to redefine your preferences, etc.? Some settings are GUI-specific, such as font and window size, but the rest is the same. You can easily copy your preferences file between different systems and use it with both vim and gvim (text mode vim will just ignore the GUI settings). -- If I have been able to see further, it was only because I stood on the shoulders of giants. -- Isaac Newton Roel Schroeven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Ant wrote: I've tried a few others, like TextPad and Crimson, and right now I use UltraEdit, which I love actually, except for minor issues here and there. But it'd be nice to make the move, as much as possible, to free, open-source, cross-platform software. Vim is great if you have a good memory... Otherwise you end up trawling through the help to find out how to do stuff that would in another IDE be just a few menu clicks away. Mental memory (the painful kind of memory) rapidly turns into muscle memory (the fun kind of memory) and all of those mind boggling keystrokes begin to feel like an artistic expression reminiscent of playing the piano. James -- James Stroud UCLA-DOE Institute for Genomics and Proteomics Box 951570 Los Angeles, CA 90095 http://www.jamesstroud.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Your SciTE problem is easily fixable by choosing options / Open Global Options File and then there are plenty of settings. Use the SciTE.html file and it will explain them all and there are many but the defaults usually work well to start out. I have had no issues with Linux. I use Debian. Here is a snippet of the first few lines of the global options file. # Globals command.name.2.*.py=PyChecker command.2.*.py=C:\Python23\Scripts\pychecker.bat --stdlib --blacklist --varlist $(FilePath) tab.timmy.whinge.level=1 # Window sizes and visibility if PLAT_WIN position.left=30 position.top=25 if PLAT_GTK position.left=15 position.top=30 position.width=1200 position.height=950 As you can see if you are running windows if PLAT_WIN those are the settings for your window etc... Also grab this file. http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/gen_python_api.zip You can run it and it will build an API that you put in the root of SciTE and it will auto complete and it will give you help tips if you want them. I can't say that this is better than VIM but SciTE works great if you are mostly a python programmer. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno wrote: Fredrik Lundh wrote: John Salerno wrote: jEdit is for me still the best text editor available. Very extensible with macros (which can be written in Jython with the appropriate plugin installed). I like the idea of being extensible, but of course I can only write in Python. Are there any editors that support that? Jython is a Python implementation for Java. /F Oh, I know, but doesn't it require knowledge of Java? Or am I being even more newbie-ish than I thought I was? :) Nope, no Java knowledge necessary. Jython just compiles Python code to java bytecode instead of python bytecode. Once it is in java bytecode the JVM doesn't know where it came from. -Larry Bates -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Larry Bates wrote: Nope, no Java knowledge necessary. Jython just compiles Python code to java bytecode instead of python bytecode. Once it is in java bytecode the JVM doesn't know where it came from. Well that's good to know. I guess there's not much of a point in writing pure Python code with Jython, but at least now I know it works that way! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with nobody arguing with the vi folks. Will the Windows vim and gvim users vouch for its stability on Windows? rd -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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BartlebyScrivener wrote: Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with nobody arguing with the vi folks. heh :) Will the Windows vim and gvim users vouch for its stability on Windows? It's very stable on Windows. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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BartlebyScrivener napisał(a): Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with nobody arguing with the vi folks. Will the Windows vim and gvim users vouch for its stability on Windows? Sure. Do you need any legal assistance? -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Scott David Daniels wrote: To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about learning VI: The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit. Time and again I hear this (no shortage of Vim fans, same with Emacs), and I know I should know better but always believe them yet again. Invariably I download Vim play with it for an hour, get increasingly frustrated and give up. Most likely I'm greatly spoiled by using EditPlus (Windows only), it just makes it so easy to do the basic programming tasks that I need, everywhere else I turn I see far more functionality but at the price of not being able to do basic tasks as efficiently as I need them. Say I want to be able to execute the python program I'm currently editing. Nothing simpler in EditPlus, Tools-Configure Tools-Add Tool then specify which program you want to run, what parameters it takes and whether to capture the output or not ... total time it took me first time I wanted to do this ... about 3 minutes ... from now on pressing Ctrl-1 while editing the source will execute the python on the current source *and* it displays the output in a lower pane as it runs *and* it allows me to simultanously edit the file *while* the program is running. Outstanding. Yet after searching and reading stuff for more than an hour I was unable to accomplish the same thing in Vim though I'm already familiar enough with basic editing and setup (through my previous trials and tribulations) ... I have a few solutions that end up doing something similar but are quite a few keypresses longer both to invoke or to get back to the source that I'm writing, or I lose editing control while the program is running ... etc... So if the OP is on windows just head over and get EditPlus (UltraEdit and TextPad seem to be similar), and just accept the fact that you are already using an editor that as good as an editor can get ... I know I'd pay that registration once again for an editor that works the same way on Linux... i. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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BartlebyScrivener wrote: Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with nobody arguing with the vi folks. hints: 1) editor wars are so last century. 2) emacs has already won. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Fredrik Lundh napisał(a): Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with nobody arguing with the vi folks. 1) editor wars are so last century. 2) emacs has already won. You died in last century with your editor, we have tabs. -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Fredrik Lundh wrote: hints: 1) editor wars are so last century. 2) emacs has already won. Uh oh, here we go.. ;) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Jarek Zgoda wrote: You died in last century with your editor, we have tabs. real python programmers don't use tabs. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Istvan Albert wrote: Scott David Daniels wrote: To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about learning VI: The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit. Time and again I hear this (no shortage of Vim fans, same with Emacs), and I know I should know better but always believe them yet again. Invariably I download Vim play with it for an hour, get increasingly frustrated and give up. Surprise, surprise. One hour is not two weeks. --Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:18:53 -0700 BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with # nobody arguing with the vi folks. We have learned the important lesson: those who are looking for true enlightenment will find Emacs anyway. We no longer feel the need to argue with people who praise various versions of notepad ;-) ;-) ;-) -- Best wishes, Slawomir Nowaczyk ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Fredrik Lundh napisał(a): You died in last century with your editor, we have tabs. real python programmers don't use tabs. So I'll tab you the beer I owe you when we meet at EuroPython. -- Jarek Zgoda http://jpa.berlios.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: If you use it for a little bit, one day you'll be editing a document in Word, or notepad, or SciTE, or Eclipse; you'll instinctively type '[ESC]:wq', and be suprised that the app is still open. That's when you realize there's no turning back. Exactly... it happens very regularly that my C++ compiler complains about :w, jjj or in my code. Being able to keep your hands on the base row instead of having to switch back and forth to the arrow keys is a tremendous benefit, which I didn't appreciate that much until I learned by experience that I unconsciously try, unsuccessfully of course, to do it in other editors. BTW, you can type :x instead of :wq. 33% shorter! -- If I have been able to see further, it was only because I stood on the shoulders of giants. -- Isaac Newton Roel Schroeven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:12:26 GMT in comp.lang.python, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng, but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). Ideally, it would be something I could even put on a flash drive and move from computer to computer, but this isn't necessary. Just something I can immediately use in either Windows or Linux (or Mac, if necessary). Very small, very fast, very powerful, and very portable (though I'm not sure about Mac...): Take a look at Jed from www.jedsoft.org. You might not find it pretty, however... Regards, -=Dave -- Change is inevitable, progress is not. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2006-06-15, John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng, but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). For something very light, jed has a pretty good python mode that is based on the emacs python-mode. I still swear by XEmacs with python-mode, though I do wish for intelligent code completion sometimes (pycomplete just gives me errors). The XEmacs features that keep me from switching to Gnu Emacs are buffer tabs and hyperlinked error messages. Most IDEs are rather weak as text editors compared to emacsen. On the Mac, you might try Aquamacs; though I don't like the default behavior, a new user would probably have less of a problem with it. Dave Cook -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Most IDEs are rather weak as text editors compared to emacsen. That's true, but even emacs and xemacs don't offer simple automatic word wrap (i.e. wrap a line without splitting words or putting an eol or hard carriage return at the end of every line). I don't know if vim allows this. It's something writers just take for granted in non-Unix text editors. rd -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Istvan Albert wrote: Scott David Daniels wrote: To paraphrase someone else (their identity lost in my mental fog) about learning VI: The two weeks you'll spend hating vi (or vim) as you learn it will be repaid in another month, ad the rest is pure profit. Time and again I hear this (no shortage of Vim fans, same with Emacs), and I know I should know better but always believe them yet again. Invariably I download Vim play with it for an hour, get increasingly frustrated and give up. Most likely I'm greatly spoiled by using This is not a skill or competence issue - it is a mindset issue. Some people are naturally more comfortable with point-n-shoot GUI interfaces. Some of us old retrograde dinosaurs imagine GUIs to be a place to run multiple xterms so we can use the keyboard even more. That said, to the extent you learn to master the keyboard with any tool, you will eventually become far more efficient doing almost everything you do. I find GUI editors/browsers/et al easy to learn or good for casual use, but an interference when I want to do a lot fast. I got so frustrated with it all, I wrote my own pure Python file browser that is *all* about the keyboard and never having to say you're a mouse user (though you can): Shameless Self-Promotion http://www.tundraware.com/Software/twander/ /Shameless Self-Promotion GUIs are great for two classes of use: 1) For non-specialist or casual users who need to be productive with minimal training or support, and 2) Classes of problems that are inherently graphical - photo editing is such an example. But, I have yet to see a significant advantage to programming under a GUI (beyond the aforementioned ability to run multiple instances of emacs, xterm ...). Yes, a GUI editor is easy to *learn* and use casually, but text intensive work is best done with tools optimized for doing so. BTW, when God created the heavens and earth, the OS was BSD Unix, the config files were edited with emacs, and the doc was written in LaTeX using the dvi2stonetablets backend... -- Tim Daneliuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:52:49 -0700 BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # Most IDEs are rather weak as text editors compared to emacsen. # # That's true, but even emacs and xemacs don't offer simple automatic # word wrap (i.e. wrap a line without splitting words or putting an eol # or hard carriage return at the end of every line). Of course it does... there is longlines.el and longlines-mode in my copy of GNU Emacs: ,-- | Toggle Long Lines mode. | In Long Lines mode, long lines are wrapped if they extend beyond | `fill-column'. The soft newlines used for line wrapping will not | show up when the text is yanked or saved to disk. `- I do not use it, personally, but it does exist. -- Best wishes, Slawomir Nowaczyk ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) COMMAND: A suggestion made to a computer. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno: Based on another thread, I tried out Scite, but no matter what I do it doesn't seem to remember the window size and position, or any options I choose (like showing line numbers). It seems to always reset itself each time I open it. SciTE is configured by modifying options files rather than by automatically remembering your choices. If you don't like this approach then you probably won't like SciTE. Neil -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Slawomir Nowaczyk wrote: # That's true, but even emacs and xemacs don't offer simple automatic # word wrap (i.e. wrap a line without splitting words or putting an eol # or hard carriage return at the end of every line). Of course it does... there is longlines.el and longlines-mode in my copy of GNU Emacs: ,-- | Toggle Long Lines mode. | In Long Lines mode, long lines are wrapped if they extend beyond | `fill-column'. The soft newlines used for line wrapping will not | show up when the text is yanked or saved to disk. `- Not quite. Longlines Mode actually inserts real carriage returns into the buffer, which you will notice in a lot of situations. For example, text does not get rewrapped when you resize the frame to a different width. Also, searching for two words (with a space in between them) won't work when the target text happens to wrap them just there (happens to me all the time when editing LaTeX). Thirdly, you'll find that when you load a file, its lines won't automatically wrap at the frame (actually, the window) width position. All of these things don't bother long-time Emacs people, because most of them tend to see a GUI as a way to display many terminals (something like that has been said by someone else before in this thread), and most of them rely on traditional Unix tools such as grep which work line-by-line. I have advocated seeing lines (with a CR and/or LF) as paragraphs, and making the display of lines a matter of the particular display, not the original data. That is much more natural for wrapped text, i.e. real text rather than computer-parseable files. A patch to Emacs 22 has been produced after that discussion, but sadly, it isn't mature enough to make it into the final Emacs 22 release. But I am confident we're going to see this in GNU Emacs 23, or at least in Aquamacs Emacs in a little while. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2006-06-15, Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very small, very fast, very powerful, and very portable (though I'm not sure about Mac...): Take a look at Jed from www.jedsoft.org. You might not find it pretty, however... But if your distro includes xjed (ubuntu/debian, but not newer fedoras) try xjed -fn mono -fs 16 Dave Cook -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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re soft word wrap I have advocated seeing lines (with a CR and/or LF) as paragraphs, and making the display of lines a matter of the particular display, not the original data. That is much more natural for wrapped text, i.e. real text rather than computer-parseable files. I agree. Meanwhile I wrote a friend who is a vim aficionado, and he advises it IS possible to achieve soft word wrap in vim. When editing a text file, if you want word wrapping, but ONLY want line breaks inserted when you explicitly press the enter key: :set formatoptions=1 :set lbr lbr tells vim to word wrap visually, but formatoptions=1 tells vim to not insert hard newlines when you edit the middle of a 'paragraph.' rd -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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If you're on a Mac, I'd recommend TextWrangler (http:// www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/) hands down. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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John Salerno wrote: I know there's a request for a good IDE at least once a week on the ng, but hopefully this question is a little different. I'm looking for suggestions for a good cross-platform text editor (which the features for coding, such as syntax highlighting, etc.) but not a full IDE with all the fancy jazz (GUI developer, UML diagrams, etc.). Ideally, it would be something I could even put on a flash drive and move from computer to computer, but this isn't necessary. Just something I can immediately use in either Windows or Linux (or Mac, if necessary). [snip] Thanks for any suggestions, and again I'm sorry if this feels like the same question as usual (it's just that in my case, I'm not looking for something like SPE, Komodo, Eric3, etc. right now). I was taking a peek at c.l.py to check for replies in another thread and couldn't help notice your asking about editors. Please pardon the personal pimping, but have you looked at PyPE (pype.sf.net)? It doesn't do everything, isn't geared towards every language, but as far as I know, it is fairly cross-platform (there seems to be an outstanding bug on ubuntu 6.06, but I need to get an installation to check it out), and can offer a fairly no-frills interface for writing software. The next release will include support for working from a removable device (I plan on releasing before the end of the month), but may not have an ubuntu fix (I may not have time to get one running). - Josiah -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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On 2006-06-15, Jarek Zgoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You died in last century with your editor, we have tabs. My condolences. I hear there's a cure for that, though. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! These PRESERVES at should be FORCE-FED to visi.comPENTAGON OFFICIALS!! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)
On 2006-06-15, Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very small, very fast, very powerful, and very portable (though I'm not sure about Mac...): Take a look at Jed from www.jedsoft.org. It's been my editor of choice for many years. Running Emacs on a machine with 8MB of RAM and 80MB of disk got a bit old. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Yow! I want my nose at in lights! visi.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
