Re: alternate language
Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is a good alternate language to learn? i just want something to expand my mind and hopefully reduce or delay any chance of alzheimer's. i would especially like to hear from those of you who learned python _before_ these languages. haskell, erlang, ocaml, mozart/oz, rebel, etc. I did a little bit Haskell at university. IMHO it's a very interesting language to expand your mind. I never used it for real programming though. i don't require any of these features, but extra browny points for any of the following: interactive interpreter HUGS batteries included Not with the standard library but AFAIK GHC comes with alot of things can integrate with c AFAIK there are some tools compiles to native code GHC can use a gui toolkit such as wx AFAIK there are at least Gtk bindings doesn't take 60 hour weeks over years to master It may take you some time get the idea of pure functional programming (no loops, no assignment, ...) Florian -- http://www.florian-diesch.de/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is a good alternate language to learn? i just want something to expand my mind and hopefully reduce or delay any chance of alzheimer's. i would especially like to hear from those of you who learned python _before_ these languages. haskell, erlang, ocaml, mozart/oz, rebel, etc. i don't require any of these features, but extra browny points for any of the following: interactive interpreter batteries included can integrate with c compiles to native code can use a gui toolkit such as wx doesn't take 60 hour weeks over years to master Here's a skewed alternative, that has none of the features you are looking for: 1) Buy a development kit for a pic, 8031, avr or arm. 2) Read the documentation for the processor 3) Write a hello world in Assembler, simultaneously flickering an LED. It will give more satisfaction, and delay the onset of Alzheimer's, far more effectively than any of the higher level languages you are contemplating. And if you really want a challenge, don't use the assembler, hand code the hex. Just once. Just so that you can appreciate what an assembler, and by extension, a compiler, does for you. - Happy hacking ;-) - Hendrik -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is a good alternate language to learn? i just want something to expand my mind and hopefully reduce or delay any chance of alzheimer's. i would especially like to hear from those of you who learned python _before_ these languages. haskell, erlang, ocaml, mozart/oz, rebel, etc. I have no experience with any of these. Of course, now I will give my opinions. :-) Just based on my experience with Python, C, C++, BASIC (several flavors), Fortran 77 (mostly). i don't require any of these features, but extra browny points for any of the following: interactive interpreter Python has several. batteries included Not sure what you mean here. Certainly the standard Python packages would offer you an immediately usable Python from Terminal and some other interpreters. But there are LOTS of add-ons available. A big plus with Open Source. Keeping them coordinated is a task, though (a big minus with Open Source). Overall, I haven't had to mess too much to get lots of usability from Python, especially for Scientific computing. can integrate with c Yes. Several approaches, but none trivial. compiles to native code No. can use a gui toolkit such as wx Yep. Wx is here for Python. Also a book on it by Rappin and Dunn (Manning , publ. 2006) doesn't take 60 hour weeks over years to master You'll be writing code on day 1. Useful code, too. Very, very nice language to learn and use. I recommend Python in a Nutshell by Martelli (O'Reilly Publ.) to read as you learn. Lots of online tutorials. See Python.org, SourceForge and google. I think you can get pretty good at Python coding in a month or so. Along with Perl and Ruby, Python is really a very popular interpreted/scripting language rather than a niche language (which I think most of the ones you mentioned are somewhat niche). That means there's a big, helpful community out there to talk to and lots of code available. I do all my new coding in it and then when I need speed in some routine I rewrite it in C as a Python extension. I can develop many times faster than I could in C/C++ or Fortran or BASIC (even). I cannot compare, however, to the languages you mentioned. Sorry. -- Lou Pecora (my views are my own) REMOVE THIS to email me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lou Pecora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is a good alternate language to learn? i just want something to expand my mind and hopefully reduce or delay any chance of alzheimer's. i would especially like to hear from those of you who learned python _before_ these languages. haskell, erlang, ocaml, mozart/oz, rebel, etc. I have no experience with any of these. Of course, now I will give my opinions. :-) Just based on my experience with Python, C, C++, BASIC (several flavors), Fortran 77 (mostly). i don't require any of these features, but extra browny points for any of the following: interactive interpreter Python has several. Um... I think the original poster is saying that he already knows Python and wants to learn another language. He particularly wants opinions from other people who have learned these languages *after* learning Python. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Member of the Groucho Marx Fan Club -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lou Pecora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is a good alternate language to learn? i just want something to expand my mind and hopefully reduce or delay any chance of alzheimer's. i would especially like to hear from those of you who learned python _before_ these languages. haskell, erlang, ocaml, mozart/oz, rebel, etc. I have no experience with any of these. Of course, now I will give my opinions. :-) Just based on my experience with Python, C, C++, BASIC (several flavors), Fortran 77 (mostly). i don't require any of these features, but extra browny points for any of the following: interactive interpreter Python has several. Um... I think the original poster is saying that he already knows Python and wants to learn another language. He particularly wants opinions from other people who have learned these languages *after* learning Python. Oh...never mind. :-) -- Lou Pecora (my views are my own) REMOVE THIS to email me. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
Bryan wrote: what is a good alternate language to learn? i just want something to expand my mind and hopefully reduce or delay any chance of alzheimer's. i would especially like to hear from those of you who learned python _before_ these languages. haskell, erlang, ocaml, mozart/oz, rebel, etc. i don't require any of these features, but extra browny points for any of the following: interactive interpreter batteries included can integrate with c compiles to native code can use a gui toolkit such as wx doesn't take 60 hour weeks over years to master Chicken Scheme: http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org (not sure about wx, but there are various GUI wrappers available) Michele Simionato -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
On 2006-12-11, Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... I think the original poster is saying that he already knows Python and wants to learn another language. He particularly wants opinions from other people who have learned these languages *after* learning Python. There are people who learn another language after learning Python?? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! The Korean War must at have been fun. visi.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-12-11, Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... I think the original poster is saying that he already knows Python and wants to learn another language. He particularly wants opinions from other people who have learned these languages *after* learning Python. There are people who learn another language after learning Python?? Heh. Taking your post more seriously than it deserves, don't you think someone ought to learn at least SQL if they don't already know it when they learn Python? -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Member of the Groucho Marx Fan Club -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aahz wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-12-11, Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... I think the original poster is saying that he already knows Python and wants to learn another language. He particularly wants opinions from other people who have learned these languages *after* learning Python. There are people who learn another language after learning Python?? Heh. Taking your post more seriously than it deserves, don't you think someone ought to learn at least SQL if they don't already know it when they learn Python? -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Member of the Groucho Marx Fan Club -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pekka Karjalainen wrote: nothing Sorry, I messed up the attribution when editing and decided not to post. Accidentally did post an empty message anyway. I was going to recommend Haskell for the original poster too, and I wanted to answer that I did indeed (start to) learn another language after Python. Haskell is mind-expanding after all. I'm not sure which directions mine has expanded, because I have so much difficulty with slrn today, but never mind. I won't repeat the Haskell recommendation I typed up and then deleted. If you look at what people say about it you either want to try it or not. Pka -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
On 2006-12-11, Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... I think the original poster is saying that he already knows Python and wants to learn another language. He particularly wants opinions from other people who have learned these languages *after* learning Python. There are people who learn another language after learning Python?? Heh. Taking your post more seriously than it deserves, It was intended as a joke. :) don't you think someone ought to learn at least SQL if they don't already know it when they learn Python? More seriously, I would have suggested Scheme, Prolog, Smalltalk, and possibly APL -- but those are all pretty old-school. -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: alternate language
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-12-11, Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are people who learn another language after learning Python?? Heh. Taking your post more seriously than it deserves, It was intended as a joke. :) Yeah, yeah, that's what they all say. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Member of the Groucho Marx Fan Club -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
alternate language
what is a good alternate language to learn? i just want something to expand my mind and hopefully reduce or delay any chance of alzheimer's. i would especially like to hear from those of you who learned python _before_ these languages. haskell, erlang, ocaml, mozart/oz, rebel, etc. i don't require any of these features, but extra browny points for any of the following: interactive interpreter batteries included can integrate with c compiles to native code can use a gui toolkit such as wx doesn't take 60 hour weeks over years to master thanks, bryan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
