Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
Python is an appropriate computer language for kids and teenagers. A very good book for beginners: Invent Your Own computer games with Python Author: Al Sweigart It's free online, but it's worth to have one. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Python-list on behalf of Tim Daneliuk via Python-list Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 12:39:25 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python? On 9/5/22 21:22, Meredith Montgomery wrote: > I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just > searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he > never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he > also never did. I also tried to search for Richard Heathfield. (I took > a look at his ``C Unleashed'' once and I liked what I saw.) This is how > I search for books --- I go through the authors first. Charles Petzold, > for instance, anything he writes is worth reading it. (Have you given > his Annotated Turing a shot? It's a very nice read.) > > So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a > book on Python? > > It could be for in a certain specific context. For instance, I also > searched for Hadley Wickham in the hope that he could have written a > data-science-type of book using Python. I like his writing a lot, but > he also only seems to have written only for the R language. > > Thank you! David Beazley -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
On 9/5/22 21:22, Meredith Montgomery wrote: I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he also never did. I also tried to search for Richard Heathfield. (I took a look at his ``C Unleashed'' once and I liked what I saw.) This is how I search for books --- I go through the authors first. Charles Petzold, for instance, anything he writes is worth reading it. (Have you given his Annotated Turing a shot? It's a very nice read.) So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a book on Python? It could be for in a certain specific context. For instance, I also searched for Hadley Wickham in the hope that he could have written a data-science-type of book using Python. I like his writing a lot, but he also only seems to have written only for the R language. Thank you! David Beazley -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 9:23:04 PM UTC-5, Meredith Montgomery wrote: > I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just > searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he > never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he > also never did. I also tried to search for Richard Heathfield. (I took > a look at his ``C Unleashed'' once and I liked what I saw.) This is how > I search for books --- I go through the authors first. Charles Petzold, > for instance, anything he writes is worth reading it. (Have you given > his Annotated Turing a shot? It's a very nice read.) > > So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a > book on Python? > > It could be for in a certain specific context. For instance, I also > searched for Hadley Wickham in the hope that he could have written a > data-science-type of book using Python. I like his writing a lot, but > he also only seems to have written only for the R language. > > Thank you! Mike Driscoll (https://www.blog.pythonlibrary.org/about/) as written a number of books for different Python experience levels, which I have found useful. -Duane Kaufman -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
jkn writes: > On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 4:36:38 PM UTC+1, Meredith Montgomery wrote: >> Paul Rubin writes: >> >> > Meredith Montgomery writes: >> >> So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a >> >> book on Python? >> > >> > The ones by David Beazley are great. Same with his non-book writings >> > about Python. See: http://dabeaz.com/ >> Distilled Python is looking really nice, actually. It seems so concise, >> so it looks like a really nice first read. Thank you for the >> recommendation. > > I concur with Paul's general recommendation of David Beazley's work. > I bought a copy of Python Distilled recently, having 'grown up' with > editions of his earlier 'Python Essential Reference', going back to > the first edition (Python 1.5?) > > I confess to being slightly disappointed with 'Python Distilled', but > I was probably expecting something that I shouldn't have. It is > basically a relatively fast-paced introduction to 'modern' python, > stripping down some of the fine detail that the 'Essential Reference' > books leave in. > > I am not 100% sure how useful it would be for relative beginners; it > depends what you are looking for. As a reference to functions and > library usage etc., the essential reference books are (still) great, > and cheap via eBay. As a stepping stone from 'fluent beginner', it > might well be perfect. As a hand-holding learning guide, maybe not so > great. > > I'm by no means trying to diss Beazley's work, I think it is great; > just trying to indicate what you get for your money, and maybe the > target audience. You got a point. It's so concise that maybe it's too concise for a beginner. But I will take my chances. I liked it. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 23:22:34 -0300, Meredith Montgomery declaimed the following: >I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just >searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he So far as I know, Petzold is a Windows Internals type person. Python is not a M$ product (even if they stuff it into their Win10 "app store" and is an option in Visual Studio. Searching for Python books using authors that may or may not have ever seen Python seems futile... Many of my Python books are O'Reilly publications, with specialized books from Packt and APress. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfr...@ix.netcom.comhttp://wlfraed.microdiversity.freeddns.org/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
On 9/6/2022 5:10 PM, jkn wrote: On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 9:06:31 PM UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote: Mark Pilgram's "Dive Into Python" was good. Now he's updated it for Python 3: like, about ten years ago? (I think Mark Pilgrim dropped off the 'net many years ago...) Yes, I thought so too, but I just found the website and it's operating. Could be for all I know that the Python3 version is ten years old, but the book should still be worthwhile. https://diveintopython3.net On 9/6/2022 11:36 AM, Meredith Montgomery wrote: Paul Rubin writes: Meredith Montgomery writes: So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a book on Python? The ones by David Beazley are great. Same with his non-book writings about Python. See: http://dabeaz.com/ Distilled Python is looking really nice, actually. It seems so concise, so it looks like a really nice first read. Thank you for the recommendation. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
RE: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
Subject: searching for books by an author you like on rather unrelated topics. I am curious if you normally look or books by a writer of Mysteries you like to see if they also wrote Science Fiction or Cookbooks and so on? Having said that, there are plenty of people in the Computer Science field who are quite multi-lingual and may know one or a few "languages" intimately and quite a bit about others and at least have heard of many more. Most such people never write a single book of the kind you are looking for. However, once someone does write some introductory book on some language or other system, sometimes with co-authors, some do indeed proceed to write additional books albeit not always of high quality. I have seen people who say were quite familiar with a language like C then turn around and try to teach languages like Python or R with an emphasis on doing things using similar methods like using explicit loops where others might use vectorized operations or comprehensions. I think the method of selecting an author is a bit flawed as a concept but not irrelevant. An author for an introductory textbook for non-programmers might not do as well in another book about the same language made for programmers who already can program in one or more other languages and mainly want to know how this language differs from others. And certainly they may not do well writing about more detailed or sophisticated aspects of the language. But the opposite is true. Many "experts" are horrible at explaining simpler things at the right level for newbies. You, do sound like you know something about programming in one or more other languages and simply want to add-on Python. There are quite a few books available including some older and some recent. What you likely should prioritize is newer books that focus over post-version2 as that is supposed to no longer be used when possible. Then you need to figure out if you are just curious or want a job using it and so on. One possibility is to visit a library (or online e-books) and flip through pages. Often you may find an earlier edition and after some perusal, consider getting an updated recent version of that book by the same author. I have read dozens of books on Python but leave recommendations to others as each is different and I wanted to see many sides. -Original Message- From: Python-list On Behalf Of Meredith Montgomery Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 10:23 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: any author you find very good has written a book on Python? I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he also never did. I also tried to search for Richard Heathfield. (I took a look at his ``C Unleashed'' once and I liked what I saw.) This is how I search for books --- I go through the authors first. Charles Petzold, for instance, anything he writes is worth reading it. (Have you given his Annotated Turing a shot? It's a very nice read.) So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a book on Python? It could be for in a certain specific context. For instance, I also searched for Hadley Wickham in the hope that he could have written a data-science-type of book using Python. I like his writing a lot, but he also only seems to have written only for the R language. Thank you! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 9:06:31 PM UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote: > Mark Pilgram's "Dive Into Python" was good. Now he's updated it for > Python 3: like, about ten years ago? (I think Mark Pilgrim dropped off the 'net many years ago...) > https://diveintopython3.net > On 9/6/2022 11:36 AM, Meredith Montgomery wrote: > > Paul Rubin writes: > > > >> Meredith Montgomery writes: > >>> So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a > >>> book on Python? > >> > >> The ones by David Beazley are great. Same with his non-book writings > >> about Python. See: http://dabeaz.com/ > > > > Distilled Python is looking really nice, actually. It seems so concise, > > so it looks like a really nice first read. Thank you for the > > recommendation. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 4:36:38 PM UTC+1, Meredith Montgomery wrote: > Paul Rubin writes: > > > Meredith Montgomery writes: > >> So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a > >> book on Python? > > > > The ones by David Beazley are great. Same with his non-book writings > > about Python. See: http://dabeaz.com/ > Distilled Python is looking really nice, actually. It seems so concise, > so it looks like a really nice first read. Thank you for the > recommendation. I concur with Paul's general recommendation of David Beazley's work. I bought a copy of Python Distilled recently, having 'grown up' with editions of his earlier 'Python Essential Reference', going back to the first edition (Python 1.5?) I confess to being slightly disappointed with 'Python Distilled', but I was probably expecting something that I shouldn't have. It is basically a relatively fast-paced introduction to 'modern' python, stripping down some of the fine detail that the 'Essential Reference' books leave in. I am not 100% sure how useful it would be for relative beginners; it depends what you are looking for. As a reference to functions and library usage etc., the essential reference books are (still) great, and cheap via eBay. As a stepping stone from 'fluent beginner', it might well be perfect. As a hand-holding learning guide, maybe not so great. I'm by no means trying to diss Beazley's work, I think it is great; just trying to indicate what you get for your money, and maybe the target audience. J^n -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
On 2022-09-05 23:22:34 -0300, Meredith Montgomery wrote: > I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just > searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he > never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he > also never did. I also tried to search for Richard Heathfield. (I took > a look at his ``C Unleashed'' once and I liked what I saw.) This is how > I search for books --- I go through the authors first. Unfortunately I can't help you (never read a book on Python myself), but that seems like a weird way to search for a book on a language. I woudn't expect a single author to be able to write good books on more than a handful[1] of languages. Learning a language well takes time. Learning it so well that you can teach it well takes even longer. So I'd be quite ware of authors who write books on lots of different languages. hp [1] Possibly the hand of a carpenter. -- _ | Peter J. Holzer| Story must make more sense than reality. |_|_) || | | | h...@hjp.at |-- Charles Stross, "Creative writing __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | challenge!" signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
On 9/5/2022 8:22 PM, Meredith Montgomery wrote: I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he also never did. I also tried to search for Richard Heathfield. (I took a look at his ``C Unleashed'' once and I liked what I saw.) This is how I search for books --- I go through the authors first. Charles Petzold, for instance, anything he writes is worth reading it. (Have you given his Annotated Turing a shot? It's a very nice read.) So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a book on Python? It could be for in a certain specific context. For instance, I also searched for Hadley Wickham in the hope that he could have written a data-science-type of book using Python. I like his writing a lot, but he also only seems to have written only for the R language. Thank you! I liked _Introducing Python_ by Bill Lubanovic. Louis -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
Mark Pilgram's "Dive Into Python" was good. Now he's updated it for Python 3: https://diveintopython3.net On 9/6/2022 11:36 AM, Meredith Montgomery wrote: Paul Rubin writes: Meredith Montgomery writes: So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a book on Python? The ones by David Beazley are great. Same with his non-book writings about Python. See: http://dabeaz.com/ Distilled Python is looking really nice, actually. It seems so concise, so it looks like a really nice first read. Thank you for the recommendation. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
Paul Rubin writes: > Meredith Montgomery writes: >> So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a >> book on Python? > > The ones by David Beazley are great. Same with his non-book writings > about Python. See: http://dabeaz.com/ Distilled Python is looking really nice, actually. It seems so concise, so it looks like a really nice first read. Thank you for the recommendation. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
any author you find very good has written a book on Python?
I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he also never did. I also tried to search for Richard Heathfield. (I took a look at his ``C Unleashed'' once and I liked what I saw.) This is how I search for books --- I go through the authors first. Charles Petzold, for instance, anything he writes is worth reading it. (Have you given his Annotated Turing a shot? It's a very nice read.) So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a book on Python? It could be for in a certain specific context. For instance, I also searched for Hadley Wickham in the hope that he could have written a data-science-type of book using Python. I like his writing a lot, but he also only seems to have written only for the R language. Thank you! -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
