Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:51:25 PM UTC+5:30, jmf wrote: Useless and really ugly. Evidently one can do worse: http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/installing.html#requirements -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
Le jeudi 6 février 2014 13:23:03 UTC+1, Rustom Mody a écrit : On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:51:25 PM UTC+5:30, jmf wrote: Useless and really ugly. Evidently one can do worse: http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/installing.html#requirements or http://cx-freeze.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:51:25 PM UTC+5:30, jmf wrote: Useless and really ugly. Evidently one can do worse: http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/installing.html#requirements Aside from using a little chain link icon rather than a typographer's symbol, that looks exactly the same. How's it worse? ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:51 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: I got it. If I'm visiting a page like this: http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html#the-python-tutorial 1) To read the page, I'm scrolling down. 2) When I have finished to read the page, I scroll up (or scroll back/up) to the top of the page until I see this feature and the title. 3) I click on this feature. 4) The title, already visible, moves, let's say, 2cm higher. ...? Those links aren't for navigation. They're so you can discover anchor links in the page and pass them to someone else. For instance, if I want to point someone to the section of the tutorial that talks about reading and writing files, I could just give them this link: http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/inputoutput.html#reading-and-writing-files, instead of pointing them to the main page and instructing them to scroll down until they see Section 7.2 I was able to discover that link by opening the page, highlighting the section header with my mouse, then clicking the pilcrow. That gives me the anchor link to that section header. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
Le mardi 4 février 2014 15:39:54 UTC+1, Jerry Hill a écrit : On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:51 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: I got it. If I'm visiting a page like this: http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html#the-python-tutorial 1) To read the page, I'm scrolling down. 2) When I have finished to read the page, I scroll up (or scroll back/up) to the top of the page until I see this feature and the title. 3) I click on this feature. 4) The title, already visible, moves, let's say, 2cm higher. ...? Those links aren't for navigation. They're so you can discover anchor links in the page and pass them to someone else. For instance, if I want to point someone to the section of the tutorial that talks about reading and writing files, I could just give them this link: http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/inputoutput.html#reading-and-writing-files, instead of pointing them to the main page and instructing them to scroll down until they see Section 7.2 I was able to discover that link by opening the page, highlighting the section header with my mouse, then clicking the pilcrow. That gives me the anchor link to that section header. Useless and really ugly. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
2014-02-04 wxjmfa...@gmail.com: Le mardi 4 février 2014 15:39:54 UTC+1, Jerry Hill a écrit : Useless and really ugly. I think this whole discussion is rather useless instead, why do you care since you're not going to use this tool anyway? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
generator slides review and Python doc I do not know what tool is used to produce such slides. When the mouse is over a a text like a title (H* ... \H* ???) the text get transformed and a colored eol is appearing. Example with the slide #3: Even numbers becomes Even numbers§ with a visible colored §, 'SECTION SIGN' I noticed the same effect with the Python doc since ? (long time). Eg. The Python Tutorial appears as The Python Tutorial¶ with a visible colored ¶, 'PILCROW SIGN', blueish in Python 3, red in Python 2.7.6. And in plenty third party Python docs using probaly the same tool as the official Python doc. The eol glyph may vary and may not be a § or a ¶. Windows, Firefox and others. The .chm files do not seem to be affected. jmf -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
- Original Message - generator slides review and Python doc I do not know what tool is used to produce such slides. When the mouse is over a a text like a title (H* ... \H* ???) the text get transformed and a colored eol is appearing. Used to get a link to the given chapter/section... Works as intended. Sphinx features the same thing, it can be disabled. JM Note : the links provided in the OP example are broken though -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
On 02/03/2014 06:59 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: generator slides review and Python doc I do not know what tool is used to produce such slides. What slides? What web site are you referring to? A little context wouldn't hurt. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
On 03/02/2014 13:59, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I noticed the same effect with the Python doc since ? (long time). Eg. The Python Tutorial appears as The Python Tutorial¶ with a visible colored ¶, 'PILCROW SIGN', blueish in Python 3, red in Python 2.7.6. Hint: try clicking the ¶. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
2014-02-03 wxjmfa...@gmail.com: generator slides review and Python doc I do not know what tool is used to produce such slides. When the mouse is over a a text like a title (H* ... \H* ???) the text get transformed and a colored eol is appearing. Example with the slide #3: Even numbers becomes Even numbers§ with a visible colored §, 'SECTION SIGN' I noticed the same effect with the Python doc since ? (long time). Eg. The Python Tutorial appears as The Python Tutorial¶ with a visible colored ¶, 'PILCROW SIGN', blueish in Python 3, red in Python 2.7.6. And in plenty third party Python docs using probaly the same tool as the official Python doc. The eol glyph may vary and may not be a § or a ¶. Windows, Firefox and others. The .chm files do not seem to be affected. jmf -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list I just saw now this mail you didn't reply to my email correctly.. Anyway I use this: https://github.com/nyergler/hieroglyph And I just use sphinx + RST to generate the slides, the raw source is here: https://raw2.github.com/AndreaCrotti/generators/master/index.rst -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
Le lundi 3 février 2014 18:42:36 UTC+1, Rotwang a écrit : On 03/02/2014 13:59, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I noticed the same effect with the Python doc since ? (long time). Eg. The Python Tutorial appears as The Python Tutorial¶ with a visible colored ¶, 'PILCROW SIGN', blueish in Python 3, red in Python 2.7.6 Hint: try clicking the ¶. I never was aware of this feature. Is it deliverate? It gives to me the feeling of a badly programmed html page, especially if this sign does correspond to an eol! jmf -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:37 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: Le lundi 3 février 2014 18:42:36 UTC+1, Rotwang a écrit : On 03/02/2014 13:59, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: Hint: try clicking the ¶. I never was aware of this feature. Is it deliverate? It gives to me the feeling of a badly programmed html page, especially if this sign does correspond to an eol! Very deliberate, and very useful. I don't know why that sign should correspond to a line end; I grew up with it representing paragraph, which is close to what it means here. (Well, that and Ctrl-T, since it was character 20 on those old systems.) Yes, it does sometimes get a little distracting as the mouse moves over and away, but it would be more confusing to have it always shown, and I don't know of any better way to do it. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
On 03/02/2014 18:37, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Hint: try clicking the ¶. I never was aware of this feature. Is it deliverate? Do you mean deliberate? Of course it is. It gives to me the feeling of a badly programmed html page, especially if this sign does correspond to an eol! Why on Earth would the sign correspond to an EOL? The section sign and pilcrow have a history of being used to refer to sections and paragraphs respectively, so using them for permalinks to individual sections of a web page makes perfect sense. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug)
Le lundi 3 février 2014 19:55:26 UTC+1, Rotwang a écrit : On 03/02/2014 18:37, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Hint: try clicking the ¶. I never was aware of this feature. Is it deliverate? Do you mean deliberate? Of course it is. It gives to me the feeling of a badly programmed html page, especially if this sign does correspond to an eol! Why on Earth would the sign correspond to an EOL? The section sign and pilcrow have a history of being used to refer to sections and paragraphs respectively, so using them for permalinks to individual sections of a web page makes perfect sense. Sorry. I should have written end of paragraph or section. Having said this, that's because these signs are usually used to signal an end of ...', that I find these signs as link not really meaningful. jmf -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
[OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
Rotwang sg...@hotmail.co.uk writes: Why on Earth would the [“¶”, U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN] correspond to an EOL? The section sign and pilcrow have a history of being used to refer to sections and paragraphs respectively, so using them for permalinks to individual sections of a web page makes perfect sense. Symbols commonly have multiple meanings, derived from usage. URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilcrow#Contemporary_use -- \ “Progress might have been all right once, but it's gone on too | `\long.” —Ogden Nash | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
Le lundi 3 février 2014 23:56:43 UTC+1, Ben Finney a écrit : Rotwang sg...@hotmail.co.uk writes: Why on Earth would the [¶, U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN] correspond to an EOL? The section sign and pilcrow have a history of being used to refer to sections and paragraphs respectively, so using them for permalinks to individual sections of a web page makes perfect sense. Symbols commonly have multiple meanings, derived from usage. URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilcrow#Contemporary_use -- \ Progress might have been all right once, but it's gone on too | `\long. --Ogden Nash | _o__) | Ben Finney I got it. If I'm visiting a page like this: http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html#the-python-tutorial 1) To read the page, I'm scrolling down. 2) When I have finished to read the page, I scroll up (or scroll back/up) to the top of the page until I see this feature and the title. 3) I click on this feature. 4) The title, already visible, moves, let's say, 2cm higher. ...? Having a pilcrow to signal or to display an end of paragraph is one thing. Using a pilcrow as a link seems to me very strange. Especially if the target of that link has nothing to with paragraph, but with section! jmf -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [OT] Usage of U+00B6 PILCROW SIGN (was: generator slides review and Python doc (+/- text bug))
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: 2) When I have finished to read the page, I scroll up (or scroll back/up) to the top of the page until I see this feature and the title. 3) I click on this feature. 4) The title, already visible, moves, let's say, 2cm higher. At which point your URL bar shows a hash link to this exact section, which you can then copy and paste into an email, for instance. That's what it's good for. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
