Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Cholo Lennon]

On 16/10/17 01:00, Michael Torrie wrote:

On 10/15/2017 08:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:

Gents,
  how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
please advise..

P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...


Regardless of what usenet reader you use, com.lang.python will have the
same spam everywhere.  So maybe reading via usenet isn't that useful anyway.


I use Mozilla Thunderbird as a newsreader. I am subscribed to 
'comp.lang.python' through the free NNTP server 'news.aioe.org'. My spam 
filter for python only has 6 address!




I just subscribe to the mailing list and then have a rule in my email
filter to stick all list messages in their own folder (or gmail label).
I'm using gmail, so I just use gmail's filtering settings.  Then I view
email using IMAP and a conventional email reader that supports real
threading of messages.  Works great.  A lot of spam is filtered out this
way, also.  In fact very little spam gets through to my folder between
python.org's filtering and gmail's spam detection.

I'm subscribed to maybe a dozen email lists, and I filter all of them
into their own folders.



In my case I am subscribed (with Thunderbird) to more than 30 newsgroups 
(in 3 news servers). I have to say that spam is not a problem.


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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Thomas Jollans]

On 2017-10-17 20:38, Pete Forman wrote:
> Thomas Jollans  writes:
> 
>> On 16/10/17 20:02, Pete Forman wrote:
>>> Thomas Jollans  writes:
>>>
 On 2017-10-16 08:48, Pete Forman wrote:
> Andrew Z  writes:
>
>> hmm. i did do that.  maybe just a delay.
>> I'll see how it will go tomorrow then. Thank you gents.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Z  wrote:
 Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only
 and can't really reply that way. i was hoping to get the
 mail.python.org list
>>>
>>> Turn off digests then. Easy!
>
> If you do stick with a digest then check your newsreader for a feature
> to expand it. Then you can read and reply as if you were getting
> individual posts.
>
 That exists? How does it work?
>>>
>>> The Gnus newsreader in Emacs allows you to type C-d on a digest to run
>>> gnus-summary-enter-digest-group. That then behaves the same as if you
>>> opened any other summary such as a regular Usenet group.
>>>
>>
>> Does it set the References header correctly when replying?
> 
> Sorry, I am not in a position to test. The only digest I subscribe to is
> comp.risks. The only messsage id in that is a single one for the whole
> digest. Each article only has date, subject and from headers. You would
> need to look inside a Python digest to see if it carries more headers
> for the articles. If they are not present then they cannot be used when
> composing a reply.
> 

I see. I've never subscribed to anything as a digest so I don't really
know what they look like, but judging from
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2017-October/727421.html
(section of the digest quoted at the bottom) it *could* work.


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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Pete Forman]

Thomas Jollans  writes:

> On 16/10/17 20:02, Pete Forman wrote:
>> Thomas Jollans  writes:
>> 
>>> On 2017-10-16 08:48, Pete Forman wrote:
 Andrew Z  writes:

> hmm. i did do that.  maybe just a delay.
> I'll see how it will go tomorrow then. Thank you gents.
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Z  wrote:
>>> Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only
>>> and can't really reply that way. i was hoping to get the
>>> mail.python.org list
>>
>> Turn off digests then. Easy!

 If you do stick with a digest then check your newsreader for a feature
 to expand it. Then you can read and reply as if you were getting
 individual posts.

>>> That exists? How does it work?
>> 
>> The Gnus newsreader in Emacs allows you to type C-d on a digest to run
>> gnus-summary-enter-digest-group. That then behaves the same as if you
>> opened any other summary such as a regular Usenet group.
>> 
>
> Does it set the References header correctly when replying?

Sorry, I am not in a position to test. The only digest I subscribe to is
comp.risks. The only messsage id in that is a single one for the whole
digest. Each article only has date, subject and from headers. You would
need to look inside a Python digest to see if it carries more headers
for the articles. If they are not present then they cannot be used when
composing a reply.

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Thomas Jollans]

On 17/10/17 00:55, Mikhail V wrote:
> Thomas wrote:
>>
>> On 16/10/17 20:02, Pete Forman wrote:
>>> Thomas Jollans  writes:
>>> ...
> If you do stick with a digest then check your newsreader for a feature
> to expand it. Then you can read and reply as if you were getting
> individual posts.
>
 That exists? How does it work?
>>>
>>> The Gnus newsreader in Emacs allows you to type C-d on a digest to run
>>> gnus-summary-enter-digest-group. That then behaves the same as if you
>>> opened any other summary such as a regular Usenet group.
>>>
>>
>> Does it set the References header correctly when replying?
> 
> Hi Thomas, regarding the issue with my reply-to header you told me recently -
> Does this message looks ok in your threaded view now?
> 
> Now I reply by the href of the message I looked up in pipermail archive,
> just curious if it looks now correctly.


I'm afraid not.


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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)]

Andrew Z  께서 쓰시길,
 《記事 全文  에서》:

> Gents,
>  how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
> workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
> members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
> please advise..
>
> P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...

It would be nice "gmane.comp.python.general" via NNTP, there are no spam. 

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Cameron Simpson]

On 15Oct2017 22:50, Andrew Z  wrote:

how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
please advise..

P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...


Well comp.langpython _is_ the newsgroup.

I recommend using the mailing list in individual message mode. It is far 
better. Many mail readers have good interfaces, and you get to keep all the 
messages, making it easy to find things later or to read in a nice threaded 
way.


Digests have many problems, some of which you're well aware of. I wish they 
weren't even an option.


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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Mikhail V]

Thomas wrote:
>
> On 16/10/17 20:02, Pete Forman wrote:
> > Thomas Jollans  writes:
> > ...
> >>> If you do stick with a digest then check your newsreader for a feature
> >>> to expand it. Then you can read and reply as if you were getting
> >>> individual posts.
> >>>
> >> That exists? How does it work?
> >
> > The Gnus newsreader in Emacs allows you to type C-d on a digest to run
> > gnus-summary-enter-digest-group. That then behaves the same as if you
> > opened any other summary such as a regular Usenet group.
> >
>
> Does it set the References header correctly when replying?

Hi Thomas, regarding the issue with my reply-to header you told me recently -
Does this message looks ok in your threaded view now?

Now I reply by the href of the message I looked up in pipermail archive,
just curious if it looks now correctly.


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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Thomas Jollans]

On 16/10/17 20:02, Pete Forman wrote:
> Thomas Jollans  writes:
> 
>> On 2017-10-16 08:48, Pete Forman wrote:
>>> Andrew Z  writes:
>>>
 hmm. i did do that.  maybe just a delay.
 I'll see how it will go tomorrow then. Thank you gents.

 On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Z  wrote:
>> Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only
>> and can't really reply that way. i was hoping to get the
>> mail.python.org list
>
> Turn off digests then. Easy!
>>>
>>> If you do stick with a digest then check your newsreader for a feature
>>> to expand it. Then you can read and reply as if you were getting
>>> individual posts.
>>>
>> That exists? How does it work?
> 
> The Gnus newsreader in Emacs allows you to type C-d on a digest to run
> gnus-summary-enter-digest-group. That then behaves the same as if you
> opened any other summary such as a regular Usenet group.
> 

Does it set the References header correctly when replying?

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Pete Forman]

Thomas Jollans  writes:

> On 2017-10-16 08:48, Pete Forman wrote:
>> Andrew Z  writes:
>>
>>> hmm. i did do that.  maybe just a delay.
>>> I'll see how it will go tomorrow then. Thank you gents.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Z  wrote:
> Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only
> and can't really reply that way. i was hoping to get the
> mail.python.org list

 Turn off digests then. Easy!
>>
>> If you do stick with a digest then check your newsreader for a feature
>> to expand it. Then you can read and reply as if you were getting
>> individual posts.
>>
> That exists? How does it work?

The Gnus newsreader in Emacs allows you to type C-d on a digest to run
gnus-summary-enter-digest-group. That then behaves the same as if you
opened any other summary such as a regular Usenet group.

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Chris Green]

Marko Rauhamaa  wrote:
> Chris Green :
> 
> > I read newsgroups using tin, a text-mode/command line newsreader. I
> > always run tin on my home desktop machine, even if I'm away from home
> > by using ssh. So I maintain my settings that way. By the way tin *is*
> > mouse away even though it's a text mode program.
> >
> > For reading mailing lists (and all my mail for that matter) I use mutt
> > which is also a text mode program. It makes reading mailing lists easy
> > because it provides threading etc. I use like I use tin, alway on my
> > desktop machine using ssh where necessary.
> 
> Same thing, except that I do all of my typing on emacs (GNUS in the case
> of news and mail).
> 
That's the other advantage of working this way, one always uses the
same text editor for composing messages, I use a vi clone (let's not
start a vi/emacs war!).

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Marko Rauhamaa]

Chris Green :

> I read newsgroups using tin, a text-mode/command line newsreader. I
> always run tin on my home desktop machine, even if I'm away from home
> by using ssh. So I maintain my settings that way. By the way tin *is*
> mouse away even though it's a text mode program.
>
> For reading mailing lists (and all my mail for that matter) I use mutt
> which is also a text mode program. It makes reading mailing lists easy
> because it provides threading etc. I use like I use tin, alway on my
> desktop machine using ssh where necessary.

Same thing, except that I do all of my typing on emacs (GNUS in the case
of news and mail).


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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Chris Green]

Paul Moore  wrote:
> On 16 October 2017 at 15:41, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> > On 2017-10-16, Terry Reedy  wrote:
> >> On 10/15/2017 10:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
> >>> Gents,
> >>>   how do i get this group in a newsreader?
> >>
> >> Point your newsreader to news.gmane.org,
> >
> > That, IMO, is the only sane way to read mailing lists.  If a mailing
> > list isn't carried on gmane, I don't bother with it.
> 
> Unless you work regularly on multiple PCs, as there's no newsreader I
> know of that maintains your settings (what articles you have read, in
> particular) across multiple installations. And gmane's UI sucks.
> 
> For that situation, reading mailing lists as mails in gmail is the
> best option I've been able to find (not ideal, but adequate).

I read newsgroups using tin, a text-mode/command line newsreader.  I
always run tin on my home desktop machine, even if I'm away from home
by using ssh.  So I maintain my settings that way.  By the way tin
*is* mouse away even though it's a text mode program.

For reading mailing lists (and all my mail for that matter) I use mutt
which is also a text mode program.  It makes reading mailing lists
easy because it provides threading etc.  I use like I use tin, alway
on my desktop machine using ssh where necessary.

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Rhodri James]

On 16/10/17 16:07, Grant Edwards wrote:

Ah yes.  I solved problem that by writing a wrapper around slrn so
that my .newsrc and .score files reside "in the could".

  ^

Now there's a typo someone should run with :-)

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Michael Torrie]

On 10/16/2017 08:52 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
> For that situation, reading mailing lists as mails in gmail is the
> best option I've been able to find (not ideal, but adequate).
> Paul

Gmail's web interface is completely broken as far as mailing lists are
concerned.  Conversation view in no way is adequate for the more
complex, multi-person threads that are common.  Gmail does not preserve
the flow and context of such emails.

However Gmail over IMAP is adequate.  There is the issue of in IMAP
gmail will silently through away your replies to messages when they come
through the mailing list server, which is a pretty serious and
long-standing brokenness.  But if you send messages via a different smtp
server than gmail's, it doesn't do that.

If reading the list from anywhere is important, one can always use a
web-based mail client like RoundCube against Gmail's IMAP server.

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Paul Moore]

On 16 October 2017 at 16:07, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> On 2017-10-16, Paul Moore  wrote:
>> Unless you work regularly on multiple PCs, as there's no newsreader I
>> know of that maintains your settings (what articles you have read, in
>> particular) across multiple installations.
>
> Ah yes.  I solved problem that by writing a wrapper around slrn so
> that my .newsrc and .score files reside "in the could".  [They're
> actually just sitting in my home directory on a Unix server which I
> can scp them to/from.

Something like that would be great, but not practical for me to write
myself. I'm on Windows machines, and Windows newsreaders from what I
recall aren't as hackable as Unix ones (I'm able to write the code,
but not if the data isn't accessible...). Also, on at least one of my
PCs I'm behind a firewall that blocks access to pretty much all
"personal cloud storage" sites, so a DIY solution isn't possible.
Something like Chrome's "sync my settings" would be ideal, but I've
never found anything like that in a newsreader.

> You mean the gmail web UI?  I don't even use that e-mail (and I use
> gmail for all my e-mail).

Yep. Same reason, it's the only globally accessible option. (I could
use a mail client on the systems that don't block IMAP, but I'd still
need the web UI for the others, and for "borrowed" PCs that I have no
software on).

The cloud is great, but the app UIs are still a lot worse than a
dedicated client app, sadly...
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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-10-16, Paul Moore  wrote:
> On 16 October 2017 at 15:41, Grant Edwards  wrote:
>> On 2017-10-16, Terry Reedy  wrote:
>>> On 10/15/2017 10:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
 Gents,
   how do i get this group in a newsreader?
>>>
>>> Point your newsreader to news.gmane.org,
>>
>> That, IMO, is the only sane way to read mailing lists.  If a mailing
>> list isn't carried on gmane, I don't bother with it.
>
> Unless you work regularly on multiple PCs, as there's no newsreader I
> know of that maintains your settings (what articles you have read, in
> particular) across multiple installations.

Ah yes.  I solved problem that by writing a wrapper around slrn so
that my .newsrc and .score files reside "in the could".  [They're
actually just sitting in my home directory on a Unix server which I
can scp them to/from.

> And gmane's UI sucks.

AFIAK, it has no UI.  The web interface has been completely broken for
a couple years now.  It was always mediocre at best (the built-in
search was useless), but it did provide something that you could
search with Google, and it was sometimes handy when you wanted to
provide somebody with a link to a particular posting from years gone
by.

> For that situation, reading mailing lists as mails in gmail is the
> best option I've been able to find (not ideal, but adequate).

You mean the gmail web UI?  I don't even use that e-mail (and I use
gmail for all my e-mail).

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Paul Moore]

On 16 October 2017 at 15:41, Grant Edwards  wrote:
> On 2017-10-16, Terry Reedy  wrote:
>> On 10/15/2017 10:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
>>> Gents,
>>>   how do i get this group in a newsreader?
>>
>> Point your newsreader to news.gmane.org,
>
> That, IMO, is the only sane way to read mailing lists.  If a mailing
> list isn't carried on gmane, I don't bother with it.

Unless you work regularly on multiple PCs, as there's no newsreader I
know of that maintains your settings (what articles you have read, in
particular) across multiple installations. And gmane's UI sucks.

For that situation, reading mailing lists as mails in gmail is the
best option I've been able to find (not ideal, but adequate).
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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-10-16, Terry Reedy  wrote:
> On 10/15/2017 10:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
>> Gents,
>>   how do i get this group in a newsreader?
>
> Point your newsreader to news.gmane.org,

That, IMO, is the only sane way to read mailing lists.  If a mailing
list isn't carried on gmane, I don't bother with it.

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Ned Batchelder]

On 10/16/17 12:31 AM, Andrew Z wrote:

i'm typing without thinking. Sorry. Let me try again.

I subscribed to python-list@python.org. That has 0 spam ( as far as i can
see), but i can only get a digest.


You can choose to get individual messages from Python-List.

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Terry Reedy]

On 10/15/2017 10:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:

Gents,
  how do i get this group in a newsreader?


Point your newsreader to news.gmane.org, group 
gmane.comp.python.general, which mirrors python-list, among hundreds or 
thousands of other lists.  If you check the headers of this message, you 
should see that I am posting via gmane.


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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[alister via Python-list]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:57:18 +0100, Chris Green wrote:

> Michael Torrie  wrote:
>> On 10/15/2017 08:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
>> > Gents,
>> >  how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is
>> >  not
>> > workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
>> > members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
>> > please advise..
>> > 
>> > P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...
>> 
>> Regardless of what usenet reader you use, com.lang.python will have the
>> same spam everywhere.  So maybe reading via usenet isn't that useful
>> anyway.
>> 
> The mostly very silly spam is trivial to filter with some very simple
> rules, most newsreaders have easy ways to specify subjects and/or
> senders to ignore.  I have (I think) just three or four rules that
> eliminate just about all the junk.

Although that is the case I ma finding that because of the amount of junk 
in this newsgroup I am rapidly running out of space in /dev/null !



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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Thomas Jollans]

On 2017-10-16 08:48, Pete Forman wrote:
> Andrew Z  writes:
> 
>> hmm. i did do that.  maybe just a delay.
>> I'll see how it will go tomorrow then. Thank you gents.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Z  wrote:
 Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only
 and can't really reply that way. i was hoping to get the
 mail.python.org list
>>>
>>> Turn off digests then. Easy!
> 
> If you do stick with a digest then check your newsreader for a feature
> to expand it. Then you can read and reply as if you were getting
> individual posts.
> 
That exists? How does it work?

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Chris Green]

Michael Torrie  wrote:
> On 10/15/2017 08:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
> > Gents,
> >  how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
> > workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
> > members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
> > please advise..
> > 
> > P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...
> 
> Regardless of what usenet reader you use, com.lang.python will have the
> same spam everywhere.  So maybe reading via usenet isn't that useful anyway.
> 
The mostly very silly spam is trivial to filter with some very simple
rules, most newsreaders have easy ways to specify subjects and/or
senders to ignore.  I have (I think) just three or four rules that
eliminate just about all the junk.

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Pete Forman]

Andrew Z  writes:

> hmm. i did do that.  maybe just a delay.
> I'll see how it will go tomorrow then. Thank you gents.
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Z  wrote:
>> > Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only
>> > and can't really reply that way. i was hoping to get the
>> > mail.python.org list
>>
>> Turn off digests then. Easy!

If you do stick with a digest then check your newsreader for a feature
to expand it. Then you can read and reply as if you were getting
individual posts.

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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Andrew Z]

hmm. i did do that.  maybe just a delay.
I'll see how it will go tomorrow then. Thank you gents.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Chris Angelico  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Z  wrote:
> > Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only and
> can't
> > really reply that way. i was hoping to get the mail.python.org list
>
> Turn off digests then. Easy!
>
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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Andrew Z]

i'm typing without thinking. Sorry. Let me try again.

I subscribed to python-list@python.org. That has 0 spam ( as far as i can
see), but i can only get a digest.
They do say the list and comp.python group are bidirectional, but - at comp
- tons of spam, there - none.

The google groups doesn't seemed to filter anything in the comp group. But
what you recommend is to access the group using regular email client and
use it's spam filtering . Did i get that right ?


On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Andrew Z  wrote:

> Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only and
> can't really reply that way. i was hoping to get the mail.python.org
> list
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Michael Torrie 
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/15/2017 08:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
>> > Gents,
>> >  how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
>> > workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
>> > members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
>> > please advise..
>> >
>> > P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...
>>
>> Regardless of what usenet reader you use, com.lang.python will have the
>> same spam everywhere.  So maybe reading via usenet isn't that useful
>> anyway.
>>
>> I just subscribe to the mailing list and then have a rule in my email
>> filter to stick all list messages in their own folder (or gmail label).
>> I'm using gmail, so I just use gmail's filtering settings.  Then I view
>> email using IMAP and a conventional email reader that supports real
>> threading of messages.  Works great.  A lot of spam is filtered out this
>> way, also.  In fact very little spam gets through to my folder between
>> python.org's filtering and gmail's spam detection.
>>
>> I'm subscribed to maybe a dozen email lists, and I filter all of them
>> into their own folders.
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>>
>
>
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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Chris Angelico]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Z  wrote:
> Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only and can't
> really reply that way. i was hoping to get the mail.python.org list

Turn off digests then. Easy!

ChrisA
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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Andrew Z]

Michael, that's what i use too - gmail. But i get the digest only and can't
really reply that way. i was hoping to get the mail.python.org list

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Michael Torrie  wrote:

> On 10/15/2017 08:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
> > Gents,
> >  how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
> > workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
> > members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
> > please advise..
> >
> > P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...
>
> Regardless of what usenet reader you use, com.lang.python will have the
> same spam everywhere.  So maybe reading via usenet isn't that useful
> anyway.
>
> I just subscribe to the mailing list and then have a rule in my email
> filter to stick all list messages in their own folder (or gmail label).
> I'm using gmail, so I just use gmail's filtering settings.  Then I view
> email using IMAP and a conventional email reader that supports real
> threading of messages.  Works great.  A lot of spam is filtered out this
> way, also.  In fact very little spam gets through to my folder between
> python.org's filtering and gmail's spam detection.
>
> I'm subscribed to maybe a dozen email lists, and I filter all of them
> into their own folders.
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
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Re: how to read in the newsreader

[Michael Torrie]

On 10/15/2017 08:50 PM, Andrew Z wrote:
> Gents,
>  how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
> workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
> members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
> please advise..
> 
> P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...

Regardless of what usenet reader you use, com.lang.python will have the
same spam everywhere.  So maybe reading via usenet isn't that useful anyway.

I just subscribe to the mailing list and then have a rule in my email
filter to stick all list messages in their own folder (or gmail label).
I'm using gmail, so I just use gmail's filtering settings.  Then I view
email using IMAP and a conventional email reader that supports real
threading of messages.  Works great.  A lot of spam is filtered out this
way, also.  In fact very little spam gets through to my folder between
python.org's filtering and gmail's spam detection.

I'm subscribed to maybe a dozen email lists, and I filter all of them
into their own folders.
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how to read in the newsreader

[Andrew Z]

Gents,
 how do i get this group in a newsreader? The digest i'm getting is not
workable for me - i can't reply , can only read the replies from the
members of the group. Or. maybe, it shouldn't be a news reader
please advise..

P.S. Oh the comp.lang.python is a nightmare because of spam...
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