Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Alex Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll voice a heretic thought: me, I'm sticking with good old Numeric until the situation with the newer packages settles down. Not much of a heresy, I think. The numpy site recommends that *new* users start with numpy but I don't remember the numeric/numpy folks recommending that happy, experienced numeric users dump it yet. The current development version of numpy is still labelled as a development version (0.9.8, I believe) and besides bug fixes, it still made a few tweeks in the user interface and C-API from the previous version. They are aiming to release a stable NumPy 1.0 by the end of the summer. Then maybe they will start pushing it, along with a compatible array interface for Python. Terry Jan Reedy -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Terry Reedy wrote: Alex Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll voice a heretic thought: me, I'm sticking with good old Numeric until the situation with the newer packages settles down. Not much of a heresy, I think. The numpy site recommends that *new* users start with numpy but I don't remember the numeric/numpy folks recommending that happy, experienced numeric users dump it yet. The current development version of numpy is still labelled as a development version (0.9.8, I believe) and besides bug fixes, it still made a few tweeks in the user interface and C-API from the previous version. They are aiming to release a stable NumPy 1.0 by the end of the summer. Then maybe they will start pushing it, along with a compatible array interface for Python. My tactic in answering Numeric questions on this list has been to give the numpy answer if the asker seems new to the field and give the Numeric answer *and* the (obviously superior) numpy answer otherwise. But that's mostly my natural politeness and tact (quit laughing. I can hear you sniggering back there!). We definitely *do* want old hands at Numeric to give numpy a try now. It's difficult to find the bugs, work out the transition headaches, and make the right design decisions without feedback from you. We are trying to get out a 1.0b1 in a couple of weeks. Hopefully, we can get to 1.0b2 by the SciPy conference in mid-August. If you've been holding off on trying numpy, the 1.0 betas will be the perfect time to jump in. It will also be your last chance to get your 2 cents in. -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... so, was Numarray written *before* NumPY, or was it a reimplementation of NumPy which implies it came *after* NumPy? it seems clear that Numeric is the old one and i read is not being worked on anymore. so that leaves Numarray and numpy. which of these two should i use? I'll voice a heretic thought: me, I'm sticking with good old Numeric until the situation with the newer packages settles down. Yes, Numeric is not being developed any more, but to me that also means it won't change under me and break something... and, it serves my personal computational needs until something equally stable finally arrives. (Of course, if and when I hit some bug in Numeric that will never be solved, or need some other add-on package which in turn demands a different numeric-array-computation underpinning, I'll have to change, but, so far, I have not found myself in either of these situations). Alex -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
numeric/numpy/numarray
hi, what is the difference among numeric, numpy and numarray? i'm going to start using matplotlib soon and i'm not sure which one i should use. this page says, Numarray is a re-implementation of an older Python array module called Numeric http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/numarray this page says, NumPy derives from the old Numeric code base and can be used as a replacement for Numeric. http://numeric.scipy.org/ i looked at the matplotlib examples today and if i remember correctly, the examples didn't use numarray. so i'm a bit confused. thanks, bryan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Bryan wrote: hi, what is the difference among numeric, numpy and numarray? i'm going to start using matplotlib soon and i'm not sure which one i should use. this page says, Numarray is a re-implementation of an older Python array module called Numeric http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/numarray this page says, NumPy derives from the old Numeric code base and can be used as a replacement for Numeric. http://numeric.scipy.org/ i looked at the matplotlib examples today and if i remember correctly, the examples didn't use numarray. so i'm a bit confused. thanks, bryan Look again at numeric.scipy.org, and this time: read the whole page, especially the section called Older Array Packages. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Simon Percivall wrote: Bryan wrote: hi, what is the difference among numeric, numpy and numarray? i'm going to start using matplotlib soon and i'm not sure which one i should use. Look again at numeric.scipy.org, and this time: read the whole page, especially the section called Older Array Packages. In particular, ignore any references to SciPy Core... Not to mention anything regarding older NumPy, which is nothing to do with newer NumPy, which is why common libraries (such as PyOpenGL) ask for NumPy v23 when the latest download on SourceForge is 0.9.8. Numeric libraries in Python are a nomenclatural nightmare. It's well past time that something made it into the standard library, I feel. -- Ben Sizer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Simon Percivall wrote: Bryan wrote: hi, what is the difference among numeric, numpy and numarray? i'm going to start using matplotlib soon and i'm not sure which one i should use. this page says, Numarray is a re-implementation of an older Python array module called Numeric http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/numarray this page says, NumPy derives from the old Numeric code base and can be used as a replacement for Numeric. http://numeric.scipy.org/ i looked at the matplotlib examples today and if i remember correctly, the examples didn't use numarray. so i'm a bit confused. thanks, bryan Look again at numeric.scipy.org, and this time: read the whole page, especially the section called Older Array Packages. at the end of that page, it says: Numarray is another implementation of an arrayobject for Python written after Numeric and before NumPy. Sponsors of numarray have indicated they will be moving to NumPy as soon as is feasible for them so that eventually numarray will be phased out. on the python wiki NumArray is the current reimplementation of NumPy. http://wiki.python.org/moin/NumArray so, was Numarray written *before* NumPY, or was it a reimplementation of NumPy which implies it came *after* NumPy? it seems clear that Numeric is the old one and i read is not being worked on anymore. so that leaves Numarray and numpy. which of these two should i use? thanks, bryan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Bryan wrote: at the end of that page, it says: Numarray is another implementation of an arrayobject for Python written after Numeric and before NumPy. Sponsors of numarray have indicated they will be moving to NumPy as soon as is feasible for them so that eventually numarray will be phased out. on the python wiki NumArray is the current reimplementation of NumPy. http://wiki.python.org/moin/NumArray so, was Numarray written *before* NumPY, or was it a reimplementation of NumPy which implies it came *after* NumPy? it seems clear that Numeric is the old one and i read is not being worked on anymore. so that leaves Numarray and numpy. which of these two should i use? Bryan, NumPy is the name of both an old package and a new package. I believe that NumArray came after the first incarnation, but that the new incarnation of NumPy is the most recent, and is probably the one you want. -- Ben Sizer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Ben Sizer wrote: Bryan wrote: at the end of that page, it says: Numarray is another implementation of an arrayobject for Python written after Numeric and before NumPy. Sponsors of numarray have indicated they will be moving to NumPy as soon as is feasible for them so that eventually numarray will be phased out. on the python wiki NumArray is the current reimplementation of NumPy. http://wiki.python.org/moin/NumArray so, was Numarray written *before* NumPY, or was it a reimplementation of NumPy which implies it came *after* NumPy? it seems clear that Numeric is the old one and i read is not being worked on anymore. so that leaves Numarray and numpy. which of these two should i use? Bryan, NumPy is the name of both an old package and a new package. I believe that NumArray came after the first incarnation, but that the new incarnation of NumPy is the most recent, and is probably the one you want. thanks ben, i'll use NumPy then. just wish it was clear and obvious which one to use so i wouldn't have had to ask this question here. bryan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Bryan == Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bryan hi, what is the difference among numeric, numpy and Bryan numarray? i'm going to start using matplotlib soon and i'm Bryan not sure which one i should use. numpy is the successor to numarray and Numeric. All three do basically the same thing. You should use numpy. matplotlib works with all three, you just need to be sure to set your numerix setting to numpy in your matplotlibrc file. numerix : numpy # numpy, Numeric or numarray On unix like OSes, this file is placed in ~/.matplotlib. On windows systems, it is usually found in C:\Documents and Settings\yourname\.matplotlib JDH -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on the python wiki NumArray is the current reimplementation of NumPy. http://wiki.python.org/moin/NumArray so, was Numarray written *before* NumPY, or was it a reimplementation of NumPy which implies it came *after* NumPy? I clarified that wiki page to use the name Numeric for the old version, and to point out that there is Numpy which is even newer than numarray. Dan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: numeric/numpy/numarray
Bryan wrote: hi, what is the difference among numeric, numpy and numarray? i'm going to start using matplotlib soon and i'm not sure which one i should use. There's a reasonably complete telling (and up-to-date!) of the history behind these packages here: http://www.scipy.org/History_of_SciPy -- Robert Kern I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth. -- Umberto Eco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
