Re: python first project
On 01/11/2014 09:14 PM, ngangsia akumbo wrote: From all indication it is a very huge project. Yep -- I built such a system in the late 70's with a team of seven over two-three years. Then modifications and improvements continued over the next 20 years keeping about 2-4 programmers busy full time. How much do you thing all this will cost if we were to put the system all complete. A lot. In today's dollars a million or two to do it right at a minimalist level. Going for the gold will be much more. IMHO you'd be better off researching the existing software market for an application suite the 'best fits' their needs and allows for customization to fine tune things. I'm now working with OpenERP which is python based and is OSS with a subscription model to ensure an upgrade path. It already has most of what you're looking for built in or available as third party addons and is of a quality that you couldn't hope to attain in years of effort. Which reflects the millions they've invested. see http://www.openerp.com for more. For an example of a commercially available entry level alternative costs check out: http://www.erpsoftwareblog.com/2012/10/microsoft-dynamics-gp-2013-pricing-and-costs/ Overall a much better choice than starting from scratch. That said, it wouldn't surprise me that the CEO hasn't already looked into alternatives and been put off by the costs involved. (S)he is trying to cheap their way through things by deluding themselves into a its-not-that-big-a-problem way of thinking that I wouldn't involve myself in that train wreck. Call me a sceptic -- it's true. :) HTH, Emile -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:37:41 PM UTC+1, Emile van Sebille wrote: On 01/11/2014 09:14 PM, ngangsia akumbo wrote: For an example of a commercially available entry level alternative costs check out: That said, it wouldn't surprise me that the CEO hasn't already looked into alternatives and been put off by the costs involved. (S)he is trying to cheap their way through things by deluding themselves into a its-not-that-big-a-problem way of thinking that I wouldn't involve myself in that train wreck. Call me a sceptic -- it's true. :) HAHAHAHAH, LOL THAT IS TRUE YOU SPOKE LIKE A MAGICIAN. WHEN I START PUTTING THE CODE UP FOR STOCK/BOOKKEEPING I WILL NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. THANKS -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On 2014-01-12 06:04, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:14 PM, ngangsia akumbo ngang...@gmail.com wrote: What options do you think i can give the Ceo. Because from what you have outline, i think i will like to follow your advice. If it is just some recording data stuff then some spreadsheet can do the work. From all indication it is a very huge project. How much do you thing all this will cost if we were to put the system all complete. If you currently do all your bills and things on paper, then this job is going to be extremely daunting. Even if you don't write a single line of code (ie you buy a ready-made system), you're going to have to convert everybody to doing things the new way. In that case, I would recommend getting some people together to discuss exactly what you need to do, and then purchase an accounting, warehousing, or inventory management system, based on what you actually need it to do. On the other hand, if it's already being done electronically, your job is IMMENSELY easier. Easier, but more complex to describe, because what you're really asking for is a program that will get certain data out of your accounting/inventory management system and display it. The difficulty of that job depends entirely on what you're using for that data entry. You should also consider whether you need to do it all at once or could do it incrementally. Look at what functionality you might want and where you might get the greatest benefit and start there. Doing it that way will reduce the chances of you committing a lot of resources (time and money) building a system, only to find at the end that you either left something out or added something that you didn't really need after all. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:18:32 -0800, ngangsia akumbo wrote: i have been learning python just for about 5 months now and i have been given a task to do. This will be a leap into the programming industry for me. i am programming a system that will be giving details about finance, purchase(bills pending bills and paid bill), employees record and salary details, warehouse records. It sounds as if your project has many aspects to it which may require you to understand and implement many different computing tasks. For example: You need to either analyse the data records that are required and produce a suitable database schema, or you need to work with an existing database schema. This may require some competence in developing database schemas, and will almost certainly require some sql knowledge in the chosen database (not all sqls are equal). You also need to develop a user interface. First of all you ned to consider who will access the user interface, and how? Mobile devices, desktop computers, both? Do you want os specific (eg ios, android) apps for mobile devices, or will you run in a mobile browser window? Will the application run on a web server, or locally on a single machine? Or will several gui clients connect to a single server host? In the latter case, you'll need to develop communication protocols (using a webapp removes some of this workload, but is a compromise that may require that you need other competences, possibly including but not limited to html, javascript and css). The most important phase of any project is the requirements capture, for if you do not capture all the requirements of all the users, you will not deliver the project that they want. Users are not just the people who sit in front of the screens, they may also be people who will want statistical reports based on the database, but who never expect to actually touch a computer themselves - they have secretaries for that sort of thing. However, if your system can't produce the report that the CEO or CFO wants at the end of each month / quarter / year, then it will be labelled as crap, even if no-one told you as the system designer that this report was required! So, first of all, you need to go and talk to everyone in the company that will use this system and obtain from them details of what they expect the system to do, what data they expect to input, and what data they expect to receive as outputs from it. Once you understand this, you may be in a position to start defining the database schema, and only then are you ready to think about the code that will put data into, and get it from, the database. -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:06:41 PM UTC+1, Dave Angel wrote: ngangsia akumbo ngang...@gmail.com Wrote in message: Hi everyone, I have been around this group for some time and i saw that we have very helpful people here. Welcome to the group, and to Python. i have been learning python just for about 5 months now and i have been given a task to do. This will be a leap into the programming industry for me. Is this a class assignment, a book assignment, a self assignment, This will be use for real business. The ceo in person is willing to cut the office task. I am from cameroon west africa. or is it to be used by a real business, perhaps to replace manual methods? i am programming a system that will be giving details about finance, purchase(bills pending bills and paid bill), employees record and salary details, warehouse records. That is just all i intend to do this all on one GUI application window But your code so far is all for a terminal window. Nothing wrong with that, but if the professor is expecting GUI, that's different. A GUI might be tkinter or qt or Wxpython or ... and to make it to be able to keep records for all the transaction which has been done inputted. A key point. So you need persistence. You're going to need to write data to a file, and reread it next time the program is run. The file might be a bunch of text lines, or it might be a database. And it might belong to this program or be shared, even across multiple machines. when i talk of record i mean details of all what will be inputed by the employees should be kept as a record. I have started programming it , but i still feel there are a lot of things i miss out. I second the recommendation for version 3. And I suggest that if this is a business assignment, it's a lot harder than you think. For example, handling dollars and cents with floats is usually a mistake. How hard is it? Please i need your support Please i need some support from any honest person, please and also how to guide me complete this. -- DaveA nr Android NewsGroup Reader http://www.piaohong.tk/newsgroup -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:29:39 AM UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 3:18 PM, ngangsia akumbo ngang...@gmail.com wrote: purch_price = input(Please enter the price for purchase made: ) purch_p = raw_input(Please enter the reason of this purchase made: ) Never use input() in a Python 2 program... always use raw_input() instead. You're mostly right, but you have a few cases where you're using input(). Probably what you want is int(input()) or float(input()). Incidentally, is there a strong reason for using Python 2 for this? If not, I'd recommend moving immediately to Python 3, as there are an increasing number of advantages. Unless something actually binds you to Py2, save yourself the trouble of shifting in a few years' time and just use Py3 now. ChrisA Thanks for the reply -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On 11/01/2014 16:31, ngangsia akumbo wrote: On Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:29:39 AM UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote: Incidentally, is there a strong reason for using Python 2 for this? If not, I'd recommend moving immediately to Python 3, as there are an increasing number of advantages. Unless something actually binds you to Py2, save yourself the trouble of shifting in a few years' time and just use Py3 now. ChrisA Thanks for the reply I'd like to wish you the best of luck with your project as you've chosen the second best programming language in the world :) However if you wish to ask more questions would you please read and action this https://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython to prevent us seeing the double line spacing above, thanks. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 6:17:13 PM UTC+1, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:18:32 -0800 (PST), ngangsia akumbo Do you have a requirements or use-case documentation, or even a manual paper system which you would be duplicating on the computer? This document should provide the information what/how the system should operate (use-cases will be narratives showing how a user would interact with the system, with a use-case for each potential operation [add new client, add billing, correct errors, produce reports]). I have a paper with the instructions that was given to me, these guys just want something very simple. The CEO in concern want that every day he get in to the office , it does not matter the time. He should be able to see a record of all the transaction for that day from his desktop How familiar are you with double-entry bookkeeping (accounts receivable, etc. i am not very familiar with that or is this just client billing application which may or may not feed into the main company accounting system)? Tax laws? yeah just a client billing app (Or is salary details really just the human resources record of promotions/pay raises, and NOT actual payroll production). Just salary, employee record, etc Are you familiar with relational database design and normalization? Not very familiar with that, but if i have the right info i can normalize in it While an object-relational mapper [ORM] may take out the need to know SQL, Yes i have some knowledge of sql they don't help you design efficient/usable databases. Or is their an existing system/database you have to interface with. What i need to do is simple, design an app for employees, finance sector, purchase, billing, bookkeeping etc. Ok there is not IT infrastructure in this firm, they have a group of workers just doing the manual input of data. so the ceo wants this data to interact with a program that can keep track of what is going in the company. You have three separate applications defined: stock/warehouse, human resource/payroll, and billing/accounting. You probably do not want a single GUI application for this (the people updating warehouse records should have no access to employee/salary/payroll, nor to the billing system). Thanks very much for this brilliant idea I am also looking for guides and sources which can help me complete it. Text books on accounting principles, relational database design concepts, system analysis (if there are no requirements/use-cases) which may cross over with Object-Oriented Analysis (Object-Oriented Design would come in AFTER the system has been analyzed; it is a bit closer to the programming level than requirements). I did not fully understand this paragraph please snip intro code There is no persistence between runs (that is, no tracking of information from one run to another). Your financial sector basically requires the user to already know what their balance is and is just telling them if it is positive or negative. No ability to save a balance and later have them add or subtract an amount from it. Thanks for this point Richard -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
i am programming a system that will be giving details about finance, purchase(bills pending bills and paid bill), employees record and salary details, warehouse records. That is just all i intend to do this all on one GUI application window and to make it to be able to keep records for all the transaction which has been done inputted. If keeping records implies significant amounts of data, then this is a typical case of a database application. There are a couple of Python frameworks for this kind of application: using wxPython: Dabo http://www.dabodev.com (already mentioned) Defis http://sourceforge.net/projects/defis/ (Russian only) GNUe http://www.gnuenterprise.org/ using PyQt: Pypapihttps://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyPaPi/0.8 Camelot http://www.python-camelot.com/ Qtalchemy http://www.qtalchemy.org/ Thyme http://clocksoft.co.uk/downloads/ Kexi http://www.kexi-project.org/ using PyGTK: SQLkithttp://sqlkit.argolinux.org/ Kiwi http://www.async.com.br/projects/kiwi/ Glom http://www.glom.org Sincerely, Wolfgang -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Producing fancy reports for the CEO may be the last thing you implement, as it relies upon having a stable database design, business logic, and data entry. From the sound of things, it might be the ONLY thing to implement, though, if the answer to your previous question is Yes (that is, if everything's already in a big fat database). Otherwise, the OP's going to be replicating stuff that businesses pay good money for - a full-on accounting and warehousing system. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
ngangsia akumbo ngang...@gmail.com Wrote in message: On Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:06:41 PM UTC+1, Dave Angel wrote: I second the recommendation for version 3. And I suggest that if this is a business assignment, it's a lot harder than you think. For example, handling dollars and cents with floats is usually a mistake. How hard is it? Please i need your support Not sure what units of measurement you'd like. How about ten thousand lines of code? -- DaveA nr Android NewsGroup Reader http://www.piaohong.tk/newsgroup -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:10:20 PM UTC+1, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 09:55:57 -0800 (PST), ngangsia akumbo ngang...@gmail.com declaimed the following: What options do you think i can give the Ceo. Because from what you have outline, i think i will like to follow your advice. If it is just some recording data stuff then some spreadsheet can do the work. From all indication it is a very huge project. How much do you thing all this will cost if we were to put the system all complete. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:14 PM, ngangsia akumbo ngang...@gmail.com wrote: What options do you think i can give the Ceo. Because from what you have outline, i think i will like to follow your advice. If it is just some recording data stuff then some spreadsheet can do the work. From all indication it is a very huge project. How much do you thing all this will cost if we were to put the system all complete. If you currently do all your bills and things on paper, then this job is going to be extremely daunting. Even if you don't write a single line of code (ie you buy a ready-made system), you're going to have to convert everybody to doing things the new way. In that case, I would recommend getting some people together to discuss exactly what you need to do, and then purchase an accounting, warehousing, or inventory management system, based on what you actually need it to do. On the other hand, if it's already being done electronically, your job is IMMENSELY easier. Easier, but more complex to describe, because what you're really asking for is a program that will get certain data out of your accounting/inventory management system and display it. The difficulty of that job depends entirely on what you're using for that data entry. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Sunday, January 12, 2014 7:04:04 AM UTC+1, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:14 PM, ngangsia akumbo ngang...@gmail.com wrote: i am not sure i will give up, i will start with a small app for stock registry. From there i think the others will come latter. From the info u have given me , i will continue from there on. So now is i will try to build a small app for stock registry may be u can still give me some tips on that -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
python first project
Hi everyone, I have been around this group for some time and i saw that we have very helpful people here. i have been learning python just for about 5 months now and i have been given a task to do. This will be a leap into the programming industry for me. i am programming a system that will be giving details about finance, purchase(bills pending bills and paid bill), employees record and salary details, warehouse records. That is just all i intend to do this all on one GUI application window and to make it to be able to keep records for all the transaction which has been done inputted. I have started programming it , but i still feel there are a lot of things i miss out. Please i need some support from any honest person, please and also how to guide me complete this. I am also looking for guides and sources which can help me complete it. import os, sys print # * 50 print # * 50 def fin_sec(): print The financial sector fin_name = raw_input(Enter your Name: ) fin_amount = input(Enter the amount for finance: ) if fin_amount 0: print We have a DEBIT BALANCE of, fin_amount,FCFA else: print There is CREDIT BALANCE of, fin_amount, FCFA print Name of person doing the the transaction is , fin_name print Amount available for finance is , fin_amount print # * 50 print # * 50 def purch_sec(): print # * 20 print The purchase center purchase_name_good = raw_input(Please enter the name of good or goods purchase: ) if not purch_name_good istitle(): purch_name_good.capitalize() purch_price = input(Please enter the price for purchase made: ) purch_p = raw_input(Please enter the reason of this purchase made: ) purch_customer = raw_input(Please enter the name of customer: ) purch_address = raw_input(Please enter the contact details for the customer: ) print Name of goods purchase: , purch_name_good print Price of Good:,purch_price,FCFA print Reason for the purchase: , purch_p print Customers name is: , purch_customer print Contact: ,purch_address def purch_Bill(): print Regulating the Bills bill_total= int(input(Please enter the total bill of purchase: ) bill_paid = int(input(Enter the bills paid in: ) #bill_pending = input(Please enter the amount for pending bills: ) print The total bill paid: , bill_total,FCFA print The amount already paid: , bill_paid,FCFA #print The amount still left: , bill_total - bill_paid,:::, FCFA if bill_total == bill_paid: print Tne purchase amount was completed elif bill_total bill_paid: i = bill_total - bill_paid print The purchase amount left to be paid is , i print DONE print ## * 50 print ::: * 50 def emp_rec(): print Employee Record and Details emp_name = raw_input(Please enter the employee name: ) emp_age = int(input(Age: ) if emp_age 18: pass else: print The candidate is too young to be an employee print Name: , emp_name print Age:, emp_age -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python first project
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 3:18 PM, ngangsia akumbo ngang...@gmail.com wrote: purch_price = input(Please enter the price for purchase made: ) purch_p = raw_input(Please enter the reason of this purchase made: ) Never use input() in a Python 2 program... always use raw_input() instead. You're mostly right, but you have a few cases where you're using input(). Probably what you want is int(input()) or float(input()). Incidentally, is there a strong reason for using Python 2 for this? If not, I'd recommend moving immediately to Python 3, as there are an increasing number of advantages. Unless something actually binds you to Py2, save yourself the trouble of shifting in a few years' time and just use Py3 now. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
On Apr 23, 6:36 pm, 7stud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 23, 5:04 pm, Kevin Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I was a python newbie just a month ago and found the following books a great help. Beginning Python: From Novice to Professional (Beginning: From Novice to Professional) by Magnus L. Hetland (Paperback - 29 Sep 2005)http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Python-Novice-Professional/dp/15905... WxPython in Action by Noel Rappin and Robin Dunn (Paperback - 30 Mar 2006)http://www.amazon.co.uk/WxPython-Action-Noel-Rappin/dp/1932394621/ref... Kevin On Monday 23 April 2007, 7stud wrote: Uhhmm...how are you supposed to close a ShapedWindow(under Miscellaneous)? I am reading both now, and I would not recommend either one. If you just skim over the examples and don't play with them, you might mistakenly believe you know what's going on, but if you actually try the examples and alter them here and there to figure out how things really work, you will discover all the mistakes and gaps in both books. Beginning Python is a good reference, but there's not much for examples, other than the fairly advanced stuff in the back of the book. Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner by Dawson was much more fun since you get to create games in python. I'm not sure why you don't like the wxPython one. It was a nice reference. But maybe I liked it as I started out learning C++ and wxPython has similar idioms. If you want to learn the nuts and bolts of the Python language, you'll need to read Programming Python by Lutz or the really in-depth book Core Python Programming by Chun, which (unfortunately) has lots of info, but not much code. The current wxPython demo is here: http://wxpython.org/download.php (about a third of the way down) Mike -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Learning Python - First Project
Hi, I am new to Python and am trying to write a little front end to another application in Python. What I want is to have a gui pop up listing some items with several buttons. The guts of the program I am not having any trouble with but the GUI part I am (or more accurately, the transition between GUI pieces). The first GUI that pops up lists some groups in a listbox and gives the user the choice to create a new group, open a group, rename the group, or delete the group. The new group and rename group buttons pop up a dialog gui asking for the name/new name. The Open Group is to open another GUI listing projects within that group in a list with similar options (New Project, Open Project, Rename Project, Delete Project). My question is, how should I create all these GUIs? Should each GUI be its own class with its own __init__? Then is the first GUI the root (how I have it set up now) and all other GUIs using Toplevel()? I hope this makes sense (because it only sort of makes sense in my head). THanks for any suggestions. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
On Apr 23, 9:52 am, KDawg44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am new to Python and am trying to write a little front end to another application in Python. What I want is to have a gui pop up listing some items with several buttons. The guts of the program I am not having any trouble with but the GUI part I am (or more accurately, the transition between GUI pieces). The first GUI that pops up lists some groups in a listbox and gives the user the choice to create a new group, open a group, rename the group, or delete the group. The new group and rename group buttons pop up a dialog gui asking for the name/new name. The Open Group is to open another GUI listing projects within that group in a list with similar options (New Project, Open Project, Rename Project, Delete Project). My question is, how should I create all these GUIs? Should each GUI be its own class with its own __init__? Then is the first GUI the root (how I have it set up now) and all other GUIs using Toplevel()? I hope this makes sense (because it only sort of makes sense in my head). THanks for any suggestions. Hi, You should be able to create one main window as root and use standard dialogs for the dialogs you mentioned. As for the Open Group button, you might use a tree widget instead of opening another window. You could put the tree in a splitter window or something and it might look nicer. Of course, you can do another window, but it would be a custom, hand-coded window and NOT a standard dialog. That would mean that it would indeed be another class with its own __init__. You can set both the standard dialogs and your custom one to ShowModal and then you shouldn't need to use Toplevel(). I am assuming you are using Tkinter for your front-end GUI. You might also take a gander at wxPython. It has an excellent demo you could download and it might give you some additional ideas for implementation: www.wxpython.org . Mike -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
On Apr 23, 9:52 am, KDawg44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am new to Python and am trying to write a little front end to another application in Python. What I want is to have a gui pop up listing some items with several buttons. The guts of the program I am not having any trouble with but the GUI part I am (or more accurately, the transition between GUI pieces). The first GUI that pops up lists some groups in a listbox and gives the user the choice to create a new group, open a group, rename the group, or delete the group. The new group and rename group buttons pop up a dialog gui asking for the name/new name. The Open Group is to open another GUI listing projects within that group in a list with similar options (New Project, Open Project, Rename Project, Delete Project). My question is, how should I create all these GUIs? Should each GUI be its own class with its own __init__? Then is the first GUI the root (how I have it set up now) and all other GUIs using Toplevel()? I hope this makes sense (because it only sort of makes sense in my head). THanks for any suggestions. I am assuming you are using Tkinter for your GUI front-end. You should be able to just use standard dialog boxes for your new group and rename group dialogs and a custom hand-coded dialog for the other one. All three can be called with ShowModal() instead of Toplevel(). And yes, the custom dialog would work best if you made it into a separate class. You could also put that information for the GUI that list projects into a tree widget of some sort, maybe with a splitter window. I haven't had much luck with Tkinter's tree widgets though. PMW and Tix both have rather poor docs unless you enjoy man pages. You might check out wxPython instead. It has an excellent demo that is very good at showing you not only what all it can do, but how it is done: www.wxpython.org. Good luck! Mike -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
On Apr 23, 1:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 23, 9:52 am, KDawg44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am new to Python and am trying to write a little front end to another application in Python. What I want is to have a gui pop up listing some items with several buttons. The guts of the program I am not having any trouble with but the GUI part I am (or more accurately, the transition between GUI pieces). The first GUI that pops up lists some groups in a listbox and gives the user the choice to create a new group, open a group, rename the group, or delete the group. The new group and rename group buttons pop up a dialog gui asking for the name/new name. The Open Group is to open another GUI listing projects within that group in a list with similar options (New Project, Open Project, Rename Project, Delete Project). My question is, how should I create all these GUIs? Should each GUI be its own class with its own __init__? Then is the first GUI the root (how I have it set up now) and all other GUIs using Toplevel()? I hope this makes sense (because it only sort of makes sense in my head). THanks for any suggestions. I am assuming you are using Tkinter for your GUI front-end. You should be able to just use standard dialog boxes for your new group and rename group dialogs and a custom hand-coded dialog for the other one. All three can be called with ShowModal() instead of Toplevel(). And yes, the custom dialog would work best if you made it into a separate class. You could also put that information for the GUI that list projects into a tree widget of some sort, maybe with a splitter window. I haven't had much luck with Tkinter's tree widgets though. PMW and Tix both have rather poor docs unless you enjoy man pages. You might check out wxPython instead. It has an excellent demo that is very good at showing you not only what all it can do, but how it is done:www.wxpython.org. Good luck! Mike Sorry about the dual posting. This thing isn't posting correctly for me today. Mike -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
On Apr 23, 1:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 23, 9:52 am, KDawg44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am new to Python and am trying to write a little front end to another application in Python. What I want is to have a gui pop up listing some items with several buttons. The guts of the program I am not having any trouble with but the GUI part I am (or more accurately, the transition between GUI pieces). The first GUI that pops up lists some groups in a listbox and gives the user the choice to create a new group, open a group, rename the group, or delete the group. The new group and rename group buttons pop up a dialog gui asking for the name/new name. The Open Group is to open another GUI listing projects within that group in a list with similar options (New Project, Open Project, Rename Project, Delete Project). My question is, how should I create all these GUIs? Should each GUI be its own class with its own __init__? Then is the first GUI the root (how I have it set up now) and all other GUIs using Toplevel()? I hope this makes sense (because it only sort of makes sense in my head). THanks for any suggestions. I am assuming you are using Tkinter for your GUI front-end. You should be able to just use standard dialog boxes for your new group and rename group dialogs and a custom hand-coded dialog for the other one. All three can be called with ShowModal() instead of Toplevel(). And yes, the custom dialog would work best if you made it into a separate class. You could also put that information for the GUI that list projects into a tree widget of some sort, maybe with a splitter window. I haven't had much luck with Tkinter's tree widgets though. PMW and Tix both have rather poor docs unless you enjoy man pages. You might check out wxPython instead. It has an excellent demo that is very good at showing you not only what all it can do, but how it is done:www.wxpython.org. Good luck! Mike Thanks very much for your suggestions. I think i will look into wxPython, though I will finish this little app in tkinter since I am almost done with it. THanks for your help. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
On Apr 23, 12:26 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am assuming you are using Tkinter for your front-end GUI. You might also take a gander at wxPython. It has an excellent demo you could download and it might give you some additional ideas for implementation:www.wxpython.org. Mike Hi, I've heard about that excellent demo, but I downloaded wxPython, and I don't even know where to look for it. Any pointers? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
On Apr 23, 4:25 pm, 7stud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 23, 12:26 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am assuming you are using Tkinter for your front-end GUI. You might also take a gander at wxPython. It has an excellent demo you could download and it might give you some additional ideas for implementation:www.wxpython.org. Mike Hi, I've heard about that excellent demo, but I downloaded wxPython, and I don't even know where to look for it. Any pointers? Never mind. Got it: $ python /Developer/Examples/wxWidgets/wxPython/demo/demo.py -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
Uhhmm...how are you supposed to close a ShapedWindow(under Miscellaneous)? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
Hello I was a python newbie just a month ago and found the following books a great help. Beginning Python: From Novice to Professional (Beginning: From Novice to Professional) by Magnus L. Hetland (Paperback - 29 Sep 2005) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Python-Novice-Professional/dp/159059519X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/026-1738001-7066018?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1177369262sr=8-2 WxPython in Action by Noel Rappin and Robin Dunn (Paperback - 30 Mar 2006) http://www.amazon.co.uk/WxPython-Action-Noel-Rappin/dp/1932394621/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/026-1738001-7066018?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1177369390sr=8-1 Kevin On Monday 23 April 2007, 7stud wrote: Uhhmm...how are you supposed to close a ShapedWindow(under Miscellaneous)? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Learning Python - First Project
On Apr 23, 5:04 pm, Kevin Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I was a python newbie just a month ago and found the following books a great help. Beginning Python: From Novice to Professional (Beginning: From Novice to Professional) by Magnus L. Hetland (Paperback - 29 Sep 2005)http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Python-Novice-Professional/dp/15905... WxPython in Action by Noel Rappin and Robin Dunn (Paperback - 30 Mar 2006)http://www.amazon.co.uk/WxPython-Action-Noel-Rappin/dp/1932394621/ref... Kevin On Monday 23 April 2007, 7stud wrote: Uhhmm...how are you supposed to close a ShapedWindow(under Miscellaneous)? I am reading both now, and I would not recommend either one. If you just skim over the examples and don't play with them, you might mistakenly believe you know what's going on, but if you actually try the examples and alter them here and there to figure out how things really work, you will discover all the mistakes and gaps in both books. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
