Re: python web service or Apache?
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Simon Forman sajmik...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote: Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache rather than python to provide web service, right? http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php Both best and better (that website and you, respectively) omit mention of the criteria used for the evaluation. To determine what is best you must first answer for what? (Also, it is reasonable to use /both/ apache and python together, with mod_python or mod_wsgi, etc...) I have never made a web server before. So I don't know what criterion I should use? If possible, would you please let me know what pros and cons you can think of? How to use apache and python together? Does each of them offer some functions that are not available in the other? Thank you! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python web service or Apache?
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Simon Forman sajmik...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote: Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache rather than python to provide web service, right? http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php Both best and better (that website and you, respectively) omit mention of the criteria used for the evaluation. To determine what is best you must first answer for what? (Also, it is reasonable to use /both/ apache and python together, with mod_python or mod_wsgi, etc...) I have never made a web server before. So I don't know what criterion I should use? If possible, would you please let me know what pros and cons you can think of? Well, criteria like, how much traffic do you need to support? How often will you be changing your code? Do you have your own server or are you using some sort of hosting plan with another company? Those are pretty general. I'm not a web server expert. I recently wrote a small server script. It's only job was to listen for POST requests from a third-party SVN repository service that indicated a commit had been made and then trigger a buildbot build/test cycle. For this the BaseHTTPServer module was sufficient. Apache is highly regarded, but I've heard Nginx is, or can be, faster (I don't know if that's true, but I've heard it...) Apache has a /lot/ of features and capabilities, which can mean it will have a steep learning curve (again depending on what you want to do with it.) But if you're using an OS with good package support, like Ubuntu linux, getting a basic Apache installation up and running takes one command. (And some time understanding the default configuration...) There are also options like CherryPy (http://www.cherrypy.org/) or Twisted Web (http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/) which are HTTP servers (and more) written in python. Probably the most important question to answer is, How much do you want to learn? How to use apache and python together? Does each of them offer some functions that are not available in the other? Thank you! You're welcome. :) Possibly the simplest method is to write a CGI script in python. I've already mentioned mod_python and mod_wsgi which are Apache modules that let you use python with Apache. There are also web frameworks like Django and TurboGears which can work with Apache. These options all offer different functions while providing essentially the same functionality. You'll have to do your own homework to figure out which is the best for you. Regards, ~Simon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python web service or Apache?
On 10/26/2009 08:00 AM, Peng Yu wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Simon Forman sajmik...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote: Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache rather than python to provide web service, right? http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php Both best and better (that website and you, respectively) omit mention of the criteria used for the evaluation. To determine what is best you must first answer for what? (Also, it is reasonable to use /both/ apache and python together, with mod_python or mod_wsgi, etc...) I have never made a web server before. So I don't know what criterion I should use? If possible, would you please let me know what pros and cons you can think of? Apache requires root access to the server machine, is quite complex and requires some learning and work to setup and use. On the other hand it is very powerful, will handle high traffic, and can handle the requirements of most any web site, so even if you start with a simple site you can be pretty sure it will handle your needs in the future as your web site grows. Because Apache is widely used, there an many places and people that can provide help and advice on how to run it. A small simple custom web server built with Python will likely only work well with a very small traffic volume and will have very limited capabilities but is very quick to get up and running. You can run it on a non-privileged port if you do not have root access to your server machine. How to use apache and python together? Does each of them offer some functions that are not available in the other? Thank you! Apache, like most general purpose web servers, supports the CGI protocol. You can setup Apache so that when a request is made for a file ending with .py, it will run the python file and send the program's output to the client browser. This allows you to generate html output from the Python program. Python's standard lib contains the cgi module that will help in writing python code for this. There are other more efficient ways of using Python with a web server such as mod_python, or wsgi, but cgi is probably the simplest, and has the most how-to info available. HTH -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python web service or Apache?
ru...@yahoo.com writes: Apache requires root access to the server machine, Only to access the privileged ports. A small simple custom web server built with Python will likely... You can run it on a non-privileged port if you do not have root access to your server machine. You can do that with apache as well. Which is more complicated is a little bit subjective. I use both, and for something simple I generally find it easier to throw together a custom server with SocketServer.py, but it takes some familiarity with Python networking to be able to do that. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python web service or Apache?
En Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:47:43 -0300, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com escribió: Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache rather than python to provide web service, right? Note that web server != web service. Apache is a web server; it handles HTTP requests to serve web pages, typically HTML documents, images, videos, etc. Usually those requests come from a human browsing the web. Apache is highly optimized to serve static documents (those that are already prebuilt, and aren't dependent on specific details of the current request, e.g. a photo). dynamic documents (e.g. your bank account statement) have to be generated for each specific request - there is a program behind those dynamic documents, and that program may be written in Python (or Perl, or PHP, or whatever). That is, Python is used to build dynamic content -- pages that cannot be prebuilt. Although you can write a web server in Python itself, and it works fine for low-volume sites, it cannot compete (in speed, number of concurrent transactions, and other features) with Apache or lighttpd. A web service is a program that exposes some sort of API that can be accessed thru a web interfase, mostly intended to be used by other programs, not humans. Web services usually are built on top of HTTP as the transport layer, so they run behind Apache or other web server. Python is perfectly adequate to write web services. -- Gabriel Genellina -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
python web service or Apache?
Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache rather than python to provide web service, right? http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python web service or Apache?
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Peng Yu pengyu...@gmail.com wrote: Although, python can be used to provide web service. The following webpage also mentioned, Apache the best and most widely used web server on the Internet today, check it out. If you want to run your own web server this is the one to get, you can get binaries for both Windows and Unix. You can download the entire sourcecode if you want to check how it was made. Therefore, it would be better to use Apache rather than python to provide web service, right? http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php Both best and better (that website and you, respectively) omit mention of the criteria used for the evaluation. To determine what is best you must first answer for what? (Also, it is reasonable to use /both/ apache and python together, with mod_python or mod_wsgi, etc...) Regards, ~Simon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
