Re: security quirk
RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com contributed wisdom to news:badd4188-196b- 45e3-ba8a-511d47128...@nh8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com: On Jan 30, Gandalf Parker gand...@the.dead.isp.of.community.net wrote: Web gurus, what's going on? That is the fault of the site itself. If they are going to block access to users then they should also block access to the automated spiders that hit the site to collect data. well yeah, but what's going on, under the hood? How does it get confused? How could this happen? I'm looking for some insight, regarding a hypothetical programmimg glitch - (from alt.hacker) You dont understand. It is not in the code. It is in the site. It is as if someone comes and picks fruit off of your tree, and you are questioning the tree for how it bears fruit. The site creates web pages. Google collects web pages. The site needs to set things like robot.txt to tell Google to NOT collect the pages in the archives. Which is not an absolute protection but at least its an effort that works for most sites. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
On Jan 29, 8:55 pm, RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com wrote: I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally checkNotepadPlus UserLang name=MUSATOV ext=.myl udlVersion=2.0 Settings Global caseIgnored=no allowFoldOfComments=no forceLineCommentsAtBOL=no foldCompact=yes / Prefix Keywords1=no Keywords2=no Keywords3=no Keywords4=no Keywords5=no Keywords6=no Keywords7=no Keywords8=no / /Settings KeywordLists Keywords name=Comments id=000commentBegin 01comment 02commentEnd 03 04/Keywords Keywords name=Numbers, additional id=1/Keywords Keywords name=Numbers, prefixes id=2/Keywords Keywords name=Numbers, extras with prefixes id=3/ Keywords Keywords name=Numbers, suffixes id=4/Keywords Keywords name=Operators1 id=5();/Keywords Keywords name=Operators2 id=6/Keywords Keywords name=Folders in code1, open id=7Open/ Keywords Keywords name=Folders in code1, middle id=8middle/ Keywords Keywords name=Folders in code1, close id=9Close/ Keywords Keywords name=Folders in code2, open id=10Open/ Keywords Keywords name=Folders in code2, middle id=11middle/ Keywords Keywords name=Folders in code2, close id=12Close/ Keywords Keywords name=Folders in comment, open id=13Open/ Keywords Keywords name=Folders in comment, middle id=14middle/Keywords Keywords name=Folders in comment, close id=15Close/ Keywords Keywords name=Keywords1 id=16%%/Keywords Keywords name=Keywords2 id=17/Keywords Keywords name=Keywords3 id=18/Keywords Keywords name=Keywords4 id=19/Keywords Keywords name=Keywords5 id=20/Keywords Keywords name=Keywords6 id=21/Keywords Keywords name=Keywords7 id=22/Keywords Keywords name=Keywords8 id=23/Keywords Keywords name=Delimiters id=24/Keywords /KeywordLists Styles WordsStyle name=DEFAULT styleID=0 fgColor=FF bgColor=00 fontName=Monotype Corsiva fontStyle=7 fontSize=14 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=COMMENTS styleID=1 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=LINE COMMENTS styleID=2 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=NUMBERS styleID=3 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=KEYWORDS1 styleID=4 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=KEYWORDS2 styleID=5 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=KEYWORDS3 styleID=6 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=KEYWORDS4 styleID=7 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=KEYWORDS5 styleID=8 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=KEYWORDS6 styleID=9 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=KEYWORDS7 styleID=10 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=KEYWORDS8 styleID=11 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=OPERATORS styleID=12 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=FOLDER IN CODE1 styleID=13 fgColor=FF bgColor=00 fontName= fontStyle=7 fontSize=10 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=FOLDER IN CODE2 styleID=14 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=FOLDER IN COMMENT styleID=15 fgColor=FF bgColor=00 fontName=Times New Roman fontStyle=7 fontSize=8 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=DELIMITERS1 styleID=16 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=DELIMITERS2 styleID=17 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=DELIMITERS3 styleID=18 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=DELIMITERS4 styleID=19 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=DELIMITERS5 styleID=20 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=DELIMITERS6 styleID=21 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=DELIMITERS7 styleID=22 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / WordsStyle name=DELIMITERS8 styleID=23 fgColor=00 bgColor=FF fontStyle=0 nesting=0 / /Styles /UserLang /NotepadPlus articles on their Web site. It's mostly free, with some items available to subscribers only. It seems random, which ones they block, about 20%. Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and link from there, and it loads! ok, Web
Re: security quirk
RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com contributed wisdom to news:b968c6c6-5aa9- 4584-bd7a-5b097f17c...@pu9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com: Web gurus, what's going on? That is the fault of the site itself. If they are going to block access to users then they should also block access to the automated spiders that hit the site to collect data. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
On Jan 30, Gandalf Parker gand...@the.dead.isp.of.community.net wrote: Web gurus, what's going on? That is the fault of the site itself. If they are going to block access to users then they should also block access to the automated spiders that hit the site to collect data. well yeah, but what's going on, under the hood? How does it get confused? How could this happen? I'm looking for some insight, regarding a hypothetical programmimg glitch - -- Rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:39 PM, RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jan 30, Gandalf Parker gand...@the.dead.isp.of.community.net wrote: Web gurus, what's going on? That is the fault of the site itself. If they are going to block access to users then they should also block access to the automated spiders that hit the site to collect data. well yeah, but what's going on, under the hood? How does it get confused? How could this happen? I'm looking for some insight, regarding a hypothetical programmimg glitch - -- Rich -- As was pointed out, this really is off topic for this group. You might try googling. The NYTimes makes articles available by adding a parameter to the tail of the url I believe -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
On 01/29/13 20:55, RichD so wittily quipped: I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check articles on their Web site. It's mostly free, with some items available to subscribers only. It seems random, which ones they block, about 20%. Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and link from there, and it loads! ok, Web gurus, what's going on? in my last post, I quoted an article from 'The Register' where they talk about how Facebook (literally) broke that feature. [this works in a LOT of places, but sometimes you have to enable cookies or javascript to actually see the content] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
Martin Musatov wrote: On Jan 29, 8:55 pm, RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com wrote: I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally checkNotepadPlus UserLang name=MUSATOV ext=.myl udlVersion=2.0 [snip] /UserLang /NotepadPlus Ignoring the big ol' unneccessary crosspost... What the fuck? -- Oooh, I just learned a new euphemism. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
On Jan 31, 5:39 am, RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com wrote: well yeah, but what's going on, under the hood? How does it get confused? How could this happen? I'm looking for some insight, regarding a hypothetical programmimg glitch - As has been stated, this has nothing to do with Python, so please stop posting your questions here. However, here's an answer to get you to stop repeating yourself: it's not uncommon to find that content you're restricted from accessing via a site's own search is available to you through Google. This has to do with Google's policy of _requiring_ that pages that it is allowed to index _must_ be available for view. Any site that allows Google to index its pages that then blocks you from viewing them will swiftly find themselves web site-a non gratis in Google search. As most websites are attention whores, they'll do anything to ensure they remain within Google's indices. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
On 1/29/2013 11:55 PM, RichD wrote: I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check articles on their Web site. It's mostly free, with some items available to subscribers only. It seems random, which ones they block, about 20%. Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and link from there, and it loads! ok, Web gurus, what's going on? WSJ want their articles to be findable from Google. So they open up for Google indexing them. If they require any type of registration to see an article, then Google will remove the link. So therefore WSJ (and many other web sites!) gives more access if you come from Google than if not. Arne -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
security quirk
I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check articles on their Web site. It's mostly free, with some items available to subscribers only. It seems random, which ones they block, about 20%. Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and link from there, and it loads! ok, Web gurus, what's going on? -- Rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Signal versus noise (was: security quirk)
RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com writes: Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and link from there, and it loads! ok, Web gurus, what's going on? That evidently has nothing in particular to do with the topic of this forum: the Python programming language. If you want to just comment on arbitrary things with the internet at large, you have many other forums available. Please at least try to keep this forum on-topic. -- \ “Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a | `\dog, it's too dark to read.” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:55 PM, RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com wrote: I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check articles on their Web site. It's mostly free, with some items available to subscribers only. It seems random, which ones they block, about 20%. Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and link from there, and it loads! ok, Web gurus, what's going on? Its Gremlins! I tell you Gremlins!!! -- Rich -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: security quirk
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, RichD r_delaney2...@yahoo.com wrote: I read Wall Street Journal, and occasionally check articles on their Web site. It's mostly free, with some items available to subscribers only. It seems random, which ones they block, about 20%. Anywho, sometimes I use their search utility, the usual author or title search, and it blocks, then I look it up on Google, and link from there, and it loads! ok, Web gurus, what's going on? http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1pws=0q=first+click+free BTW, this has absolutely jack squat to do with Python. Please direct similar future inquiries to a more relevant forum. Regards, Chris -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
