select.poll in MacOS Leopard?

2008-06-05 Thread Samuel Bayer

All -

The Python that comes with MacOS 10.5 doesn't have select.poll. The 
MacOS X build from python.org does, and works fine in 10.5. Any idea why 
the Apple build is broken? Anybody come across this before?


Thanks in advance -
Sam Bayer
The MITRE Corporation
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Re: Why does python not have a mechanism for data hiding?

2008-06-10 Thread Samuel Bayer

Jonathan Gardner wrote:


Let me share my personal insight. I used Python for a mission-critical
application that needed, in effect, almost 100% uptime with superior
throughput. In other words, it was a very fine piece of art that
needed to be precise and correct. In the end, Python delivered, under
budget, under schedule, and with superbly low maintenance costs
(practically 0 compared to other systems written in Java and C). I
didn't have to use any of the features you mentioned, and I can't
imagine why you would need them. In fact, having them in the language
would encourage others to use them and make my software less reliable.


At the risk of prolonging this thread, I'll add my own personal insight. 
I've spent a decent amount of time programming in Java, and the overhead 
of assigning a too-restrictive privacy level (which happens a lot, once 
privacy levels are in the language) has cost me an immense amount of 
time. I've lost count of how often I've had a software package which 
made an element non-public, in many cases for no apparent good reason, 
except that they hadn't anticipated the way I was going to use their 
code. Tracing down the consequences of these decisions, and trying to 
work around them, has been exceptionally time-consuming for me. You can 
say that I can go and modify the source code, as long as I have the 
source code, but that misses the point: I don't WANT to keep my own copy 
of the code, with the attended overhead in merging it with subsequent 
releases, etc.


I'm not going to claim that data hiding has no purpose - it clearly 
addresses a set of concerns that programmers have about managing APIs. 
But I've found that its difficulties far outweigh its benefits.


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