Re: [python-uk] PyCon US - anyone going?

[Steve Holden]

Hi Meredydd,

That's most kind of you. I'll ship it tomorrow and you should receive it
soon after Easter. I hope you enjoy the conference!

Kind regards,
Steve


On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 at 14:50, Meredydd Luff  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> We (Anvil) are going, and we can probably find room in a suitcase
> somewhere, as long as you can get the bag to our office within the next few
> days:
>
> Anvil
> 28 Chesterton Road
> Cambridge
> CB4 3AZ
>
> Looking forward to seeing some UK Python folks there!
>
> Meredydd
> --
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> Founder - https://anvil.works
>
> Tel: +1 650-468-0667
>
>
> *Proud Sponsors of PyCon 2023 <https://us.pycon.org>*
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 7:58 PM Steve Holden  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is anyone going to PyCon in Salt Lake City this year?
>>
>> I'm donating a swag bag (empty) from the very first PyCon as a PyLadies
>> auction lot, but the carriage prices are shocking to get it there in time,
>> so I was wondering if some kind soul might be able to carry it over there
>> for me.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Steve
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[python-uk] PyCon US - anyone going?

[Steve Holden]

Hi all,

Is anyone going to PyCon in Salt Lake City this year?

I'm donating a swag bag (empty) from the very first PyCon as a PyLadies
auction lot, but the carriage prices are shocking to get it there in time,
so I was wondering if some kind soul might be able to carry it over there
for me.

Kind regards,
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[python-uk] Fwd: It Will Never Work in Theory: live!

[Steve Holden]

A communication from my good friend Greg Wilsin (instigator of the Software
Carpentry workshops) which may be of use to some. It certainly  looks like
great value for money.

Kind regards,
Steve


-- Forwarded message -
From: Greg Wilson 
Date: Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:11 PM
Subject: It Will Never Work in Theory: live!
To: Steve Holden 


Hi Steve,

On April 27, It Will Never Work in Theory is running two sets of online
lightning talks from leading software engineering researchers in which
they’ll summarize actionable findings from their work for practitioners.
Tickets are now on sale at https://neverworkintheory.org/, and all money
raised will to go Books for Africa. I hope to see you there, and if you
could help spread the word or help sponsor it by matching money raised
from ticket sales, we'd be very grateful.

Cheers,

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[python-uk] Python 2.7 conversion project

[Steve Holden]

Hi all,

Hope you are doing well in these uncertain times.

I now work full-time, but this week a former consulting client approached
me about converting their large Python 2.7 application, with integrated C++
libraries, to Python 3. Since I can't undertake this work myself I said I'd
look for someone to do the work for them.

If you'd like an introduction please drop me a line at st...@holdenweb.com
(remember, the default on this list is that replies go to the list) and
I'll put you in touch. No fees, no catch, just trying to help a former
client.

Kind regards,
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[python-uk] Vacancy Notice

[Steve Holden]

My employer's Platform group has vacancies, including one for a full-stack
Python developer. The position is fully remote (I was hired without meeting
anyone in the company face to face). The only downside is you might end up
working in my team.

See https://careers.labster.com/departments/platform

Hope you are all doing well  in these troubling times.

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Re: [python-uk] Looking for remote work opportunity

[Steve Holden]

Always worth a look at the Python Jobs board - some opportunities are
remote consulting. https://www.python.org/jobs/

Kind regards,
Steve


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 5:27 AM Ramachandra Raju <
mail.ramachandra.r...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys, I am Ram from Bangalore India.
> I have 14 Years of experience in Python stack ( Web Development - full
> stack, Back end development - REST API's, Data analysis, Cloud computing,
> little of AI/ML )
>
> Due to current situation, I am looking for remote work options.
>
> Please let me know/refer me if you come across similar opportunities
>
> --
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Re: [python-uk] Python 2.7 code: a spring-clean

[Steve Holden]

There's been loose talk of adding "minus2" fixers to 2to3, but I don't know
whether there's been any concrete progress.

At least most refactorings will be taking place on a code base that already
runs on Python 3, so tests (where they exist) can ensure that such
automated refactorings would do relatively little damage.

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:23 PM Richard Barran 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> With the end-of-life of Python 2 upon us, I wondered about cleaning up
> code that has (had!) to support both Python 2 and Python 3. Some of it is
> easy (e.g. look for any references to the ‘six’ library), some of it is
> relatively easy (e.g. super(Foobar, self) ) and… actually, there could be
> quite a few things to tidy up.
>
> I’m wondering if there is a script out there to quickly introspect a
> codebase and flag up any legacy code? I’ve tried googling but drew up a
> blank. Any suggestions welcome!
>
> Richard
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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Code Dojo is coming back next Thursday

[Steve Holden]

Been thinking about it. Maybe when I retire ...

Kind regards,
Steve Holden


On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 4:45 PM Tim Golden  wrote:

> Start a spin-off: The South Coast Python Code Dojo?
>
> Or maybe "The Cinque Ports Python Code Dojo" sounds a bit grander?
> [I'm sure there's a Monty Python reference there somewhere as well,
> riffing on the not-so-cinq Cinque Ports]
>
> TJG
>
> On 02/04/2019 16:41, Steve Holden wrote:
>
> Alas no longer quite as practical now I'm living in Hastings.
>
> regards
> Steve Holden
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:55 PM Tim Golden  wrote:
>
>> *Cough* obviously -- on Thursday evening. I mean: I hope you do have fun
>> tomorrow evening, but if you want to enjoy yourself with us at the London
>> Python Code Dojo you'll have to wait until Thursday
>>
>> TJG
>>
>> On 02/04/2019 15:52, Tim Golden wrote:
>>
>> We've still got some tickets left, so please sign up and join the fun
>> tomorrow evening:
>>
>>
>> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444
>>
>> TJG
>>
>> On 29/03/2019 11:21, Gautier HAYOUN wrote:
>>
>> Dear python-uk,
>>
>> The London Python Code Dojo is coming back for a new season next
>> Thursday, the 4th of April at 6:30PM.
>>
>> We will be coming back to Sohonet near Oxford Circus.
>>
>> We will have our usual mixture of socialising, lightning talks, hacking
>> on silly problems. For those who wish, there will be post-Dojo socialising
>> in a nearby pub.
>>
>> So book now for a free ticket at
>> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444
>>
>> The address:
>> Sohonet
>> 5 Soho Street
>> London
>> W1D 3QL
>>
>> See you next week!
>> Gautier
>>
>>
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Re: [python-uk] The London Python Code Dojo is coming back next Thursday

[Steve Holden]

Alas no longer quite as practical now I'm living in Hastings.

regards
Steve Holden


On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:55 PM Tim Golden  wrote:

> *Cough* obviously -- on Thursday evening. I mean: I hope you do have fun
> tomorrow evening, but if you want to enjoy yourself with us at the London
> Python Code Dojo you'll have to wait until Thursday
>
> TJG
>
> On 02/04/2019 15:52, Tim Golden wrote:
>
> We've still got some tickets left, so please sign up and join the fun
> tomorrow evening:
>
>
> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444
>
> TJG
>
> On 29/03/2019 11:21, Gautier HAYOUN wrote:
>
> Dear python-uk,
>
> The London Python Code Dojo is coming back for a new season next
> Thursday, the 4th of April at 6:30PM.
>
> We will be coming back to Sohonet near Oxford Circus.
>
> We will have our usual mixture of socialising, lightning talks, hacking on
> silly problems. For those who wish, there will be post-Dojo socialising
> in a nearby pub.
>
> So book now for a free ticket at
> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/london-python-code-dojo-season-10-episode-8-tickets-5957444
>
> The address:
> Sohonet
> 5 Soho Street
> London
> W1D 3QL
>
> See you next week!
> Gautier
>
>
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Re: [python-uk] Setting up Django on Google Cloud (basic server)

[Steve Holden]

>From your description it sounds like the IP address of your host is not
delivering packets to your VM, which should be listening on all its
interfaces. Perhaps a problem in your virtual's interface configuration?  S

Steve Holden

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Samuel Muiruri <muiruri.sam...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I had this issue before with AWS i remember it was just as stressful then
> and actually can't remember what actually fixed it. I basically have a
> clean Ubuntu VM which I followed this guide https://www.
> digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-
> django-with-postgres-nginx-and-gunicorn-on-ubuntu-16-04 step by step on
> creating and hosting django on a site.
>
> Every step worked smoothly until this point when I need to run the command
> "python manage.py runserver 0.0.0.0:8000" which starts the service (shown
> on the attached screenshot) (also is the google cloud page showing the
> given external ip) according to this with the server waiting visiting
> http://35.227.49.155:8000/ should bring the site or something but it
> fails to connect i get "
> This site can’t be reached
> " message.
>
> For now I'm taking a break hoping I'll come up with something, also hope
> someone here who might have gone through the same or is a seasoned web dev
> might also help too.
>
> --
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Samuel Muiruri.
>
> Senior Developer @ Revorta.
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[python-uk] Startup Row Event at Bloomberg London Office 27 November

[Steve Holden]

Hi all,

Don Sheu, who among other things runs the Startup Row event for PyCon US,
informs me about an event he is holding at Bloomberg's UK offices (I
presume in Finsbury Square, London) on 27 November. He says:

Hope you can join us in London, November 27th. Bloomberg is kindly hosting
> us. If you have any startups to nominate, welcome your input. Please to
> share with your friends who may have an interest in startups. If you're
> making PyCon UK, hope you'll encourage folks to turn
> ​ ​
> out.


​I am indeed at PyCon UK, and will be putting the word​ out there too.

If anyone is involved with a startup that might like to enter and would
like an introduction to Don to find out more, please reply confidentially
to me at st...@holdenweb.com rather than replying to this message (which
will go out to the whole list).

The only link I have for the event is the ticketing link
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/a-psf-pycon-startup-row-pitch-event-at-bloomberg-lp-registration-37616877092,
but that page does link to further information about Startup Row,

​kind regards
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Re: [python-uk] Burning desire to watch cataract surgery?

[Steve Holden]

You people are clearly very sharp.  S

Steve Holden

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Nathan Jeffrey <nathan.jeff...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I roil at eye rolls for eye roles.
>
> - N
>
> On 13 Oct 2017 20:25, "S Walker" <walke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Is it appropriate to roll your eyes at the roles for eyes?
>>
>> S
>>
>> On 13/10/17 17:42, David Steven-Jennings wrote:
>>
>> *rolls eyes* :p
>>
>> On 13 Oct 2017 5:37 pm, "Stestagg" <stest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think I’ll keep a close eye on this thread!
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 at 17:00, S Walker <walke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> These puns are delivered with surgical precision.
>>>
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/10/17 16:31, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
>>>
>>> Iris you could have given us more details...
>>>
>>> (BTW, plenty more where that came from...)
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>>> On 13/10/17 14:36, Hansel Dunlop wrote:
>>>
>>> He's getting to the heart of the matter
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Richard Barran
>>> <rich...@arbee-design.co.uk <mailto:rich...@arbee-design.co.uk> 
>>> <rich...@arbee-design.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I see what you did there...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13 Oct 2017, at 15:21, Adam Johnson <m...@adamj.eu
>>> <mailto:m...@adamj.eu> <m...@adamj.eu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds cutting edge!
>>>
>>> On 13 October 2017 at 14:05, Hansel Dunlop
>>> <han...@interpretthis.org <mailto:han...@interpretthis.org> 
>>> <han...@interpretthis.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably not, in fact I probably don't want to watch another
>>> one in my life if I can help it. BUT:
>>>
>>> For those who know me, and for those that don't. The company
>>> I'm working for (It's called Touch Surgery, and I look after
>>> the platform team) is growing quickly at the moment. There are
>>> a broad range of technical roles. I'm particularly keen to
>>> find some Python devs who have worked on large Django projects
>>> but anyone senior looking for something exciting would be of
>>> great interest.
>>> <snip!>
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Re: [python-uk] Python role - South East England

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>
>
> I never understand why people get angry at jobs being posted to this list.
>

​Me neither, but I thought it best to offer an advance warning just in case.

regards
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Re: [python-uk] Python role - South East England

[Steve Holden]

Hi Paul,

By posting this note you have, in fact, already informed all relevant
people about your vacancy. This has been known to engender negative
comments in the past. You might also be interested in the Python Software
Foundation's Jobs Board at https://www.python.org/jobs/, and you can enter
your jobs by consulting https://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/.

regards
 Steve

Steve Holden

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Coates, Paul <
p.coa...@progressiverecruitment.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I would like to post this job where I am currently looking for 3 Python
> Developers, email to send out:-
>
>
>
[potentially irritating text removed]​

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Re: [python-uk] London Dojo next Thursday

[Steve Holden]

Please ensure that the time and date of events are included in the body of
future emails. Sadly I don't think I can make this one, but I am hoping
that eventually my (relatively new) employer will be able to offer
occasional hosting.

Steve Holden

​PS: Oh, and good luck with the start-up!​


On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Tom Viner <t...@viner.tv> wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> For October's London dojo, of the year 2017, we'll be at Growth Street.
>
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Re: [python-uk] Summer training (from India with love)

[Steve Holden]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey <nt...@ntoll.org>
wrote:

> FWIW, Kushal is a legend. His efforts, reach and outcomes when it comes
> to building a Python community dwarf all others. India's flourishing
> Python community is largely down to the efforts of Kushal and his allies
> (PyCon India is the second largest PyCon in the world, at close to 2000
> attendees).
>
> We all have so much to learn from Kushal.
>
>
+1 to all that. Besides being a really nice guy Kushal works hard to
promote the Python language and its communities, and has done so
consistently for a very long time.  S

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Re: [python-uk] Python services within existing .Net infrastructure

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Hi Jonathan,

Congrats on the new role.

One thing I'd observe is that in my (outdated and limited) experience,
writing a windows service is much harder than writing a Linux daemon if it
has to acknowledge and interact with the desktop environment - see
https://lostechies.com/keithdahlby/2011/08/13/allowing-a-windows-service-to-interact-with-desktop-without-localsystem/,
for example. If things are easier nowadays, or if the service doesn't need
active management, I guess that won't count.

Back in the noughties I was a Windows user, and would frequently remind
people that Windows was an adequate platform on which to run open source
software. But I haven't used it now for about seven years.

Your point about the complexity of heterogeneous environments is a good
one. You might care to investigate the recent addition to Windows of bash
and friends, but of course if you asked the Windows devs to use it they
would in effect be migrating (a portion of) their skills to Linux. Some
will like the challenge, others will resent it.

I'm not sure I really understand the questions behind your final two bullet
points, so I will defer to those more perspicacious than I.

regards
 Steve

Steve Holden

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Tom Wright <t...@tatw.name> wrote:

> If people on the internet agree with you does it help you win arguments
> :), if so you should definitely use linux...
>
> One potentially interesting alternative is the UNIX implementation on
> windows 10. I've no experience, but would be interested in others'
> (including yours).
>
> I would throw two additional potentially important factors:
>
> * Licensing for scaling and development (this is one of those annoying
> human issues where you actually have to talk to people)
>
> * Build-debug-modify cycle on development and deployment. Do this wrong
> and people end up spending all their time reading reddit and feeling
> depressed. VMs can really slow this stuff down.
>
> On 31 Jan 2017 3:28 p.m., "Jonathan Hartley" <tart...@tartley.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm joining a small company with an existing service-based infrastructure
>> written in C# & F#, on Windows Server on AWS.
>>
>> They want me to write some new services in Python. I'm wondering whether
>> to host these Python services on Linux or on Windows.
>>
>>
>> In favour of Linux:
>>
>> L1. I'm by far more familiar with Linux.
>>
>> L2. Linux is Python's natural home. I expect the ecosystem to work at its
>> best there.
>>
>>
>> In favour of Windows:
>>
>> W1. I don't want to put up a barrier to the existing C# devs from working
>> on the Python services because they don't have a Linux install. (although I
>> guess this is circumvented by them using a VM)
>>
>> W2. I don't want to cause a devops headache by introducing heterogeneous
>> OS choices.
>>
>> W3. As a specific example of W2, some places I've worked at have had
>> local dev environments spin up all our services in VMs or containers on the
>> local host, so we can system test across all services. I fear heterogeneous
>> server OSes will make significantly harder to do. They also want me to lead
>> the charge on this sort of test setup, so this is going to be my problem.
>>
>> Thoughts welcome.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
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Re: [python-uk] PyData London 2017

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 4:52 PM, a.gra...@gmail.com <a.gra...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> maybe I'm a bit blind but where can I find informations about
> registrations/tickets?
>

I don't think tickets have gone on sale yet, Andrea, hence the absence of a
registration link. Watch this space ...

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Re: [python-uk] Code of Conduct

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On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:13 PM, John Lee <j...@pobox.com> wrote:

> I remember Dan Ariely reporting research in which some students were asked
> to sign the MIT honour code before taking a test (in his book "Predictably
> Irrational" I think).  It was found those students cheated less than a
> control group.  But, MIT doesn't *have* an honour code (according to
> Ariely, at the time)!  The hypothesis is that we need reminding about these
> things to behave better -- and the code itself is not so important.
>

In which case if more people did what Daniele did, and called out
unacceptable behaviour, we would get reminded but only after something at
least mildly unacceptable had happened.

Many mailing lists (used to) publish a monthly FAQ, a practice neither
python-list not this one has ever adopted. I wonder if this might be a
low-bandwidth way to discourage high-bandwidth incidents?

Of course this solution is now about thirty-five years old, and I realise
you young kids like the shiny we stuff, but it might actually give us an
impersonal way of setting everyone's expectations before things get out of
hand. If they do so quickly, we can always take the sting out of any
response by pointing to a web copy of hte FAW and saying :you may not have
yet been am member of the list long enough to see this."

After all, we aren't looking to discourage *people* here, but behaviours.

regards
 Steve


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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

[Steve Holden]

But perhaps an apt threat to anyone who gets out of hand. I'm sure we can
find room for a Comfy Chair somewhere when someone needs a Good Talking To.
 S

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On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Andy Robinson <a...@reportlab.com> wrote:

> On 7 December 2016 at 13:52, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote:
> > Me least of all. Had I been consulted I would have said that I am not a
> > suitable person to be enforcing CoCs and (in case you didn't get the
> message
> > earlier) I agree with Andy that the Python CoC will suffice.
>
> It was an attempt at a joke.  "Yorkshire Inquisition" just popped into
> my head.  Don't worry, it can remain entirely fictional.
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Re: [python-uk] Announcing the Yorkshire Inquisition

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On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Kluyver <tho...@kluyver.me.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 01:20 PM, Andy Robinson wrote:
> > To enforce good conduct in a suitably Pythonic manner, I  hereby
> > propose the foundation of the Yorkshire Inquisition, headed by Steve.
>
> I don't think anybody expected that!
>
> Me least of all. Had I been consulted I would have said that I am not a
suitable person to be enforcing CoCs and (in case you didn't get the
message earlier) I agree with Andy that the Python CoC will suffice. But I
know full well from my experience that to go too far down this road
inevitably invites a schism between the "freewheelers" (my category for
those whose happy life circumstances allow them to regard being offended as
part and parcel of a fully-lived life) and the "enforcers" (those who would
like specific punishments for specific offences. And I want no part of a
battle between these two poles. I don't really enjoy being a member of
polarised groups much at all.

So, seriously, honoured and all that but you will have to look for an
Enforcer elsewhere. I'm nobody's good example.

> Such an institution will have truly terrifying powers of enforcement.
> > Suggestions welcome on this thread
>
> Give the inquisition the power to restrict someone's use of language
> features. For instance, in a relatively mild incident, the heretic may
> be banned from using for loops for a month, and have to emulate them
> using while instead.


You are optimistic about the powers of enforcement. I believe the CoC does
allow list managers to ban people after suitable warnings. But I'm not a
list manager and have no pretensions to being one.

definitely-not-your-enforcer-ly yr's -  Steve

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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

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On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Richard Barran <rich...@arbee-design.co.uk>
wrote:

> I am reading your last 2 sentences and I hope I’m horribly
> misunderstanding your post; I’m reading that you are implying that I was
> picking on someone’s disability. Could you just confirm that I’ve got it
> completely wrong?
>

I'd have thought that was meant as a general injunction to us all rather
than guidance intended for you personally. But other interpretations are
possible. Personally I try to err on the side o fth emost charitable, in
the interests of keeping email volumes down ;-)

regards
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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

[Steve Holden]

Great heavens, I'd have thought it was obvious that anyone telling a woman
to "get a pair of balls" clearly has trouble perceiving women and men
through the same set of filters. And now you involve the deity, albeit as a
free variable. Then you interpret civil (though critical) comments about
your behaviour (rather than about you) as personal bullying.

I am struggling to understand your world view.  S

Steve Holden

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Richard Smith <rich...@indigo3.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 at 12:33 Daniele Procida <dani...@vurt.org> wrote:
>
>> So, you are literally saying that the only way to get by here is by being
>> a man.
>>
>> I see Sophie's problem all too clearly.
>
>
> *blink*[0]
>
> Words escape me to explain quite how moronic that statement is. Let me
> rephrase for your benefit[1]:
>
> For getattr(universe, 'deity')'s sake, grow up and talk to people.
>
> Now who's getting personal and going off on the bullying. That's enough...
> I'm out of here.
>
>  ~ Rich
>
> [0] I know, I said I wouldn't contribute further, but this entire response
> requires something
> [1] I honestly can't believe you think *that* has any bearing on my
> opinion or thinking.
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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

[Steve Holden]

Since this list is run via a python.org server I'd imagine there's at least
implicit consent by members to the Python Community Code of Conduct at
https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/. The three headings are "Open,"
"Considerate" and "Respectful". Clearly there is no agreement on those
terms and whether they can be applied to specific commnications. Without
such agreement no commonly acceptable standard of behaviour can be
established.

If anyone feels the need to start discussions on any other CoC than the one
linked above I will, having spent almost two years of my life establishing
the PSF Diversity Statement and Code of Conduct, leave this list rather
than filter out the correspondence. Take it from one who knows, while the
aim is laudable you have many better things to do with your time. Of course
it's entirely possible this will cause greater numbers to agitate FOR a new
CoC ...

regards
 Steve

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On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Nick Murdoch <n...@nivan.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 10:57:51AM +, Kaitlyn Tierney wrote:
> > I think this is exchange is clear proof that the list requires a Code of
> Conduct. Does the list-owner agree, and if so, can we discuss a process for
> enacting one to move this conversation in a more productive direction?
>
> +1
>
> > Kaitlyn
> >
> > > On 7 Dec 2016, at 10:55, Cory Benfield (Lukasa) <lukas...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 7 Dec 2016, at 10:31, Richard Smith <rich...@indigo3.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> What was rude about it? We should expect recruitment agents to do a
> little work to gain our trust. There are far too many bad agents in the
> world who think it's acceptable to cold-call, spam, bully, edit CVs, fake
> candidates and many underhanded activities.
> > >
> > > What was rude about it? I will quote you back to yourself:
> > >
> > >> It was clear from the OPs post that no thought was put into making
> the post
> > >> and that her intention was simply to float it out there to get some
> fish
> > >> biting.
> > >>
> > >> Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more
> accommodating. As
> > >> it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents.
> > >
> > > In these two paragraphs you assert that Sophie is lazy, cynical, and
> opportunistic. Those assertions are rude. They make no effort to assume the
> best of other people. They judge a human being’s actions through the lens
> of their job title alone. That kind of behaviour is uncharitable, and it is
> rude, and it is frankly below us as a community. While I’m here, I should
> note that your claim that you weren’t being rude is followed by a
> discussion about “bad agents […] who think it’s acceptable to cold-call,
> spam, bully, edit CVs, fake candidates, and many underhanded activities”,
> when even a most charitable reading of this situation gives you enough
> evidence to accuse OP of *at most* spamming.
> > >
> > > Your disinterest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents is best dealt
> with by marking the mail as read, adding the sender to a block list, and
> moving on. But the fact that you feel personally aggrieved by recruiter
> behaviour does not justify this rant. If you would like to discuss whether
> recruiter mail should be allowed on this mailing list, feel free. However,
> you should try to avoid making it personal. Criticise the work, not the
> messenger. And if I’m wrong about your motives and you genuinely do want to
> criticise OP, you should be up-front about that rather than pretending you
> aren’t doing it, and then you should expect that other people on the
> mailing list will call you out when you do it.
> > >
> > > This nonsense is why communities feel the need to put codes of conduct
> in place. The original incident is long over, with all relevant people
> having apologised for the various miscommunications. No bad intent was had
> on either side: it was a classic miscommunication. The incident itself
> required no CoC to resolve. But rather than let this lie, you appear to
> have felt the need to make the principled stand that no apology was needed
> because recruiters are bad people who deserve to be mocked. If that’s your
> position, then you find yourself at odds with the norms on this list, which
> allow job posts. You should feel free to change that norm, but you should
> not assume that you have carte blanche to unload on each recruiter that
> comes by. Do what the rest of us do and just *ignore it*.
> > >
> > > Cory
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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

[Steve Holden]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 4:10 AM, Daniele Procida <dani...@vurt.org> wrote:

> >Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more accommodating.
> As
> >it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents.
>
> This is rudeness bordering on abuse, and it's definitely not acceptable on
> this email list.
>

It's certainly the kind of value judgement that is unhelpful, so thanks for
calling it out, Daniele. I'd like to feel we can treat everyone with the
same courtesy we'd like for ourselves.

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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

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Yes, it's a pity the more rational feedback didn't come first, but knees do
tend to jerk at recruitment communications.  S

Steve Holden

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Tom Wright <t...@tatw.name> wrote:

> Perhaps replying immediately doesn't count as pause, but I hope this
> constitutes thought.
>
> I would make three points:
>
> I. The tone of the response may in part be due to the recruitment topic
> more than anything else. This is unfortunately a rather fraught subject.
> Bulk recruitment ads are so common  it is unsurprising that people would
> view them as a piece of text rather than a correspondence with a real
> person.
>
> II. I suspect that many readers do not view this list as for communication
> that requires "professional" standards. And might view the imposition of
> professionalism in this context as problematic.
>
> This represents the key conflict at the heart of codes of conduct:
> in-group behaviour that can be damagingly exclusionary, versus the
> imposition of strict rules that impinge upon an informal setting.
>
> III. I don't know if the guidance on this list for jobs posts is
> particularly clear, and if I am not mistaken is mostly held in people's
> heads. An unfortunate side effect of no clearly defined rules is that the
> informal rules can be unforced rather unfriendlily.
>
> On 6 Dec 2016 1:46 p.m., "David Wilson" <dw+python...@hmmz.org> wrote:
>
>> While I quite enjoyed this thread and, especially considering the
>> recruiter's followup, it appears to have somewhat been in bad taste.
>>
>> I can't speak for others, but I'm in my mid 30s and regularly confuse
>> license/licence, prescribe/proscribe and without doubt a bunch more,
>> either through finger memory or plain old thinko. It would not be
>> without embarrassment to have strangers publicly ridicule such errors,
>> especially in a professional context as occurred here.
>>
>> This is a minor incident, but it's from a class where the underlying
>> insensitivity has forced other communities to grow a Code of Conduct,
>> therefore perhaps it's worth taking a little pause to reflect on it.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 01:57:00PM +, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
>> > On 06/12/16 13:20, Roger Gammans wrote:
>> > > If your set of Prinicpia is Russell's not Newton's you may not
>> > > have simple values.
>> >
>> > Our principal aim is to express a complete and consistent set of
>> > misspelled principles.
>> >
>>
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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

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On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:41 PM, David Wilson <dw+python...@hmmz.org> wrote:

> This is a minor incident, but it's from a class where the underlying
> insensitivity has forced other communities to grow a Code of Conduct,
> therefore perhaps it's worth taking a little pause to reflect on it.
>

+1

A little innocent fun is OK, but when it runs the risk of being hurtful
it's probably gone far enough. It would be horrible if the Python community
got a name for being snide.

S

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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 6

[Steve Holden]

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Sophie Hendley <sophie.hend...@digvis.co.uk>
wrote:

> Thanks for this guys, I am Dyslexic and occasionally I make mistakes.
>
> Also my name is Sophie not "recruiter".
>
> If anyone is interested in the Principal engineer roles then do get in
> touch.
>
> my email is sophie.hend...@digvis.co.uk
>

 I hope you don't feel too offended by our fun. I'm a bit dyslexic myself,
so I'm used to people assuming I'm a bit dim. Good luck in the Shine Night
Walk!

regards
 Steve

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Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to £95k

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On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Nicholas H.Tollervey <nt...@ntoll.org>
wrote:

> On 06/12/16 12:31, Andy Robinson wrote:
> > Yes, but if the job involves "engineering" peoples' principles, it's a
> > bit worrying.
>
> Depending on your level of cynicism that could apply to all sorts of
> professions: from teachers via priests and "marketing types" to
> politicians.


What's the principal principle to be observed in this principality?

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Re: [python-uk] Good people wanted, small London startup between Liverpool St and Mooregate

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On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Chris Withers <ch...@simplistix.co.uk>
wrote:

> What do you mean by MSSQL?
>

That usually refers to Microsoft SQL Server.

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Re: [python-uk] Build Something- London Python Project Nights

[Steve Holden]

I might add that there shouldn't be any need to burn your hands. Most of
the connections can be made in plugboards. I might or moght not have a
soldering iron available if you REALLY want to burn your hands!

I plan to have at least a couple of Raspberry Pis, a WiPy and a micro:bit,
all of which can be persuaded to run Python, so you shouldn't need any
deeper programming knowledge than that.

At the level we'll be dealing with there isn't a lot of complexity to the
electronics, but it's nice to even get an LED to toggle on and off in
response to Python commands.

See you Wednesday evening!

regards
 Steve

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On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:22 PM, S Walker <walke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> (cross posted from the build something mailing list in case anyone here
> is interested)
>
> Good morning,
> The next Build Something will be next Wednesday- sorry for the late
> notice, just giving people a little time to recover from PyconUK!
>
> RSVP at:
> https://www.meetup.com/London-Python-Project-Nights/events/234327502/
>
> It's the SW1 Broadway, not the East London (or any other) one.
>
> With many thanks to BMLL Technologies Ltd, and Steve Holden, for
> agreeing to provide a place for us to meet.
>
> As a side note, Steve has said that he'll have a bunch of hardware (of
> the burning-your-fingers-with-solder variety) there for anyone
> interested in playing with that. If you're not sure how to get started
> or worried that all you'll be able to produce is magic smoke, he has
> also quite graciously said that he is willing to provide an introduction.
>
> So, if you want to get a quick introduction to some electronics, or work
> on an existing (or new) project, please come along!
>
> Thanks,
> S
>
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

[Steve Holden]

To which the real geek solution would be to write a program that will
re-order top-posted replies. We could call it "sensiblising".

Steve Holden

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Nathan Jeffrey <nathan.jeff...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016, 17:54 Jon Ribbens, <jon+python...@unequivocal.eu>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Could we talk about top-posting instead please?
>>
>
> I gave up on that fight a long, long time ago. You can't win. There are
> too many of them.
>
> - N
>
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Re: [python-uk] job postings to this list

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Jon Ribbens <jon+python...@unequivocal.eu>
wrote:

> Could we talk about top-posting instead please?
>

Me too!

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Re: [python-uk] Data Wrangling with Python Course

[Steve Holden]

Hi Katherine. I'm a not-terribly-active member of the organising committee
for PyData London, and it seems to me your material might be of interest to
the membership of that group - see
http://www.meetup.com/PyData-London-Meetup. The group is holding its annual
conference on 6-8 May - see http://pydata.org/london2016/ - and you may
find that is a suitable place to find an audience for your classes. The
conference doesn't exist to publicize everything PyData related, however,
so you should probably make contact with the organizers to determine how
best to achieve your aims without compromising the conference.

regards
 Steve

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On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Katharine Jarmul <kjar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> My name is Katharine; I live in Berlin, Germany and write Python (/me
> waves). I'm writing here because I'm promoting a course on learning Python
> data wrangling / big data in London next month and was hoping for
> suggestions on places to promote the class. It's a two day introduction to
> data analysis with Python covering lots of pandas, some hadoop and spark as
> well as some scaling and automation. Any tips on getting the word out would
> be wonderful. (eventbrite link:
> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/data-wrangling-with-python-tickets-24508496573 
> ).
> Also, if any Python events are happening that week (May 23-29) I'd love to
> hear about them and meet some London pythonistas. :)
>
> Thanks in advance for any / all advice! If you'd rather reach out via
> twitter I'm @kjam.
> -katharine
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Re: [python-uk] A MicroPython kickstarter

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For those of you who can't wait, by the way, I'd recommend you look at the
WiPy -
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wipy/the-wipy-the-internet-of-things-taken-to-the-next
- I was a supporter of this kickstarter effort, and have already had a lot
of fun playing with MicroPython on this wifi device (I bought five, and
have so far only fried one by connecting 5v where 3.3v was the limit). I
found the documentation a little inadequate to start with, and it uses the
TI CC3200 chip, but it's a 40-pin device with wifi built in. Knowing how to
configure the multi-function pins on the 3200 would be a great help, as the
hardware documentation is voluminous and more intended, OI suspect, for
engineers planning production runs of thousands of devices.

The lab is still in its Christmas closedown state (it's the garage, and
hasn't yet recovered from having to stash all kinds of stuff there to
accommodate guests), but I defeinitely plan to get back to it again when
work quietens down. Probably about this time next year, the way things are
going. I'm supporting Damien's Kickstarter project because documentation is
important, the 8266 looks like a more usable device than the 3200, and it's
just the right thing to do!

regards
 Steve



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On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey <nt...@ntoll.org>
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Damien is at it again... :-)
>
> He's created a version of MicroPython that runs on the ubiquitous
> ESP8266 WiFi chip (so Pythonic IoT a doddle).
>
> If you want to support Python as a first class IoT language then please
> consider backing this:
>
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/214379695/micropython-on-the-esp8266-beautifully-easy-iot
>
> From the blurb:
>
> "We want to make MicroPython run like clockwork on the bare metal of the
> ESP8266 Wi-Fi chip. MicroPython gives you the benefits of a well-known
> high-level programming language - simple and powerful code, and rapid
> development - all in the constraints of a microcontroller. Using
> MicroPython on the ESP8266 will allow you to create beautiful Internet
> of Things devices with ease, much quicker than with C or similar
> compiled languages, and using Python is a lot of fun!"
>
>
> N.
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Re: [python-uk] Call for London based volunteers - Wednesday 9th December

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Hi Nick,

Just as well I cancelled, as I am interviewing a candidate from 5:30 to
6:30 this evening (talk about throwing me in at the deep end ...). If I get
chance I might try looking in for a few minutes, but I suspect by then I
may be a little too knackered to bother (early start this morning). S

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Nicholas H.Tollervey <nt...@ntoll.org>
wrote:

> Invites sent to those listed below. If you're on the list and don't get
> the invite please do let me know.
>
> All the details about location and timing are in the invite.
>
> Happy to answer questions..!
>
> Nicholas.
>
> On 03/12/15 10:52, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > You're all awesome. Thanks for volunteering. On the "list" I have:
> >
> > Cory Benfield
> > Andrea Grandi (late)
> > Nathan Jeffrey
> > Steve Holden
> > David MacIver
> > Gautier Hayoun
> > Alex ???
> > Harry Percival
> >
> > I think we have a full house!
> >
> > I'll ping you guys an invite with all the details later today.
> >
> > Best wishes and many thanks once again!
> >
> > N.
> >
> > On 03/12/15 09:17, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote:
> >> Hi Folks,
> >>
> >> tl;dr - This is important. Help teachers. Get a micro:bit. 4pm-ish
> >> Wednesday 9th December at the BCS in London.
> >>
> >> This is an opportunity for you to positively affect and contribute to
> >> how Python is taught in London's schools. Where London leads the rest of
> >> the UK often follows (in terms of teaching).
> >>
> >> Computing at School (CAS) are to IT teachers as the PSF are to
> >> Pythonistas. I've been working with them as part of the micro:bit
> >> project in order to get teachers up to speed with MicroPython etc.
> >>
> >> Next Wednesday (9th December) about half a dozen of London's CAS master
> >> teachers (basically, the most experienced teachers, leaders, movers and
> >> shakers) will be at the BCS off the Strand (from 4pm onwards) with a
> >> view to exploring and creating resources for MicroPython on the
> >> micro:bit. We need an equivalent number of Python developers to attend
> >> to partner up, help out, answer questions and have fun with micro:bits.
> >> We want the outcome to be lesson plans, code and a positive vibe.
> >>
> >> I realise people may only be able to get post-work (5pm). I can hold the
> >> fort from 4pm giving a quick run-down of MicroPython.
> >>
> >> I think I should be able to wangle it so that those developers who
> >> attend will be able to get their hands on (and keep for an extended
> >> period of time) a micro:bit for testing / development purposes. So, if
> >> you'd like to play with a micro:bit, this is how you get one. They're
> >> very cool and people have lots of fun with them:
> >> https://github.com/bbcmicrobit/micropython/tree/neopixel
> >>
> >> Of course, this is an important collaboration. If there was ever a time
> >> to "be arsed" about something - this is it in terms of the amount of
> >> potential change and positive impact for Python vs. actual effort you
> >> have to put in.
> >>
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Re: [python-uk] No activity on #python-unregistered irc channel?

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Ah, that's where you end up, I think, if you haven't registered an IRC
password - the #python channel requires you to be an authenticated user.

S

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:50 PM, gvim  wrote:

> It's where I ended up on irc.freenode.net when I joined #python.
>
> gvim
>
>
>
>
> On 08/12/2015 13:42, Cory Benfield (Lukasa) wrote:
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>>
>> On 8 Dec 2015, at 13:40, gvim  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm new to Python and recently asked a couple of questions on the
>>> #python-unregistered irc channel. Despite nearly 1200 logged-in users I
>>> didn't get a reply to any of my questions and there also didn't seem to be
>>> any activity. Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> grim
>>>
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Re: [python-uk] Call for London based volunteers - Wednesday 9th December

[Steve Holden]

I'd like to try and make this event, but because I am starting a new job
that day may not be able to get there until 17:30 or so.  S

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> tl;dr - This is important. Help teachers. Get a micro:bit. 4pm-ish
> Wednesday 9th December at the BCS in London.
>
> This is an opportunity for you to positively affect and contribute to
> how Python is taught in London's schools. Where London leads the rest of
> the UK often follows (in terms of teaching).
>
> Computing at School (CAS) are to IT teachers as the PSF are to
> Pythonistas. I've been working with them as part of the micro:bit
> project in order to get teachers up to speed with MicroPython etc.
>
> Next Wednesday (9th December) about half a dozen of London's CAS master
> teachers (basically, the most experienced teachers, leaders, movers and
> shakers) will be at the BCS off the Strand (from 4pm onwards) with a
> view to exploring and creating resources for MicroPython on the
> micro:bit. We need an equivalent number of Python developers to attend
> to partner up, help out, answer questions and have fun with micro:bits.
> We want the outcome to be lesson plans, code and a positive vibe.
>
> I realise people may only be able to get post-work (5pm). I can hold the
> fort from 4pm giving a quick run-down of MicroPython.
>
> I think I should be able to wangle it so that those developers who
> attend will be able to get their hands on (and keep for an extended
> period of time) a micro:bit for testing / development purposes. So, if
> you'd like to play with a micro:bit, this is how you get one. They're
> very cool and people have lots of fun with them:
> https://github.com/bbcmicrobit/micropython/tree/neopixel
>
> Of course, this is an important collaboration. If there was ever a time
> to "be arsed" about something - this is it in terms of the amount of
> potential change and positive impact for Python vs. actual effort you
> have to put in.
>
> I'm always happy to answer questions, hear constructive critique and
> have ideas suggested.
>
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>
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Re: [python-uk] In Bilbao at the moment. Anyone else here?

[Steve Holden]

Yeah, have a great time in Bilbao. Sorry I have to miss it through diary 
clashes: please have a drink for me.

S

On Jul 18, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey nt...@ntoll.org wrote:

 I've just arrived in Bilbao with my wife and daughter. It'll be easiest
 to ping me on Twitter @ntoll
 
 Apparently there's traditional Basque folk dancing just over the river
 from the Abando metro station (in the old town) from 7pm. Lots of
 cafes and restaurants there too.
 
 My AirBnB share with @voidspace and family is close by the station there.
 
 :-)
 
 N.
 
 On 17/07/15 20:51, Luis Visintini wrote:
 I have already started my conference holiday here in Bilbao.
 
 I've had all afternoon to myself to walk about and take in all the
 sunshine I can get.
 
 Would be nice to share beers and pinchos with any other UK pythonistas
 in the area already.
 
 Anyone else?
 
 Cheers
 
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Re: [python-uk] [PyConUK-adm] Nicholas Tollervey winner of PSF Community Service Award

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Hi Nick,

On Jun 24, 2015, at 6:50 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey nt...@ntoll.org wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 
 Many thanks..! I'm feeling rather chuffed and a little embarrassed.
 
Chuffed I can understand, but the embarrassment is completely inappropriate. 
Oh, wait, you're English. I've clearly spent too long in America.

 I'm going to make a cup of tea in celebration.
 
And perhaps something stronger in due course, I hope.

 Will raise a toast and dunk a biscuit to everyone who has and continues
 to help with Python in education in the UK.
 
Toast AND biscuits?

 You all deserve an award!
 
While that is true, I think the general feeling will be that your work with the 
BBC to ensure that Python is a programming choice for their new educational 
device plus your leadership role in the PyCon UK team plus makes you stand out 
from the crowd. The PSF initiated the Community Service Awards (not an easy 
development at the time, by the way) precisely to give public recognition to 
outstanding efforts on Python's behalf, so despite your embarrassment you truly 
are a worthy recipient.

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Re: [python-uk] PyGame Zero: I tried to install but I failed :/

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On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Tom Viner t...@viner.tv wrote:

 Quite right Steve. Teams may like to tidy up their code and create an issue 
 on Dan (lordmauve)'s bitbucket repo. The raspberry pi foundation will then 
 have a chance to use your code in lesson plans for kids round the country.


Along those lines, I realized as I was tidying up that while the code is 
self-evident to me, and to any experienced programmer, it would probably be 
very helpful to our junior colleagues (a phrase I try to use in preference to 
kids or even students as being more inclusive) if we were to add simple 
comments.

In my README I also put a short description of the program's architecture and 
operation, along with hints for enhancements students might like to make. I 
left the program functional but deliberately incomplete, and some of the 
enhancements (e.g. add sound, improve the graphics) are easy enough for even 
non-programmers to undertake without dread. That's an easy way to get a sense 
of accomplishment.

I'm currently busy adding branches to show my approach to some of these 
enhancements, which I hope will be useful to teachers who aren't particularly 
experienced programmers themselves in helping students who undertake them.

I think it's perhaps as complex as it needs to get now, otherwise it will start 
to need a Teacher's Guide :-)

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Re: [python-uk] PyGame Zero: I tried to install but I failed :/

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Hi Tom,

I thought I had done what was requested by raising this issue on behalf of team 
5 (whose other members I should very much like to identify) by raising this 
issue: 
https://bitbucket.org/lordmauve/pgzero/issue/13/holdenwebs-game-ready-for-incorporation#comment-None

If there's anything else I need to do please let me know.

S

On Jun 6, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Tom Viner t...@viner.tv wrote:

 We have the code from two teams (1  4) linked here: 
 https://github.com/ldnpydojo/ldnpydojo-game-zero
 
 Laptop owners on teams 2, 3 and 5 do get in contact so your team mates and 
 others can view and improve on your team's code.
 
 On 6 June 2015 at 18:25, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
 Good question. I was wondering how to contact the members of team 5 so I can 
 credit them in the code and let them know where the github repo for our code 
 lives.
 
 S
 
 On Jun 6, 2015, at 5:16 PM, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yay! It worked now :)
 Thank you so much!
 
 p.s: where can I find the code we wrote last night?
 
 Cheers.
 
 On 6 June 2015 at 17:05, Nicholas H.Tollervey nt...@ntoll.org wrote:
 You need the Python 3 version of PyGame installed. Instructions for how
 to do this are in the PyGame Zero docs:
 
 https://pygame-zero.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installation.html#on-osx
 
 Hope this helps and glad you enjoyed the dojo!
 
 :-)
 
 N.
 
 On 06/06/15 17:01, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 after the amazing evening at last Python Dojo, I decided to try to use
 PyGame Zero by myself, but I wasn't able to install it :/
 
 I tried on a Mac (OSX Yosemite). I first installed Python 3 using brew
 (I normally use Python 2.7) and I created a venv with this command:
 
 mkvirtualenv -p /usr/local/bin/python3.4 pgz
 Running virtualenv with interpreter /usr/local/bin/python3.4
 Using base prefix
 '/usr/local/Cellar/python3/3.4.3/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.4'
 New python executable in pgz/bin/python3.4
 Also creating executable in pgz/bin/python
 Installing setuptools, pip, wheel...done.
 (pgz)➜  ~
 
 until here... everything ok.
 
 When I try to install pygame zero from pip I get this error:
 
 (pgz)➜  ~  pip3 install pgzero
 DEPRECATION: --download-cache has been deprecated and will be removed
 in the future. Pip now automatically uses and configures its cache.
 Collecting pgzero
  Downloading pgzero-1.0.2.tar.gz (326kB)
100% || 327kB 955kB/s
 Collecting pygame=1.9 (from pgzero)
  Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement pygame=1.9
 (from pgzero) (from versions: )
  Some externally hosted files were ignored as access to them may be
 unreliable (use --allow-external pygame to allow).
 No matching distribution found for pygame=1.9 (from pgzero)
 
 even using pip instead of pip3 doesn't help.
 
 I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong but I'm not able to figure
 out what. Has anyone any idea about what's wrong with my setup?
 
 Thank you so much for your help!
 
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Re: [python-uk] PyGame Zero: I tried to install but I failed :/

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Good question. I was wondering how to contact the members of team 5 so I can 
credit them in the code and let them know where the github repo for our code 
lives.

S

On Jun 6, 2015, at 5:16 PM, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yay! It worked now :)
 Thank you so much!
 
 p.s: where can I find the code we wrote last night?
 
 Cheers.
 
 On 6 June 2015 at 17:05, Nicholas H.Tollervey nt...@ntoll.org wrote:
 You need the Python 3 version of PyGame installed. Instructions for how
 to do this are in the PyGame Zero docs:
 
 https://pygame-zero.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installation.html#on-osx
 
 Hope this helps and glad you enjoyed the dojo!
 
 :-)
 
 N.
 
 On 06/06/15 17:01, a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 after the amazing evening at last Python Dojo, I decided to try to use
 PyGame Zero by myself, but I wasn't able to install it :/
 
 I tried on a Mac (OSX Yosemite). I first installed Python 3 using brew
 (I normally use Python 2.7) and I created a venv with this command:
 
 mkvirtualenv -p /usr/local/bin/python3.4 pgz
 Running virtualenv with interpreter /usr/local/bin/python3.4
 Using base prefix
 '/usr/local/Cellar/python3/3.4.3/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.4'
 New python executable in pgz/bin/python3.4
 Also creating executable in pgz/bin/python
 Installing setuptools, pip, wheel...done.
 (pgz)➜  ~
 
 until here... everything ok.
 
 When I try to install pygame zero from pip I get this error:
 
 (pgz)➜  ~  pip3 install pgzero
 DEPRECATION: --download-cache has been deprecated and will be removed
 in the future. Pip now automatically uses and configures its cache.
 Collecting pgzero
  Downloading pgzero-1.0.2.tar.gz (326kB)
100% || 327kB 955kB/s
 Collecting pygame=1.9 (from pgzero)
  Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement pygame=1.9
 (from pgzero) (from versions: )
  Some externally hosted files were ignored as access to them may be
 unreliable (use --allow-external pygame to allow).
 No matching distribution found for pygame=1.9 (from pgzero)
 
 even using pip instead of pip3 doesn't help.
 
 I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong but I'm not able to figure
 out what. Has anyone any idea about what's wrong with my setup?
 
 Thank you so much for your help!
 
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Re: [python-uk] Congratulations Carrie Anne and Naomi

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Votes OF the board, not votes FOR the board.  S

On Jun 2, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:

 I don't see how having 11 positions makes ties less likely. In this case it 
 *caused* the tie :-)
 

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Re: [python-uk] Congratulations Carrie Anne and Naomi

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Hi Nick,

On Jun 2, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey nt...@ntoll.org wrote:

 It's also rather wonderful that 7 of the 12 directors are women.


11, I believe, to make tied votes less likely. But I echo your sentiments 
entirely on both points.

S
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Re: [python-uk] London Python Project Nights

[Steve Holden]

HI AL,

I seem to have mistakenly ended up with three tickets for the event (or at 
least three confirmation emails).

They all have the same booking number, but three different ticket numbers. 
Please feel free to delete two of them, retaining ticket Y44X-NVKJ-XK which I 
will regard as my booking.

Sorry about this - clearly I was being too impatient with EventWax, but this is 
something of a surprise.

regards
 Steve

On May 13, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Alistair Broomhead alistair.broomh...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Tickets are up for next week's event: 
 https://london-python-project-nights.eventwax.com/london-python-project-nights-s00-e00
 
 More details at http://london-python-project-nights.github.io
 
 This is an informal event, bring your own food and drink, but more 
 importantly bring a project, or the desire to find one!
 
 This month we'll be at Skimlinks near Old St, on Thursday 21st from 18:45, I 
 hope to see some of you there,
 
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Re: [python-uk] UK based Pythonistas as candidates for the PSF board

[Steve Holden]

In fact you do not need to be a PSF member to stand as a candidate for its 
board.

To attain voting status in the PSF you foo need to do a little more than just 
sign up (which masks you a non-voting member). Support a working group, for 
example.

As it happens the PSF has just cancelled the current board election with 23 
candidates for 11 places due to a minor procedural irregularity, so there may 
be time to nominate someone else. Or there may not. We are still waiting for 
the practical outcome.

S

On May 4, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Zeth theol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4 May 2015 at 13:02, Andy Robinson a...@reportlab.com wrote:
 BTW I was once asked to be on the PSF board, when it was first set up,
 and turned it down So if you are
 really keen to have an extra nomination I wouldn't mind, but I am not
 going to press for it either.
 
 Someone will have to help me here with details, but a quick reply
 before I forget and this thread disappears into gmail. It used to be
 that you needed to be a nominated and voted in to be a member of the
 PSF, but I think they have changed/are changing it to a system where
 you just sign up on a web form to become a member of the PSF. Once as
 a member you can run for the board of the PSF when they next open
 nominations, which I guess is early 2016 or something.
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Re: [python-uk] RaspberryPi related request for help

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Excellent research! Doubt I'm going to be helping wit this but very much behind 
it.  S

On Mar 27, 2015, at 10:02 AM, René Dudfield ren...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok, here's a start... I gathered more information, and found an 
 alternative[0].
 
 
 Seems i2c-tools needs to make a new release first? That would be the place to 
 ask first. http://www.lm-sensors.org/browser/i2c-tools/trunk
 
 Then the Debian package can be updated:
 https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-smbus
 
 By posting a bug report here, which will alert the maintainers.
 
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=python-smbus;dist=unstable
 
 You can see all the Debian package info here, like the change log, the debian 
 packaging files, and maintainer email addresses:
 https://packages.qa.debian.org/i/i2c-tools.html
 
 They last made a release on March 8th, so they would seem to be responsive.
 

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Re: [python-uk] RaspberryPi related request for help

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Hi Andrew,

That's an interesting idea. If you aren't already considering it, I'd recommend 
minoconda3 to keep network traffic and build times down - as you are doubtless 
aware Anaconda can be pretty heavyweight, whereas miniconda is leaner, using 
load-on-demand.

I know that the guys at Continuum (principal developers of Anaconda) are 
supportive of Raspberry Pi (see for example 
http://continuum.io/blog/raspberry), but cross-compilation on a reasonably 
powerful machine (or at least a Raspberry Pi 2) would make the task more 
manageable.

Of course this brain dump comes to you without benefit of knowing your plans in 
detail. Sorry if it's all blindingly obvious.

S

On Mar 24, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Andrew Farrell amfarr...@mit.edu wrote:

 Hi Carrie,
 
 Would a solution that involves conda, a cross-platform package manager mostly 
 used in the scientific python community be usable by the team, or would 
 installing that be a non-starter?
 If it would be useful, I can take a crack at it this weekend.
 
 -- Andrew
 
 On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Nicholas H.Tollervey nt...@ntoll.org 
 wrote:
 Hi,
 
 The RaspberryPi Education team (i.e. Carrie Anne - cc'd) is having a
 problem getting a Python 3 version of smbus to work. The following links
 pretty much sum up the problem.
 
 http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-i2c/msg08427.html
 http://procrastinative.ninja/2014/07/21/smbus-for-python34-on-raspberry/
 http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32t=22348
 
 Put simply, does anyone have the time and knowledge to create a
 python3-smbus package for Raspbian using the instructions/details above?
 As I can tell, it's a case of following the instructions above to apply
 the patch and repackaging it. A good outcome would be a
 python3-smbus.deb package. I'm crazy busy at the moment but might try
 fixing this next week if you don't manage it first.
 
 You may be asking yourself, Why should I? Well, I'm glad you asked: a
 *huge* number of children (think several million) and the education team
 (around 4) would benefit from this work.
 
 Put simply, you'll be making a huge difference.
 
 Here's hoping you can help.
 
 :-)
 
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Re: [python-uk] Microbit

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Michael,

Many congratulations getting this project off the ground with Python support. 
That's amazing news. Can't wait to see the details fleshed out.

S

On Mar 13, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Michael spark...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since it's in photos, it's safe to say that the current _prototype product_ 
 uses an Atmel 32U4, which doesn't have anywhere enough memory to run 
 micropython. (So in order to run python on it via the gcc-avr tool chain, you 
 can probably infer a number of things I had to do, involving ply)
 
 The actual final device wil be using a different chip, so we'll see on that 
 front.
 
 The micropython device is cool though :-)
 
 As I get the go ahead to release stuff, I will do so. Meanwhile, the PSF are 
 an official partner, so I'll be supporting Nick.
 
 
 Michael.
 
 On 13 March 2015 at 10:44, Antonio Cavallo a.cava...@cavallinux.eu wrote:
 
  Getting hold of MicroBits is at the top of my ToDo list with this 
  project. I'll let you know how I get on.
 
 Possibly Micropython.org.. 
 
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

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We can take it you are self-employed, then? ;-)

S

On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Stestagg stest...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom
 
 I'm currently looking for work, as my current employer is awful, and I pretty 
 much hate my boss.  Do you have any roles available that could save me from 
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

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Spammers gonna spam ;-)  Guess we've all done it. S

On Feb 4, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Thomas Hunger tehun...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well now, that's a slightly larger audience than I had in mind.
 
 How embarrassing .. I apologise for the spam!
 
 

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[python-uk] UK Python Training Day: Tuesday 9 December, Westminster, London

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Hi there,

Tomorrow (sorry for the short notice) I have rented a space in Central London 
and will be making myself available to discuss current UK needs for Python 
training. In 2015 I expect to be spending much more time in the UK, presenting 
training of a regular basis.

The day was originally to have been a class, but I didn't advertise it well or 
widely enough to get any takers. I am therefore instead using the day a) to 
work on some open source training materials and b) discuss people's training 
needs with them.

I am also putting on a lunch, to which you are all cordially invited. I can 
guarantee a fairly good meal.

The purpose of the day is discussed in a blog post at

  
http://holdenweb.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/uk-python-training-open-day-and-lunch.html

and you can sign up for the lunch, or simply let me know you are visiting, at

  https://www.eventbrite.com/e/uk-python-training-day-tickets-14720737121.

If you get chance to pass the details on to anyone with interests in Python 
training I shall be grateful. Also please feel free to encourage others to 
attend the lunch (which is limited to 12 places).

regards
 Steve
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Re: [python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 136, Issue 4

[Steve Holden]

Hi Walter,

On Dec 8, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Walter emailing.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Steve and all,
 
 Many thanks for the announcement here.
 
 I saw the book last week in the store and liked it a lot. I am starting out 
 as a python junior after the OReilly Py course and I am happy to give you 
 some feedback.
 
You surely can't mean Python Web Programming?

It's always good to hear from students whose careers have been helped by taking 
the O'Reilly Python courses.

 See you tomorrow.
 


Looking forward to it.

S

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Re: [python-uk] UK Python Training Day: Tuesday 9 December, Westminster, London

[Steve Holden]

Cool. Looking forward to it.

S

On Dec 8, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Kev Dwyer kevin.p.dw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I shall be there.

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