Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Martin Campbell]

To quote an old boss of mine "Well, it's an interesting way to resign"

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Feb 2015, at 21:03, Steve Holden 
mailto:st...@holdenweb.com>> wrote:

We can take it you are self-employed, then? ;-)

S

On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Stestagg 
mailto:stest...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Tom

I'm currently looking for work, as my current employer is awful, and I pretty 
much hate my boss.  Do you have any roles available that could save me from 
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Hansel Dunlop]

See! Why would anyone want to remove this reply-to goodness. It's a bug
we've all become to rely on.
On 4 Feb 2015 21:03, "Steve Holden"  wrote:

> We can take it you are self-employed, then? ;-)
>
> S
>
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Stestagg  wrote:
>
> Hi Tom
>
> I'm currently looking for work, as my current employer is awful, and I
> pretty much hate my boss.  Do you have any roles available that could save
> me from this hell?
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Steve Holden]

We can take it you are self-employed, then? ;-)

S

On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Stestagg  wrote:

> Hi Tom
> 
> I'm currently looking for work, as my current employer is awful, and I pretty 
> much hate my boss.  Do you have any roles available that could save me from 
> this hell?
> 
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Stestagg]

Hi Tom

I'm currently looking for work, as my current employer is awful, and I
pretty much hate my boss.  Do you have any roles available that could save
me from this hell?

Thanks

Steve

p.s. If you have a referral bonus, I can give you all my colleagues details
too..

j/k ;)

On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:22:06 PM Tom Viner  wrote:

> Cheryl Fay would like to recall the message, "[python-uk] New Year's
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>> +1
>>
>> As long as the list is Cc'd, reply-all works fine. It has the slight
>> disadvantage that some people might receive a second copy of list messages,
>> but that's probably better than accidental list messages.
>>
>> S
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Marcin Tustin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm generally persuaded by the arguments against reply-to.
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Tom Viner]

Cheryl Fay would like to recall the message, "[python-uk] New Year's London
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On 4 February 2015 at 15:49, Steve Holden  wrote:

> +1
>
> As long as the list is Cc'd, reply-all works fine. It has the slight
> disadvantage that some people might receive a second copy of list messages,
> but that's probably better than accidental list messages.
>
> S
>
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Marcin Tustin  wrote:
>
> I'm generally persuaded by the arguments against reply-to.
>
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[John Lee]

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015, Doug Winter wrote:


On 04/02/15 14:16, Andy Robinson wrote:

I'm one of the list admins.  There are a couple of others.  Happy to
make a change if a significant majority feel that way.

However, sometimes accidental replies are the only thing keeping the
list alive ;-)


If everyone has a client that supports a separate "Reply List" function
(like mutt and now, finally, Thunderbird) then losing the Reply-To works
pretty well.

Otherwise every solution is equally confusing to someone, and at least
this one provides some amusement :)

Cheers,

Doug.


Seems gmail does not have that feature?

http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-05-24


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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Steve Holden]

+1

As long as the list is Cc'd, reply-all works fine. It has the slight 
disadvantage that some people might receive a second copy of list messages, but 
that's probably better than accidental list messages.

S

On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:46 AM, Marcin Tustin  wrote:

> I'm generally persuaded by the arguments against reply-to.
> 

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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Michael]

But surely the bikeshed should be blue!

Michael

On 4 February 2015 at 15:38, Peter Inglesby 
wrote:

> It seems like several of the arguments for keeping the current behaviour
> are that it's amusing when somebody gets it wrong.  As somebody who once
> accidentally reply-alled criticism of my supervisor to my entire department
> at university, I'm not sure that it always is amusing, and so I'm in favour
> of changing the behaviour.
>
> On 4 February 2015 at 15:26, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Accidental replies are the spice of life.
>>
>> The only downside of the reply-to header is the fact that people randomly
>> complain about it every other year or two, resulting in 20 arguments in
>> favour, 20 arguments against, then a discussion about how voting for or
>> against it might be a good idea, and in the majority of cases most people
>> going "meh, can't be bothered", and a minority deciding that voting is a
>> good idea, and then sometimes they remove it but most often they don't.
>>
>> On the upside, they poke a bit of life into things, resulting in the
>> original poster going "oh, why did I bother? They're just talking about
>> reply-to rather than our fussball table!"
>>
>> :-D
>>
>>
>> Michael.
>>
>> On 4 February 2015 at 14:16, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm one of the list admins.  There are a couple of others.  Happy to
>>> make a change if a significant majority feel that way.
>>>
>>> However, sometimes accidental replies are the only thing keeping the
>>> list alive ;-)
>>>
>>> On 4 February 2015 at 14:12, Sven Marnach  wrote:
>>> > Maybe we could just get rid of the pointless "Reply-To" header?  It
>>> can be
>>> > disabled by a list admin on the Mailman admin page.
>>> >
>>> > I get the impression that at least one person per month falls victim
>>> to it.
>>> > The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead
>>> of the
>>> > whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private
>>> emails to
>>> > everyone.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Sven
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Peter Inglesby]

It seems like several of the arguments for keeping the current behaviour
are that it's amusing when somebody gets it wrong.  As somebody who once
accidentally reply-alled criticism of my supervisor to my entire department
at university, I'm not sure that it always is amusing, and so I'm in favour
of changing the behaviour.

On 4 February 2015 at 15:26, Michael  wrote:

> Accidental replies are the spice of life.
>
> The only downside of the reply-to header is the fact that people randomly
> complain about it every other year or two, resulting in 20 arguments in
> favour, 20 arguments against, then a discussion about how voting for or
> against it might be a good idea, and in the majority of cases most people
> going "meh, can't be bothered", and a minority deciding that voting is a
> good idea, and then sometimes they remove it but most often they don't.
>
> On the upside, they poke a bit of life into things, resulting in the
> original poster going "oh, why did I bother? They're just talking about
> reply-to rather than our fussball table!"
>
> :-D
>
>
> Michael.
>
> On 4 February 2015 at 14:16, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>
>> I'm one of the list admins.  There are a couple of others.  Happy to
>> make a change if a significant majority feel that way.
>>
>> However, sometimes accidental replies are the only thing keeping the
>> list alive ;-)
>>
>> On 4 February 2015 at 14:12, Sven Marnach  wrote:
>> > Maybe we could just get rid of the pointless "Reply-To" header?  It can
>> be
>> > disabled by a list admin on the Mailman admin page.
>> >
>> > I get the impression that at least one person per month falls victim to
>> it.
>> > The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead
>> of the
>> > whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private
>> emails to
>> > everyone.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Sven
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Michael]

Accidental replies are the spice of life.

The only downside of the reply-to header is the fact that people randomly
complain about it every other year or two, resulting in 20 arguments in
favour, 20 arguments against, then a discussion about how voting for or
against it might be a good idea, and in the majority of cases most people
going "meh, can't be bothered", and a minority deciding that voting is a
good idea, and then sometimes they remove it but most often they don't.

On the upside, they poke a bit of life into things, resulting in the
original poster going "oh, why did I bother? They're just talking about
reply-to rather than our fussball table!"

:-D


Michael.

On 4 February 2015 at 14:16, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> I'm one of the list admins.  There are a couple of others.  Happy to
> make a change if a significant majority feel that way.
>
> However, sometimes accidental replies are the only thing keeping the
> list alive ;-)
>
> On 4 February 2015 at 14:12, Sven Marnach  wrote:
> > Maybe we could just get rid of the pointless "Reply-To" header?  It can
> be
> > disabled by a list admin on the Mailman admin page.
> >
> > I get the impression that at least one person per month falls victim to
> it.
> > The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead of
> the
> > whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private emails
> to
> > everyone.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sven
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Doug Winter]

On 04/02/15 14:16, Andy Robinson wrote:
> I'm one of the list admins.  There are a couple of others.  Happy to
> make a change if a significant majority feel that way.
> 
> However, sometimes accidental replies are the only thing keeping the
> list alive ;-)

If everyone has a client that supports a separate "Reply List" function
(like mutt and now, finally, Thunderbird) then losing the Reply-To works
pretty well.

Otherwise every solution is equally confusing to someone, and at least
this one provides some amusement :)

Cheers,

Doug.


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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Marcin Tustin]

I'm generally persuaded by the arguments against reply-to.

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:30 PM, xtian  wrote:

> I'm pro dropping the reply-to header, it's always awkward when someone
> gets bitten by it. People are much more familiar with the difference
> between reply and reply all now than they were when the reply-to header
> solution was devised.
>
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:22 Richard Barran 
> wrote:
>
>> More sensible, but a lot less fun for us in the popcorn gallery!
>>
>> > The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead
>> of the whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private
>> emails to everyone.​
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[xtian]

I'm pro dropping the reply-to header, it's always awkward when someone gets
bitten by it. People are much more familiar with the difference between
reply and reply all now than they were when the reply-to header solution
was devised.

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:22 Richard Barran  wrote:

> More sensible, but a lot less fun for us in the popcorn gallery!
>
> > The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead of
> the whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private
> emails to everyone.​
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Alistair Broomhead]

These emails all get filtered into a folder for me, it's not hard to do and
it makes it easy to ignore them. If anything I'd prefer more activity on
here, not less.

My 2p worth ;)

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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Richard Barran]

More sensible, but a lot less fun for us in the popcorn gallery!

> The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead of the 
> whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private emails to 
> everyone.​

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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Jonathan Lange]

I seem to recall a debate about this a little while ago. I'm in favour of
dropping the munging. Obligatory link to
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 2:17:22 PM Andy Robinson  wrote:

> I'm one of the list admins.  There are a couple of others.  Happy to
> make a change if a significant majority feel that way.
>
> However, sometimes accidental replies are the only thing keeping the
> list alive ;-)
>
> On 4 February 2015 at 14:12, Sven Marnach  wrote:
> > Maybe we could just get rid of the pointless "Reply-To" header?  It can
> be
> > disabled by a list admin on the Mailman admin page.
> >
> > I get the impression that at least one person per month falls victim to
> it.
> > The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead of
> the
> > whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private emails
> to
> > everyone.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sven
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[chris . dent]

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015, Andy Robinson wrote:


I'm one of the list admins.  There are a couple of others.  Happy to
make a change if a significant majority feel that way.


I'm -1 on removing the reply-to. Any group mailing list that
actually wants to be a discussion should default to using it.


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[Andy Robinson]

I'm one of the list admins.  There are a couple of others.  Happy to
make a change if a significant majority feel that way.

However, sometimes accidental replies are the only thing keeping the
list alive ;-)

On 4 February 2015 at 14:12, Sven Marnach  wrote:
> Maybe we could just get rid of the pointless "Reply-To" header?  It can be
> disabled by a list admin on the Mailman admin page.
>
> I get the impression that at least one person per month falls victim to it.
> The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead of the
> whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private emails to
> everyone.
>
> Cheers,
> Sven
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[Sven Marnach]

Maybe we could just get rid of the pointless "Reply-To" header?  It can be
disabled by a list admin on the Mailman admin page.

I get the impression that at least one person per month falls victim to
it.  The reverse, people accidentally answering just to the sender instead
of the whole list, seems better than people accidentally sending private
emails to everyone.​

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[Steve Holden]

Spammers gonna spam ;-)  Guess we've all done it. S

On Feb 4, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Thomas Hunger  wrote:

> Well now, that's a slightly larger audience than I had in mind.
> 
> How embarrassing .. I apologise for the spam!
> 
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[Thomas Hunger]

Well now, that's a slightly larger audience than I had in mind.

How embarrassing .. I apologise for the spam!

On 4 February 2015 at 13:11, Thomas Hunger  wrote:

> Hi Niamh,
>
> I saw a Skimlinks talk a while back at a London data meetup which was
> super interesting!
>
> In any case: if you are ever looking for an agency to do coding, we just
> started one [1]. I worked for Google as an SWE/SRE for several years and
> the others have a great technical background as well. If you just want to
> meet for a coffee with no expectations some time, that'd be fun to!
>
> All the best,
> Tom
>
> [1]
> https://wearewizards.io/
>
> On 4 February 2015 at 12:15, Niamh O'Reilly  wrote:
>
>> Hi Python UK
>>
>> Skimlinks, a leading UK tech startup, is currently hiring for Senior
>> Python Developers to join our team in London.
>>
>> We develop applications and APIs to allow the online publishing community
>> to monetize their content. We are considered leaders in this space and
>> currently work with approx. 40,000 publishers (Conde Nast, Gawker, Hearst
>> Magazines) and over 18,000 e-commerce sites (eBay, Amazon, Net-a-Porter).
>> Our engineering department is headquartered in London. We have a small,
>> dynamic, language agnostic team that drive over 20 billion API requests a
>> month across 1.5 million active websites.
>> We are language agnostic and program in with a broad range of languages
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>> We have weekly dedicated Training & Innovation time set aside for all
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>> We host numerous MeetUps on a monthly basis and ensure our team members
>> get opportunity to attend industry conferences.
>> We are currently looking for experienced Senior Python Developers to join
>> our team in London.
>> Apply or find out more at http://skimlinks.com/company/careers or email
>> j...@skimlinks.com
>>
>>
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>> Niamh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Thomas Hunger]

Hi Niamh,

I saw a Skimlinks talk a while back at a London data meetup which was super
interesting!

In any case: if you are ever looking for an agency to do coding, we just
started one [1]. I worked for Google as an SWE/SRE for several years and
the others have a great technical background as well. If you just want to
meet for a coffee with no expectations some time, that'd be fun to!

All the best,
Tom

[1]
https://wearewizards.io/

On 4 February 2015 at 12:15, Niamh O'Reilly  wrote:

> Hi Python UK
>
> Skimlinks, a leading UK tech startup, is currently hiring for Senior
> Python Developers to join our team in London.
>
> We develop applications and APIs to allow the online publishing community
> to monetize their content. We are considered leaders in this space and
> currently work with approx. 40,000 publishers (Conde Nast, Gawker, Hearst
> Magazines) and over 18,000 e-commerce sites (eBay, Amazon, Net-a-Porter).
> Our engineering department is headquartered in London. We have a small,
> dynamic, language agnostic team that drive over 20 billion API requests a
> month across 1.5 million active websites.
> We are language agnostic and program in with a broad range of languages
> like Python, Ruby, Go, Haskell, Javascript... Right now we are doing some
> really interesting work with Clojure.
> We have weekly dedicated Training & Innovation time set aside for all team
> members to pursue learning in new languages, technologies etc.
> We host numerous MeetUps on a monthly basis and ensure our team members
> get opportunity to attend industry conferences.
> We are currently looking for experienced Senior Python Developers to join
> our team in London.
> Apply or find out more at http://skimlinks.com/company/careers or email
> j...@skimlinks.com
>
>
> Best regards
> Niamh
>
>
>
>
>
> *Niamh O'Reilly | **Recruiter | **Skimlinks Inc*
>
> *(UK) +44 (0)20 3397 1240*
>
> *ni...@skimlinks.com  | *@SkimlinksLife
> |* LinkedIn
> *
>
> *Skimlinks are hiring!* Check out our open roles *here
> .*
>
> *UK Office | *52 Bevenden Street *|* 2nd floor *|* London *|* N1 6BL
> *US Office* *| *235 Pine Street *|* Suite 1050 *|* San Francisco *|* CA
> 94104
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[python-uk] Job Ad: Senior Python Engineers -Skimlinks - London

[Niamh O'Reilly]

Hi Python UK

Skimlinks, a leading UK tech startup, is currently hiring for Senior Python
Developers to join our team in London.

We develop applications and APIs to allow the online publishing community
to monetize their content. We are considered leaders in this space and
currently work with approx. 40,000 publishers (Conde Nast, Gawker, Hearst
Magazines) and over 18,000 e-commerce sites (eBay, Amazon, Net-a-Porter).
Our engineering department is headquartered in London. We have a small,
dynamic, language agnostic team that drive over 20 billion API requests a
month across 1.5 million active websites.
We are language agnostic and program in with a broad range of languages
like Python, Ruby, Go, Haskell, Javascript... Right now we are doing some
really interesting work with Clojure.
We have weekly dedicated Training & Innovation time set aside for all team
members to pursue learning in new languages, technologies etc.
We host numerous MeetUps on a monthly basis and ensure our team members get
opportunity to attend industry conferences.
We are currently looking for experienced Senior Python Developers to join
our team in London.
Apply or find out more at http://skimlinks.com/company/careers or email
j...@skimlinks.com


Best regards
Niamh





*Niamh O'Reilly | **Recruiter | **Skimlinks Inc*

*(UK) +44 (0)20 3397 1240*

*ni...@skimlinks.com  | *@SkimlinksLife
|* LinkedIn
*

*Skimlinks are hiring!* Check out our open roles *here
.*

*UK Office | *52 Bevenden Street *|* 2nd floor *|* London *|* N1 6BL
*US Office* *| *235 Pine Street *|* Suite 1050 *|* San Francisco *|* CA
94104
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