Re: [python-win32] Possible future direction for PyGUI on Win32
On 1 March 2011 07:44, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz Octavian Rasnita wrote: From: Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz No, if I go this way, I would probably stop maintaining the current implementation. Oh, in that case imho I think this is a very bad idea. Can you elaborate on exactly what is bad about it, and suggest an alternative? Windows Forms - based apps have a few disadvantages: - First, the most important, and with no solution is that Win32 GUI widgets are much fast responsive than Windows Forms, I've written (quite large) desktop Windows Forms applications with .NET and just not found this to be the case - even when written with IronPython which isn't the fastest .NET language there is. and it is annoying to use Windows Forms - based apps with the keyboard; This need not be the case. You just need to set tab order and provide shortcuts. - Second, it is harder to create executables that include the support for DotNet, because it is not sure that DotNet is available. .NET is pretty ubiquitous these days - see other emails on the topic. The package should be either very big and include DotNet, Definitely not. or it should detect if it is not present and offer the possibility of downloading it from the web, but some computers are not connected to the internet...; Installers can detect this and provide a link. - Windows Forms offer very many accessibility features for screen readers, however this GUI is *always* less accessible than the standard Win32 widgets for those who need to use a screen reader. Evidence for this? - I think there are solutions for making Windows Forms - based apps already, and they can be used if somebody prefers to use this GUI, so it wouldn't be a good idea to dupplicate it and offer the same interface. The point is for writing *cross platform* applications that just happen to use Windows Forms on Windows. All the best, Michael Foord The standard Windows GUI API is severely crippled compared to what is available natively in Cocoa and Gtk. The only alternatives I see at the moment are: * Allow Windows to hold back the development of PyGUI on all the other platforms. * Implement the missing functionality on Windows in pure Python -- a lot of work, and probably not practical for something complex such as a rich text or HTML widget. * Rely on a third party library to supply the missing functionality on Windows. -- Greg I don't know which of these ways would be the most simple to implement, but it is true that it will be more difficult, because I've seen how these problems were solved in other GUIs like wxWIDGETS and SWT. wxWIDGETS offers custom widgets for those which are not offered by the standard Win32 API, but most of them are badly made with no corresponding accessibility features, and if those widgets are used in an application, they could steal the focus or make other problems that make the whole application not accessible for those who use a screen reader. So a better solution than the one offered by wxWIDGETS would mean much more work. In SWT, as far as I know, those widgets which are not offered by the Win32 API are not offered at all, but I am not sure, so others who may know more can comment. But if this is true, this is not an extraordinary solution either. However, I don't know if the focus should be to offer all the possible widget types under all platforms, because now there are more and more platforms considered, like different kind of PDAs and mobile phones, and it would probably be very hard or impossible to offer a GUI that can do everything everywhere. Octavian ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Possible future direction for PyGUI on Win32
On 28 February 2011 05:01, Vernon Cole vernondc...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm... projects get abandoned for many reasons. Michael: In your professional opinion would it be worthwhile to clone/fork/resurrect the pythonnet project, or is it a bad idea better left dead? Python.NET is a great project. Michael -- Vernon On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 February 2011 20:31, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nzwrote: Until recently I didn't think it was possible to use .NET libraries from CPython, but then I came across this: http://pythonnet.sourceforge.net/ Using this, it looks like it should be possible to create a PyGUI implementation based on Windows Forms. This has the potential to solve a number of headaches, as it appears to be a considerably more capable library than base win32. The downside is that 2k and XP users may need to install a .NET runtime. How would people feel about that? Python.NET is currently not maintained. Michael Foord -- Greg ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Possible future direction for PyGUI on Win32
On 26 February 2011 20:31, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote: Until recently I didn't think it was possible to use .NET libraries from CPython, but then I came across this: http://pythonnet.sourceforge.net/ Using this, it looks like it should be possible to create a PyGUI implementation based on Windows Forms. This has the potential to solve a number of headaches, as it appears to be a considerably more capable library than base win32. The downside is that 2k and XP users may need to install a .NET runtime. How would people feel about that? Python.NET is currently not maintained. Michael Foord -- Greg ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] EuroPython 2010 - Open for registration and reminder of participation
EuroPython 2010 - 17th to 24th July 2010 EuroPython is a conference for the Python programming language community, including the Django, Zope and Plone communities. It is aimed at everyone in the Python community, of all skill levels, both users and programmers. Last year's conference was the largest open source conference in the UK and one of the largest community organised software conferences in Europe. This year EuroPython will be held from the 17th to 24th July in Birmingham, UK. It will include over 100 talks, tutorials, sprints and social events. Registration Registration is open now at: http://www.europython.eu/registration/ For the best registration rates, book as soon as you can! Extra Early Bird closes soon, after which normal Early Bird rate will apply until 10th May Talks, Activities and Events Do you have something you wish to present at EuroPython? You want to give a talk, run a tutorial or sprint? Go to http://www.europython.eu/talks/cfp/ for information and advice! Go to http://wiki.europython.eu/Sprints to plan a sprint! Help Us Out --- EuroPython is run by volunteers, like you! We could use a hand, and any contribution is welcome. Go to http://wiki.europython.eu/Helping to join us! Go to http://www.europython.eu/contact/ to contact us directly! Sponsors Sponsoring EuroPython is a unique opportunity to affiliate with this prestigious conference and to reach a large number of Python users from computing professionals to academics, from entrepreneurs to motivated and well-educated job seekers. http://www.europython.eu/sponsors/ Spread the Word --- We are a community-run not-for-profit conference. Please help to spread the word by distributing this announcement to colleagues, project mailing lists, friends, your blog, Web site, and through your social networking connections. Take a look at our publicity resources: http://wiki.europython.eu/Publicity General Information --- For more information about the conference, please visit the official site: http://www.europython.eu/ Looking forward to see you! The EuroPython Team -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Distutils changes broke pywin32 build
Distutils is undergoing heavy changes in the hands of Tarek Ziade. One of the changes is drastically improving the test coverage. I would definitely discuss the problem with him (directly or on distutils-sig) as he will want to know about it - either to explain why the change is necessary and help you modify the pywin32 setup.py or to revert the change. Michael Foord 2009/5/19 Tim Golden m...@timgolden.me.uk Something in the changes to build_ext.py in r72585 has broken the setup.py build for pywin32: http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/distutils/command/build_ext.py?r1=72531r2=72585pathrev=72585 The symptom is that pywintypes.lib is created in the build directory, but distutils is then looking to copy pywintypes27.lib (note the version suffix): error: can't copy 'build\temp.win32-2.7\Release\win32\src\pywintypes27.lib': doesn't exist or not a regular file The error is also present in the release26-maint branch. I've just started to try to work out where exactly the problem lies and whether it's an ill-tested distutils change or a false assumption in the pywin32 setup.py. Or something else. Since distutils is a notorious maze of twisty modules, all alike, and since the pywin32 setup.py is hardly a model of simplicity, if anyone has immediate insights I'd be glad to hear them. Thanks TJG ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] IronPython in Action Out!
Hello all, *Finally* IronPython in Action is out. This is the first English language book on IronPython and is now in stock with Manning and Amazon.com and on the Safari bookshelf. You can get all the details from: * http://www.ironpythoninaction.com It covers a whole range of topics, with introductions to Python and .NET, using various Python libraries and .NET framework classes, web development with ASP.NET, Silverlight and web services, plus topics like WPF, testing, metaprogramming, system administration, embedding IronPython in .NET applications and so on. The foreword is by Jim Hugunin and Dino Viehland is the technical editor. Many thanks to all those who helped, including those who gave feedback during the early access program. All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] IronPython at PyCon 2009
(Slightly off-topic, sorry.) The talk schedule has gone up for for PyCon 2009 in Chicago. There are three talks on IronPython, plus a tutorial on the Wednesday before the conference. The conference dates are: * March 25-26th Tutorial Days * March 27-29th Conference * March 30th - April 2nd Development Sprints Jim Hugunin is one of the invited speakers, so his talk doesn't yet appear on the schedule - but his usual talk is IronPython the Road Ahead. I've blogged about all the talks, plus the tutorial that Jonathan Hartley and I will be giving, on IronPython URLs. http://ironpython-urls.blogspot.com/2009/01/ironpython-at-pycon-2009.html All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] IronPython Tutorial at PyCon UK
Hello all, September 12-14th at the Birmingham Conservatoire is the 2nd UK Python Conference, organised by the UK Python community. This year the conference starts with a tutorial day, and Christian Muirhead [#]_, Menno Smits and I will be running a half day IronPython tutorial. The tutorial day is only £30, so if you're interested in learning about IronPython it is an ideal opportunity. Tutorials: http://www.pyconuk.org/timetable.html Currently accepted talks: http://www.pyconuk.org/talk_abstracts.html Booking: http://www.pyconuk.org/booking.html Details on a summary of the accepted talks and tutorials on my blog. http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2008_07_26.shtml#e996 Thanks Michael Foord .. [#] Christian and I are the authors of the nearly published IronPython in Action with Manning Publications. -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ http://www.trypython.org/ http://www.ironpython.info/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Running Python + pywin32 portably
Paul Moore wrote: On 04/07/2008, Michael Foord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movable Python comes with the Pywin32 extensions. http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/movpy/ Thanks. Does that mean that out of the box pywin32 works portably, or were changes needed for Movable Python? (I don't want to use Movable Python itself, for reasons that aren't really relevant here). Paul. I can't remember the precise hacks I needed to make. I think that was more to do with getting it to work with py2exe rather than anything to do with being portable. It is certainly worth *trying* portably and seeing what problems you encounter - I *Suspect* they will be minimal. Michael Foord -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ http://www.trypython.org/ http://www.ironpython.info/ http://www.resolverhacks.net/ http://www.theotherdelia.co.uk/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Request for comments - the spaces issue
Dahlstrom, Roger wrote: Ha - you'd hate my code then. I like a lot of spaces, makes it easier for me to keep the blocks seperated. I'm afraid that I abhor them. :-) Michael Foord http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Golden Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 4:28 AM Cc: Python-Win32 List Subject: Re: [python-win32] Request for comments - the spaces issue [bob gailer] Please omit the space before ( in code. I find that very distracting. Example: print result.Properties_ (sValue).Value # current print result.Properties_(sValue).Value # preferred, and how most code I've seen looks. [Tim Roberts] Do you understand that this is strictly a personal preference? Some people like it, some people don't. You are certainly allowed to prefer one over the other, but it's a bit much to ask someone else to change their coding style to match yours, unless you are a paying client. ;) [Roger Dahlstrom] I'd add to that that I prefer the space, and I only use notepad++ for coding. Everything worked fine for me. On balance I'm inclined to stick to my spaces-before style, not least because I've been coding that way for well over 20 years and it's not that easy to change, even if I felt well-disposed. (Which I don't :) ) Apologies to Bob anyone else who finds this style irksome. As you might imagine, I find the opposite style cluttered and hard to read. Likewise I imagine there are many who find my two-spaces indent style cluttered while I find even four and certainly any more to be grotesquely elongated. TJG ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 DISCLAIMER: This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail and any printout thereof. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. NOTICE REGARDING PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIALITY Direct Edge ECN LLC may, at its discretion, monitor and review the content of all e-mail communications. www.directedge.com ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Request for comments - the spaces issue
bob gailer wrote: Tim Golden wrote: [snip] Likewise I imagine there are many who find my two-spaces indent style cluttered while I find even four and certainly any more to be grotesquely elongated. I also prefer the 2 space indent! I also realize that when I wrote my previous reply I was not conscious that I was replying to the original post. So I referred to you as Tim. Sorry for that. Four spaces is useful so that anything more than a few levels indentation really *is* too elongated - it is a good sign that you need to refactor your code. :-) Dropping to two space indent isn't a good way of solving the problem. ;-) FWIW Guido remarked a while ago that all of google's Python code is two space indented. Michael Foord http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Request for comments
Hello Tim, That looks really good! Michael Tim Golden wrote: I have a request of the python-win32 community. Have a look at: http://timgolden.me.uk/python-on-windows/ In particular, click through to the section on the Registry (which is the only section which has anything useful in it!) and then tell me what you think. About anything. The contents, the style, the colours, the colors, the depth of examples, the notes. What should be there? What shouldn't? How much overlap there should be with other sources of documentation? How much should just be links across? Should I reproduce the pywin32 docs verbatim. (Difficult: I've got a branch which is trying. Very trying). Anything. Points to bear in mind: * This is very alpha * I'm using Sphinx but I've done very little with its capabilities * The examples I've put together work: you can drop them straight onto an interpreter window and run them. But is that a desirable goal. * My intention is that this be a community effort. (The source is actually hosted at Google Code). * This URL (probably) won't be its final resting place. In particular, it will be very clear as you read that I'm 100% sure where I'm going with it yet. But at the very least I want lots of examples which, even in passing, semi-document the kind of stuff which people ask about on python-win32 and python-list. Enough babble from me. Have a look. TJG ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Request for comments
Hello Tim, I posted the link on Twitter, and got a response back asking if there would be documentation on deployment - py2exe, PyInstaller etc. Whilst I doubt you can be expected to be a fount of *all* knowledge, perhaps links or summaries of these topics could be good. Michael Foord http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ Tim Golden wrote: I have a request of the python-win32 community. Have a look at: http://timgolden.me.uk/python-on-windows/ In particular, click through to the section on the Registry (which is the only section which has anything useful in it!) and then tell me what you think. About anything. The contents, the style, the colours, the colors, the depth of examples, the notes. What should be there? What shouldn't? How much overlap there should be with other sources of documentation? How much should just be links across? Should I reproduce the pywin32 docs verbatim. (Difficult: I've got a branch which is trying. Very trying). Anything. Points to bear in mind: * This is very alpha * I'm using Sphinx but I've done very little with its capabilities * The examples I've put together work: you can drop them straight onto an interpreter window and run them. But is that a desirable goal. * My intention is that this be a community effort. (The source is actually hosted at Google Code). * This URL (probably) won't be its final resting place. In particular, it will be very clear as you read that I'm 100% sure where I'm going with it yet. But at the very least I want lots of examples which, even in passing, semi-document the kind of stuff which people ask about on python-win32 and python-list. Enough babble from me. Have a look. TJG ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] Access Denied Errors with IronPython and WMI
Hello guys, I'm writing some examples of using IronPython and WMI to connect to computers on the local network. I'm getting some 'access denied' errors and wondered if there was anyone on this list who might be able to help me. If there is then I will post details. All the best, Michael Foord http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Access Denied Errors with IronPython and WMI
Roger Upole wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Hello guys, I'm writing some examples of using IronPython and WMI to connect to computers on the local network. I'm getting some 'access denied' errors and wondered if there was anyone on this list who might be able to help me. If there is then I will post details. All the best, Michael Foord If the target machine has remote administration disabled, you may get an Access denied. Also, there may be custom permissions set on the WMI namespace. Do you get the error when trying to connect, or when calling a particular method ? Thanks for replying Roger - I'm now away from the office with no access to the network. I've had a couple of pointers to investigate the permissions on the target machine. I'll try this on Monday and see how far I get. Michael Roger ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Iron Python and Visual Basic 2005 (or 2008) Express
Dick Moores wrote: Years ago I learned a bit of Visual Basic (VB6, IIRC) at a community college. About a year ago I downloaded the free Visual Basic 2005 Express (http://www.microsoft.com/express/vb/Default.aspx), but didn't do much with it. But I was wondering if it was possible to write Python code in Iron Python and use it somehow in Visual Basic 2005 (or 2008) Express. VB seemed a very easy way to create a GUI, but of course I prefer Python for the code. So, possible/impossible/impractical/foolish/Pythonically_traitorous? Your question as phrased doesn't actually mean a great deal. :-) Do you want to code with Python or with VB? (They are different languages and you can't just mix them in the same source files - well you can actually but not in the way you mean I think...) This sort of question would be much better directed to the IronPython mailing list by the way: http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com Do you actually mean can you use IronPython with Visual Studio Express? If so, the answer is not really. But you can use IronPython to create any sort of application that you can with VB. A good place to start is with the Early Access program for IronPython in Action: http://www.manning.com/foord Michael Thanks, Dick Moores ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Is Mark Hammond going to produce a new Python Programming on Win32 book?
Tim Roberts wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Tim Roberts wrote: Well, there's an interesting issue here. Much of the new stuff you have mentioned has nothing to do with the Python that we know and love. .NET and winforms (which is part of .NET) requires managed code, and that means IronPython. IronPython is NOT the same as Python; although the language is the same, the library and the idiomatic usage are so very different that it's difficult for one person to be competent in both. Hmmm... that hasn't been my experience. Programming IronPython with idiomatic Python works very well. Perhaps the issue is more than I'm not comfortable with idiomatic .NET. I did take a semi-serious stab at working with WPF in IronPython, but it just wasn't comfortable. I am very pleased to see that an IronPython book is in the works. Because I think WPF is one of the most exciting things to come out of Microsoft in a very long time, I will be among the first in line. Ok. Personally I have found that I can still *basically* use idiomatic Python when working with .NET classes. The exception is when optimizing as the performance profiles of IronPython vs CPython are very different. advertThe IronPython Book is already available in early access preview form and the WPF chapter will appear in the preview in the next couple of weeks or so - http://www.manning.com/foord /advert Michael ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Is Mark Hammond going to produce a new Python Programming on Win32 book?
Tim Roberts wrote: happybrowndog wrote: I've had Mark's Python Programming on Win32 book for 6 years now, and it's been a constant source of information and a joy to read and possess. Windows has added a lot since the book hit the shelves, with the maturation of .Net, winforms and other application technologies, and a new OS. There's still the old way of doing things with COM, etc. The Ctypes package has also fleshed out to be very useful on Windows. Then there's IronPython, and Python for .Net. Well, there's an interesting issue here. Much of the new stuff you have mentioned has nothing to do with the Python that we know and love. .NET and winforms (which is part of .NET) requires managed code, and that means IronPython. IronPython is NOT the same as Python; although the language is the same, the library and the idiomatic usage are so very different that it's difficult for one person to be competent in both. Hmmm... that hasn't been my experience. Programming IronPython with idiomatic Python works very well. Michael http://www.manning.com/foord Indeed, for things that are not .NET, Mark's book is still pretty much current. Perhaps we'll get a book on IronPython to make it a little more approachable for us CPython users. ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] How to get the dynamic parts of the url, with python ?
Tova Sirkis wrote: urllib2.urlopen(url) only returns the static part of the url. Is it possible, with python, to get the dynamic parts of the url, too? (for example ads) If yes, how? It is possible - although can be difficult as ads are usually fetched with Javascript. You can certainly get the javascript though. I'll give you a clue - how do you think the browser does it when you only type the main URL into the address bar... Michael Foord http://www.manning.com/foord Thanks Tova Sirkis ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] [python] Re: python on visual studio 2008
Marcos Pinto wrote: thanks, but those are also built with 7.1 and not 2005 or 2008 In the Python source (for 2.5) there should be a VS 2005 project. Have you tried updating this for VS 2008? (PCBuild8 folder I believe) Subversion head should be buildable with VS 2008 which will be the default for Windows. (PCBuild9 folder I believe) Michael Foord http://www.manning.com/foord On Jan 4, 2008 3:59 PM, Reedick, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.activestate.com has pre-built windows binaries for Python. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcos Pinto Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:39 PM To: python-win32@python.org Subject: [python-win32] python on visual studio 2008 does anyone know of a third-party which unofficially provides python built with visual studio 2008, instead of the official 2003? i've tried to build python myself, but failed, so i was wondering if anyone already provides it? thanks ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] sys.stdout.closed missing with win32trace
TK Soh wrote: It looks like the closed attribute for sys.stderr and sys.stdout are missing when win32trace is in effect. Any way to work around this? I have no idea about win32traceutil, but the sys module provides sys.__stdout__ and sys.__stderr__ so that even when modules replace the streams with custom objects you can still access the originals. This may or may not be helpful... Michael Foord http://www.manning.com/foord python script: -- import win32traceutil import sys if not sys.stdout.closed: print stdout is opened -- Trace collector output: -- Traceback (most recent call last): File try.py, line 3, in module if not sys.stdout.closed: AttributeError: 'PyTraceObject' object has no attribute 'closed' ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] [python] Re: Writing .NET component in Python
Sidnei da Silva wrote: Here's the information that I've found: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms973800.aspx So basically you use tlbimp to create a 'Runtime Callable Wrapper' which is a trusted .NET assembly that can call your COM object. IronPython would certainly be a great way to test consuming your COM object from the .NET side. Michael http://www.ironpython.info/ ___ python-win32 mailing list python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] Python Magazine - pywin32
Hello all, There is a new Python magazine just launching: http://www.pythonmagazine.com They are looking for articles that will appeal to Windows users, so if anyone fancies getting paid to write an article on pywin32 I'm sure they will be interested. Michael Foord http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ironpython/index.shtml ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] SilverLight, a substitute for Python-Active-Scripting in IE?
Michel Claveau wrote: Hi! SilverLight (MS flash killer), is a plug-in for InternetExplorer (Win), FireFox (Win), and Safari (Mac). SilverLight is scriptable with Python ( Jscript, and, soon, with Ruby) The release 1.1-Alpha come with JScript Python (or ironPython?) See : http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/default.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/why-compelling.aspx http://silverlight.net/Default.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/install.aspx But, I don't had try SilverLight... Who had try it? I'm trying to try it now. :-) Not easy to get it to work... Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ironpython/index.shtml @-salutations ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] C# Vs Python
James Matthews wrote: I am not asking for a very detailed comparison that i know no one will give i am just wondering for windows development which language would be better? What i mean is GUI apps, interfacing with excel,word and outlook etc.. You can have the best of both worlds with IronPython. Python is syntactically and semantically more concise than C#, with language features like higher order functions, list comprehensions, standard polymorphic containers and much more. IronPython allows you to use .NET classes - and the interface with C# is basically seamless (except for .NET attributes). At Resolver we have a 20 000 line IronPython application (plus around 75 000 lines of test code) which has just gone to our first customer. I highly recommend it - particularly if you have .NET experience. Where CPython beats IronPython is cross-platform capabilities. On the other hand, Windows Forms (.NET) is better than any GUI toolkit I've seen. Michael Foord http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ironpython/index.shtml Thanks James -- http://www.goldwatches.com/watches.asp?Brand=39 http://www.wazoozle.com ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] Pythonwin Problems
Hello all, There are various problems with Pythonwin under Movable Python. The latest that I have discovered is that Pythonwin fails to bring up the find dialog the *second* time you use it. It fails with the following traceback : Traceback (most recent call last): File \movpy\lib\pythonwin\pywin\scintilla\view.py, line 349, in OnCmdEditFind find.ShowFindDialog() File \movpy\lib\pythonwin\pywin\scintilla\find.py, line 36, in ShowFindDialog _ShowDialog(FindDialog) File \movpy\lib\pythonwin\pywin\scintilla\find.py, line 53, in _ShowDialog curDialog.CreateWindow() win32ui: CreateIndirect failed win32ui: Error in Command Message handler for command ID 57636, Code 0 Anyone got any clues as to what may be causing this ? There are a couple of other dialog related failures as well, but I've found workarounds for these (so far). Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/index2.shtml -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.21/589 - Release Date: 15/12/2006 ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] Python for System Administration
Hello all, Sorry for the intrusion. I'm working on a book proposal about IronPython, with Manning. One of the chapters will be about Windows System Administration with Python, and will probably include some sections about Powershell. It will show how to use the Powershell libraries from IronPython and writing Powershell cmdlets with IronPython. I'd like to also include some sections about 'general' system administration tasks (on windows computers and networks) that can be achieved with Python. I'd very much like to hear from anyone who uses Python for sys-admin tasks. I'd like to know the sort of tasks you use Python for, and if possible see some examples that I can translate into IronPython code. Feel free to reply on list or privately email me. Thank you for your indulgence. ;-) Michael http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 11/12/2006 ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Python for System Administration
Simon Dahlbacka wrote: Unsurprisingly perhaps, a lot of my recommendations involve WMI. Now I've no idea if WMI is still a concept under .NET or how it's invoked if it is. At present, you use the pywin32 GetObject method to invoke it. Is that still possible under IronPython? Or is there some -- possibly built-in -- equivalent? I've not used WMI before (although I've browsed your work before and *nearly* used it a few times). I assume they are in unmanaged code ? ..isn't the stuff in System.Management for WMI things, and thus probably the way to look into when wanting to use IronPython ? http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/02/05/WMIMan/ Looks like it. Thanks. I should be able to create/translate some good examples from here. Fuzzy regards, Simon No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 11/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 11/12/2006 ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] Building from Source
Hello all,
I have just tried to build the Pywin32 extensions from source - using
the pywin32-210.zip archive.
I have Visual Studio 2005 installed and have built Pywin32 from source
before. I'm using Python 2.4 under Windows XP.
The build fails as follows, can anyone suggest a reason ?
C:\Python Binaries\pywin32-210setup.py bdist_wininst
Building pywin32 2.4.210.0
running bdist_wininst
running build
running build_py
creating build
creating build\lib.win32-2.4
creating build\lib.win32-2.4\win32
creating build\lib.win32-2.4\win32\lib
copying win32\lib\afxres.py - build\lib.win32-2.4\win32\lib
[snip ..]
copying isapi\simple.py - build\lib.win32-2.4\isapi
copying isapi\threaded_extension.py - build\lib.win32-2.4\isapi
copying isapi\__init__.py - build\lib.win32-2.4\isapi
running build_ext
Warning - can't find an installed platform SDK
Traceback (most recent call last):
File C:\Python Binaries\pywin32-210\setup.py, line 1496, in ?
data_files=[('',
(os.path.join(os.environ['temp'],'pywin32.version.txt'),))
+
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\core.py, line 149, in setup
dist.run_commands()
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\dist.py, line 946, in run_commands
self.run_command(cmd)
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\dist.py, line 966, in run_command
cmd_obj.run()
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\command\bdist_wininst.py, line 107,
in run
self.run_command('build')
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\cmd.py, line 333, in run_command
self.distribution.run_command(command)
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\dist.py, line 966, in run_command
cmd_obj.run()
File C:\Python Binaries\pywin32-210\setup.py, line 359, in run
build.run(self)
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\command\build.py, line 112, in run
self.run_command(cmd_name)
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\cmd.py, line 333, in run_command
self.distribution.run_command(command)
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\dist.py, line 966, in run_command
cmd_obj.run()
File C:\Python24\lib\distutils\command\build_ext.py, line 279, in run
self.build_extensions()
File C:\Python Binaries\pywin32-210\setup.py, line 490, in
build_extensions
self.build_extension(ext)
File C:\Python Binaries\pywin32-210\setup.py, line 678, in
build_extension
why = self._why_cant_build_extension(ext)
File C:\Python Binaries\pywin32-210\setup.py, line 426, in
_why_cant_build_
xtension
raise RuntimeError, Can't find a version in Windows.h
RuntimeError: Can't find a version in Windows.h
All the best,
Fuzzyman
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Re: [python-win32] Capturing stdout when running a Python Script
David Nicolson wrote: This might do what you want to achieve. It seems to make py2exe crash on exit, some file locking error. Works fine otherwise though. #!/usr/bin/env python import sys class LogBuffer: def __init__(self): pass def flush(self): sys.__stdout__.flush() def write(self,string): string = string.strip() sys.__stdout__.write(Captured: +string+\n) if __name__ == __main__: logbuffer = LogBuffer() sys.stdout = logbuffer print Hello I've written a class called 'StandOut' which does exactly this (plus more). It works fine with py2exe. http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/standout.html Michael Foord http://www.voidspace.org.uk On 27/10/2006, at 5:48 PM, Johan Lindvall wrote: Hi, Is there any way of capturing or displaying stdout when running a Python script? I know about: import sys sys.stdout = open(logfile.txt, a) but I don't want to modify my scripts to achieve this. -- /Johan. ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
[python-win32] Pythonwin
Hello all, I'm trying to get Pythonwin working with Movable Python. The first step was to try using a pure Python version of the executable. (Code reproduced below). This appears to work (both for installed Python and Movable Python) - however their are various minor problems I need to resolve. I don't mind maintaining a patched version, but would appreciate some clues. :-) The first issue is that the run script dialog doesn't appear- instead the file open dialog appears, and re-appears when closed. This happens whenever the python version is run - whether from normal Python or Movable Python. I've isolated the problem (well - at least partly) to the 'scriptutils.py' file. It is in the line 'if dlg.DoModal() != win32con.IDOK:' (I've messed up line numbers sorry) in the 'RunScript' function. When dlg.DoModal is called, DlgRunScript.OnBrowse is activated somehow... The Python version of the executable is : import sys import win32ui # importing 'intpyapp' automatically registers an app object. from pywin.framework import intpyapp # Remove this script name from sys.argv, else Pythonwin will try and open it! sys.argv = sys.argv[:-1] # Get the MFC app object and boot it up. app = win32ui.GetApp() app.InitInstance() app.Run() app.ExitInstance() All the best, Michael Foord http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/movpy/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 18/09/2006 ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Pure Python Pythonwin.exe
Mark Hammond wrote: Pythonwin the IDE has many fans, and I would like to get it working with Movable Python [#]_. Great! Pythonwin is launched with 'pythonwin.exe'. Presumably (I speak from ignorance here) this uses the registry to determine the installed Python. Nope - it uses some old code that really should die. When I run Pythonwin.exe on a computer with no installed Python (but a working Movpy setup) I get the message : The application can not locate win32ui.pyd (or python) (126) The specified module could not be found. This is after putting the Pythonwin directory on the path [#]_ - and win32ui.pyd exists in the current directory (same directory as pythonwin.exe). That surprises me. win32ui.pyd next to pythonwin.exe should work fine - that is the first thing checked by the code (which FYI is in pythonwin/win32uiHostGlue.h) Maybe a generic error message when it fails to find Python ? Seeing as you posted Python code below I lost my motivation to go poking round in C++ files. :-) I see that the Pythonwin source code is C++, so I guess there is no way of creating a Pure Python version. :-) But there is :) This is great, it runs fine with Movable Python. (Although I have yet to find a machine *without* Python installed to try it properly, I need to get VMWare running again.) When it runs for the first time it prints the following message to the console (but works fine) : Failed to connect to Pythonwin|System. Error 0 Is this because there is no currently running version of pythonwin for it to connect to ? Anyway, many thanks. Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml import sys import win32ui # importing 'intpyapp' automatically registers an app object. from pywin.framework import intpyapp # Remove this script name from sys.argv, else Pythonwin will try and open it! sys.argv = sys.argv[:-1] # Get the MFC app object and boot it up. app = win32ui.GetApp() app.InitInstance() app.Run() app.ExitInstance() The above code should boot a fully functioning Pythonwin - just execute it from pythonw.exe and you should be good to go. The only reason I haven't moved to something like this is that (a) pythonwin.exe already exists, and (b) having a .exe makes it more obvious to a casual user... Cheers, Mark ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
