Re: [python-win32] Media Wiki
James Matthews wrote: > A while ago the fact was brought up that we need a wiki for all the > pythonwin32 info! I have acquired a domain name and wish to host this wiki > but i want to know what people will want and i need people that will write > articles please emails me! Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this! I've had our discussions about this squirrelled away in a must-do-something-about-this folder but... I'm quite happy to donate by Win32 How Do I... articles (a dozen or so, some of which are linked from the new pyfaq site). I do add to them from time to time, but less often than I'd like. Fundamentally, I think any such venture has to have a clear raison d'etre [you'll have to imagine the circumflex]. There's not much point in its reiterating things which are Python-general: that's what all the other Python docs are for. I see it as a way of overcoming the still-mildly-*nix-centredness of Python use especially in certain areas, and to reassure people in a twofold way: Python works fine on Windows and you can do pretty much everything you need; and if you want to do things on Windows, Python is a great tool to use. I'm not sure what style you're going for, or what structure, but the sort of sections I thought would be useful are (in no particular order): + Win32-specifics on various apps / modules, particularly where the authors are more *nix-oriented so special installation steps or even patches are needed. Obviously this could also be fed back to the maintainers. + Common Win32-specific question areas, such as: Excel, CDO, PDF, Word. These are the sort of things I've generated my How Do I... series from, but obviously there are loads more. I think some structure is worthwhile here because otherwise one could just check the archives of mailing lists etc. + Links to sites which provide Windows-oriented Python information, and to some extent those which are useful for the Python programmer even though not Python-oriented. There's my 2.5p-worth. Happy to contribute as far as commitments permit. TJG ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Media Wiki
Hi, On 2/23/07, Tim Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > + Win32-specifics on various apps / modules, particularly where the > authors are more *nix-oriented so special installation steps or even > patches are needed. Obviously this could also be fed back to the > maintainers. > > + Common Win32-specific question areas, such as: Excel, CDO, PDF, Word. > These are the sort of things I've generated my How Do I... series from, > but obviously there are loads more. I think some structure is worthwhile > here because otherwise one could just check the archives of mailing > lists etc. > > + Links to sites which provide Windows-oriented Python information, > and to some extent those which are useful for the Python programmer > even though not Python-oriented. + Hints on how to convert VB to Python (might be somewhere else already) + Hints on how to convert C to python (ctypes) + Advanced examples of how to create DLL plugins (for non Python applications) using Pyrex (though I am not sure that documentation exists for non windows either) (?) + How to build a pyd file (?) + Links to MSDN documentation Feel free to say that you DON'T think the items above are a good idea also :-) MarkM ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Media Wiki
Mark Mc Mahon wrote: > + Hints on how to convert VB to Python (might be somewhere else already) > > + Hints on how to convert C to python (ctypes) > > + Advanced examples of how to create DLL plugins (for non Python > applications) using Pyrex (though I am not sure that documentation > exists for non windows either) (?) > > + How to build a pyd file (?) > > + Links to MSDN documentation > > Feel free to say that you DON'T think the items above are a good idea also :-) All good, I'd say, as well as some kind of summary on the oh-no-you-can't oh-yes-you-can story on building Python with free/non-free compilers. (Bags me not be the one to put that together!). One thing which isn't quite clear to me is whether things should focus on *links* or *articles* or whatever works. In short, I think the less philosophising and the more action the better at this point. Let's get something going and see how it looks. Obvious caveat with MSDN doc links: they change faster than I change my socks. Might be better to link to, say: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amsdn.microsoft.com+wmi TJG ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Media Wiki
Thank you Mark and Tim! Which Wiki platform should we use? On 2/23/07, Tim Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mark Mc Mahon wrote: > + Hints on how to convert VB to Python (might be somewhere else already) > > + Hints on how to convert C to python (ctypes) > > + Advanced examples of how to create DLL plugins (for non Python > applications) using Pyrex (though I am not sure that documentation > exists for non windows either) (?) > > + How to build a pyd file (?) > > + Links to MSDN documentation > > Feel free to say that you DON'T think the items above are a good idea also :-) All good, I'd say, as well as some kind of summary on the oh-no-you-can't oh-yes-you-can story on building Python with free/non-free compilers. (Bags me not be the one to put that together!). One thing which isn't quite clear to me is whether things should focus on *links* or *articles* or whatever works. In short, I think the less philosophising and the more action the better at this point. Let's get something going and see how it looks. Obvious caveat with MSDN doc links: they change faster than I change my socks. Might be better to link to, say: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amsdn.microsoft.com+wmi TJG ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32 -- http://www.goldwatches.com/watches.asp?Brand=39 http://www.wazoozle.com ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Media Wiki
Hi James, On 2/23/07, James Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Mark and Tim! > > Which Wiki platform should we use? > A religious discussion? I personally love Trac, but I don't know how well it fares as a public site - due to wiki spam (though they are working on that), and we probably don't need all the extra features (tickets, code browser, etc) I also don't know what you can host - but it would be cool if it was a Python powered one like Moin Moin (though I haven't used it extensively). Otherwise - please pick one with a reasonable level of responsiveness - I find that Twiki can often be a bit on the slow side. Mark ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Media Wiki
Mark Mc Mahon wrote: > On 2/23/07, James Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Which Wiki platform should we use? > A religious discussion? Indeed. Although not so much as other things. It would be politic to use a Python-driven one, and both Trac and Moin Moin qualify. I personally prefer Trac, and you can turn off things you don't need. I believe that a fairly simple logon scheme (or a sophisticated one, I suppose) deters most wiki spam. Of course, hosting is an issue; Trac can be hosted on CGI, but it's a tad slow. I don't feel strongly about it though. TJG ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Media Wiki
I will leave the final verdict to the great users of the python mailing list! I will decide on later based on the majority! James On 2/23/07, Tim Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mark Mc Mahon wrote: > On 2/23/07, James Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Which Wiki platform should we use? > A religious discussion? Indeed. Although not so much as other things. It would be politic to use a Python-driven one, and both Trac and Moin Moin qualify. I personally prefer Trac, and you can turn off things you don't need. I believe that a fairly simple logon scheme (or a sophisticated one, I suppose) deters most wiki spam. Of course, hosting is an issue; Trac can be hosted on CGI, but it's a tad slow. I don't feel strongly about it though. TJG -- http://www.goldwatches.com/watches.asp?Brand=39 http://www.wazoozle.com ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] Media Wiki
James Matthews wrote: > I will leave the final verdict to the great users of the python mailing > list! I will decide on later based on the majority! > +1 for MoinMoin -- Regards, Graham Bloice ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] better way to get current process's name
Kelie wrote: > Tim R, What do you mean by "installing" a Windows hook? A Windows hook is fairly dark magic and essentially involves adding a link into the chain of events whenever something significant occurs within Windows -- mostly to do with the Windows messages which are passed around between apps and by the O/S. You really need to be sure you know what you're doing before you launch out. There's a useful-looking post here explaining how to determine whether the Caps Lock is on or off: http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2006/03/29/562606.aspx but, frankly, except as a learning exercise, I think you're trying to do something which is messy in the extreme and far more fiddly than perhaps it appears from the human perspective. I fully expect you now to go ahead, do it easily and prove me wrong! (In which case, we want a good write-up). TJG ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] py2exe all of it
Apoligies if this goes to the wrong place - I'm new to mailing lists. I've
done a lot of digging and tinkering, and am posting what I've found in case
it helps anybody else.
I started by py2exe'ing a script that was basically just:
execfile("test.py")
To see what did and did not work in test.py on a machine without python
installed. test.py could be edited in notepad from any machine obviously.
I didn't expect it to work, and it didn't - I was failing with imports, so I
started sticking imports before the line execfile("test.py") which does
work. I ended up writing a find all modules function and a 'deep import'
function for packages. I built these into setup.py so that it would try to
import any name it found, log the ones that worked, use that log to build a
script to freeze, and ultimately freeze it. I can't help it, I have a thing
for brute force.
Along the way, I was reading anything I could find about how import actually
works. I also was able to define what I'm wanting to accomplish a little
better. As far as I can tell, what an installer does in the registry is A)
Put python.exe in the search path B) Associate icons for .py and .pyc files,
C) Setup .py and .pyc files up as executable, sent to python.exe to
interperet, and D) setup the pythonpath environment variable to support
import statements.
A, B, and C are not a big deal for a developer, but they can confuse a
user. D is a near necessity no matter who you are.
My next plan is to copy an entire python installation (files and
folders) onto a shared network drive, and write something to set up path and
pythonpath environment variables. That way, any machine connected to that
drive should run python programs without any installation. Making an app
launchable via 'doubleclick' will require encapsulating the setup program
and the app itself, but there are 1,001 ways to do that.
I'll report back on how this goes. Thanks to everybody for their input.
On 2/13/07, Wedge & Lever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At work, bringing in an executable to use is no big deal, but installing
anything takes an act of congress. Because of this, I was going to try to
py2exe everything you get with the windows installer, wxPython, and
pyOpenGL. My goal is basically a complete python distribution that does not
need to install anything.
Is this a pipe dream?
If it's doable, I can figure it out... I just don't want to throw a lot of
time and effort at the impossible. If anybody's tried this, or knows a good
reason it should/couldn't work, I'd appreciate any feedback you can provide.
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Re: [python-win32] py2exe all of it
Wedge & Lever wrote: > > ... > My next plan is to copy an entire python installation (files and > folders) onto a shared network drive, and write something to set up > path and pythonpath environment variables. That way, any machine > connected to that drive should run python programs without any > installation. Making an app launchable via 'doubleclick' will require > encapsulating the setup program and the app itself, but there are > 1,001 ways to do that. OK, but here's the part that bothers me. What you are describing is essentially what an installer would do. If you are able to do what you suggest, then why can't you just run the installer? What's the difference? -- Tim Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
Re: [python-win32] better way to get current process's name
Tim Golden wrote: > ... > but, frankly, except as a learning exercise, I think you're > trying to do something which is messy in the extreme and > far more fiddly than perhaps it appears from the human > perspective. > > I fully expect you now to go ahead, do it easily and prove > me wrong! (In which case, we want a good write-up). > I cannot imagine a better summary of the situation than this. I was about to go into a lengthy and overly verbose (as everything I write is) explanation of how hard this will be in practice, but I cannot top this. Well put. -- Tim Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc. ___ Python-win32 mailing list Python-win32@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32
