Re: [PythonCE] VimCE

2006-12-14 Thread Bandung

Yes it is Rainer's VIM.  I wish I knew how to compile Windows apps from
source code.  In that case, I would try to get version 7.0 working.  

(1) The good news is that Rainer's Vim 6.0 version works quite well.  I had
to add additional file folders and populate them with the necessary plugins
in order to get all of the menu features working.  To do this, I installed
the desktop version 6.3 of Vim and then copied the entire sub folder
structure over into my pda and voila, everything worked except for one
script, vim.vim.  When I deleted it, everything, and I do mean everything
else within Vim worked.  I added the most up-to-date python syntax script I
could find and that is what I use.

My pda has a hardware keyboard so I use it extensively.  I have programmed
missing keys for the escape key and some other combinations such as ctrl-Q
as an example.  I also wanted a backward slashes, etc.  I can get a lot of
things done on my pda with this hardware keyboard.  Even though I have
Calligrapher installed (which I love by the way) I don't need it when I am
editing code.

I would be willing to zip my Vim directory and upload it somewhere in order
for you to take a look at .  It has the _vimrc file setup for those features
that I use.  You don't have to stick with them.  It will give you an idea of
how useful this program is when you configure it to your liking.

(2) Now that I have managed to get a pocket console programme working, I
don't see the need to use VIM as a pda console anymore.   

(3) The third thing that I wanted to have was the ability to have an open
With option within my file explorer so that I could choose either of the
following actions to a) launch the python module by clicking on it or b)
open it within Vim for editing.  I was trying to get this working within Vim
by writing a macro that would permit me to execute the module that I was
editing but so far no luck.  What I discovered instead was a little utility
that attaches itself to the windows file explorer and permits me to do jsut
that.  If I click on the file, it executes.  If I click and hold, I get a
context menu where I choose open with and then I use Vim to edit it.  

I wish Total Commander's view or edit command worked properly. 
Unfortunately it doesn't  appear to use  around the file name that is
being clicked on so every file that is within a directory whose name has a
space in it, doesn't lauch properly.  For example, all files within my
storage card since they are inthe \Storage Card\whatever.file and because
of the space, the program thinks the directory is  \Storage rather than
\Storage Card .  The same thing is true with Resco's file explorer.  Their
open with feture doesn't work on my Windows 5.0 device.  Now it could be
that something I've installed is causing this behaviour since I don't see
anyone else complaining about this.

(4) There are some capabilities within the current python ports that are
missing that would help with debugging.  Examples are the ability to provide
arguments when launching python such as 

   python -i /myfile.py   (the ability to execute a module and upon its
completion, switch to a working interpreter mode).
   python -m pdb /myfile (the ability to execute a command such as the
python debugger pdb and then launch a module in the interpreter with the
debugger running)


That's my experience to date.



JBirdAngel wrote:
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 is it VimCE that you use from Rainer? 
 
 is this this and the command console things youve been talking about
 the best development platform for python? i dont know if im saying it
 right or what the difference between an editor and an IDE is unless the
 difference is the ide running the programs/scripts too, or are there
 other options available? 
 
 thanks - jason 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [PythonCE] VimCE

2006-12-14 Thread Bandung

Editing vs IDE

Editing
The most sought after features that I like to see in an editor are context
sensitive hiliting and a lot of short cut keys.  It would also be nice to
have auto completion of commands.  I don't have the latter within VimCE.  

IDE
The ability to execute the modified code with a single click is really cool. 
It would also be cool to support auto completion of commands.  A third
feture would be the ability to enter some break points for debugging. 
Another capability would be to be able to access a graphical GUI builder,
look at your code using a UML viewing mode, etc.

IDLE is a pretty decent editor and IDE.  But I am far more proficient
editing code from within Vim.  All I want over and above a decent editor for
the pda environment now is the ability to execute that modified code easily
without having to use 4 or 5 clicks  (to find files that are deep within
some file folder structure on my Storage Card).   I have discovered a few
work arounds which gets it down to two clicks and now I don't have to worry
about a modified py module not being reloaded by IDLE and executed.   So
that is the extent of my search for a better IDE at this juncture.


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