Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-04 Thread konrad . hinsen
On 03.10.2006, at 12:43, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

 I have a patch for setuptools 0.7 that includes header files in  
 eggs and ensures that other setuptools-aware packages see those  
 during build_ext. PJE has indicated that something like this will  
 be added to setuptools in 0.7 timeframe.

That's good news. I will look at setuptools again when 0.7 is out.

 I'm rather happy with setuptools, there are some cosmetic problems  
 (like the header-file thingy), but the core seems pretty well  
 thought out. The main

I wouldn't call that a cosmetic problem. It probably affects few  
packages, but for those it is a showstopper.

Konrad.

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-04 Thread konrad . hinsen
On 03.10.2006, at 19:09, Bob Ippolito wrote:

 Therefore, if it is possible to download and install eggs manually,
 then I am sure there would be a client base for a GUI-based installer
 associated with .egg files.

 It's still very atypical. You'd be coding a GUI client that three  
 people use.

I don't know. It is very hard to say what is typical without some  
hard data. In my immediate work environment I already see very  
different habits in installingh software, ranging from the PhD  
student who administrates his own PC as he likes to a large paranoid  
research lab where only one person is allowed to install software  
downloaded from the Internet.

 There are options with easy_install to do all of these things. I'm
 pretty sure there's an option to download packages without installing
 them that people use to download the eggs (e.g. for transfer to
 another machine or archival), and there's an option to use a
 filesystem path instead of the internet for installing packages.

That sounds fine. Still, there is always a need for GUI installers in  
my opinion.

 Any other problems you have you should report to distutils-sig so that
 they get fixed. It's definitely not going to get any less popular, so
 you're going to have to live with setuptools.

As long as there are no plans to abandon the standard distutils  
installation, I feel safe... and I can't find any other problems with  
setuptools before the one that blocks my packages (all of them) is  
solved.

Konrad.

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-04 Thread Ronald Oussoren
 
On Wednesday, October 04, 2006, at 09:28AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 03.10.2006, at 12:43, Ronald Oussoren wrote:


 I'm rather happy with setuptools, there are some cosmetic problems  
 (like the header-file thingy), but the core seems pretty well  
 thought out. The main

I wouldn't call that a cosmetic problem. It probably affects few  
packages, but for those it is a showstopper.

You're right, but it is a rather shallow problem. I had implemented a fix for 
that within the hour, without having looked at the setuptools source before. 
There are probably more little wringles like those and some of those will be 
showstoppers for some people.

Ronald

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[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE (and others), 2.4.3 and Tkinter solution (for me)

2006-10-04 Thread LALOUX Martin


I work on 10.3.9 and since i upgrade to python 2.4.3 universal, i cannot
run  IDLE  without freezing but also other apps like mayavi that I must
use in my work. 
Ronald Oussoren writes but IDLE in MacPython 2.4
doesn't work for me after all. I'm seeing the same behaviour as
you: IDLE starts, but hangs immediately 

For people like me who cannot update to Tiger (work, money) I
found a solution : 
noting that this problem did not exist with macpython 2.4.1, I replace
the Tkinter.so of 2.4.3 by the one of 2.4.1 and no more problem : all
works perfectly
Martin

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[Pythonmac-SIG] bugs in _Qtmodule

2006-10-04 Thread Jeff Senn

While attempting to use the QuickTime sequence grabber
interfaces from Python I notice that there is some
confusion between Component and ComponentInstance
in _Qtmodule.c.

I believe most of the instances of CmpObj_{Convert,New}
in _Qtmodule should actually be CmpInstObj_{Convert,New}
(There are a few that are correctly CmpObj_...)

I have a (moderately tested) patch...

-Jas
[Please CC relevant replies to me directly
as I don't read the list regularly]

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] bugs in _Qtmodule

2006-10-04 Thread Jack Jansen


On 4-okt-2006, at 3:58, Jeff Senn wrote:



While attempting to use the QuickTime sequence grabber
interfaces from Python I notice that there is some
confusion between Component and ComponentInstance
in _Qtmodule.c.

I believe most of the instances of CmpObj_{Convert,New}
in _Qtmodule should actually be CmpInstObj_{Convert,New}
(There are a few that are correctly CmpObj_...)

I have a (moderately tested) patch...


A patch won't help much, because _Qtmodule is generated (through  
qtscan.py/qtsupport.py). I assume that there's a one-line mistake in  
qtsupport, which leads to one C type being handled as CmpObj in stead  
of CmpInstObj.


Hmm, well at least the patch will contain that information, I guess.  
Could you put it on sourceforge and assign it to me?

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] bugs in _Qtmodule

2006-10-04 Thread Jeff Senn

On Oct 4, 2006, at 5:12 AM, Jack Jansen wrote:


 A patch won't help much, because _Qtmodule is generated (through  
 qtscan.py/qtsupport.py). I assume that there's a one-line mistake  
 in qtsupport, which leads to one C type being handled as CmpObj in  
 stead of CmpInstObj.

Ah, I see. Yes a bunch of lines in qtsupport.py

 Hmm, well at least the patch will contain that information, I  
 guess. Could you put it on sourceforge and assign it to me?

I'll sourceforge the patch to qtsupport.py; it's obvious.


-Jas


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[Pythonmac-SIG] porting VPython to OS X

2006-10-04 Thread Joe Heafner
Hello.

I'm an astronomy/physics instructor who makes heavy use of VPython  
(http://www.vpython.org) in teaching introductory calculus-based  
physics. Currently, the only way to use VPython under OS X is via  
Fink, which indeed works very well. However, we *REALLY• need a  
native OS X port that can run without the need for X11. Neither I nor  
the original VPython developers are Mac programmers and therein lies  
the purpose of my request. Is there a kind soul out there who would  
be willing to port VPython so that it runs with the latest Mac native  
version of Python (currently 2.5 afaik)? I would be most willing to  
help with testing and anything else not related to writing Mac code,  
which I currently just can't do. You would be helping the physics  
teaching community as well as the Mac and Python communities and  
there would certainly be undying gratitude from all of us! If you're  
willing to help us out, contact me on list or off list (email in  
sig). I would really appreciate it!

Joe Heafner
heafnerj(at)sticksandshadows(dot)com
www(dot)SticksAndShadows(dot)com



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