Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
Now that there are several people that want to support Apple's build  
of python: how do we go forward from here?


I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons", this  
project will install:


* Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral  
binaries (32-bit only at first)

* (possibly) hotfix to ensure that you can install '-fat-' eggs on 10.5
* /Applications/Python-2.5/IDLE.app

In there future we could add other changes, such as a 'python64'  
command for running python in 64-bit code. IMHO this should be done  
only when we have patches python.org tree that enable 4-way universal  
builds on Leopard, otherwise we'd have a real risk of loosing these  
changes in a future version.


Ronald

On 2 Jan, 2008, at 21:33, Bill Janssen wrote:


Even though I've been an open source developer since long before the
word existed I find that I'm getting sick and tired of the reinvent-
the-world attitude that is far too common in the open source  
community.


If I am new to Python on the Mac and I've played with Apple Python a
little, but as soon as I want to install one little add-on module I
have to first replace the whole existing Python with something new
(and not directly Apple-endorsed) I might just drop out. And at the
very least it's mightily inconvenient.


Well said, Jack!  I think supporting/fixing the Apple-supplied Python
should be a goal.  I certainly used the Tiger 'Apple' Python for
everything, living with its various foibles, and I intend to do the
same with Leopard.  I can see why cutting edge developers might want
to have other versions installed (I've got 2.6 and 3.0 on my Leopard
machine, for instance), but all my normal software is developed
against /usr/bin/python.

Bill




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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Andrew Jaffe
Hi All,

I'm not sure whether this is the correct thread/place for this, but is 
there any official "best practice" for Python under Leopard?

I.E., should we still be using the MacPython framework build (since I 
assume that is more likely to track current python versions than the 
Apple build). Is this on the main python or macpython websites somewhere?

Thanks,

Andrew



Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> Now that there are several people that want to support Apple's build of 
> python: how do we go forward from here?
> 
> I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons", this 
> project will install:
> 
> * Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral binaries 
> (32-bit only at first)
> * (possibly) hotfix to ensure that you can install '-fat-' eggs on 10.5
> * /Applications/Python-2.5/IDLE.app
> 
> In there future we could add other changes, such as a 'python64' command 
> for running python in 64-bit code. IMHO this should be done only when we 
> have patches python.org tree that enable 4-way universal builds on 
> Leopard, otherwise we'd have a real risk of loosing these changes in a 
> future version.
> 
> Ronald
> 
> On 2 Jan, 2008, at 21:33, Bill Janssen wrote:
> 
>>> Even though I've been an open source developer since long before the
>>> word existed I find that I'm getting sick and tired of the reinvent-
>>> the-world attitude that is far too common in the open source community.
>>>
>>> If I am new to Python on the Mac and I've played with Apple Python a
>>> little, but as soon as I want to install one little add-on module I
>>> have to first replace the whole existing Python with something new
>>> (and not directly Apple-endorsed) I might just drop out. And at the
>>> very least it's mightily inconvenient.
>>
>> Well said, Jack!  I think supporting/fixing the Apple-supplied Python
>> should be a goal.  I certainly used the Tiger 'Apple' Python for
>> everything, living with its various foibles, and I intend to do the
>> same with Leopard.  I can see why cutting edge developers might want
>> to have other versions installed (I've got 2.6 and 3.0 on my Leopard
>> machine, for instance), but all my normal software is developed
>> against /usr/bin/python.
>>
>> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren


On 3 Jan, 2008, at 15:18, Andrew Jaffe wrote:


Hi All,

I'm not sure whether this is the correct thread/place for this, but is
there any official "best practice" for Python under Leopard?


This is the right thread for that (albeith one with a lame subject).




I.E., should we still be using the MacPython framework build (since I
assume that is more likely to track current python versions than the
Apple build). Is this on the main python or macpython websites  
somewhere?


At the moment Apple's build is a slightly patched [*] version of the  
current stable release of Python (that is 2.5.1), but with some small  
issues. AFAIK all issues are related to distutils and are easy to fix.  
My precious message was a call-to-arms to get a small package out that  
fixes the issues with Apple's build, which would result in a fully up- 
to-date python installation including all goodies that Apple ships  
(PyObjC, wxWidgets, Twisted-Core, ...) and without downloading several  
huge archives.


Ronald

[*] there is dtrace support in Apple's build and not in the official  
tree.



Thanks,

Andrew



Ronald Oussoren wrote:
Now that there are several people that want to support Apple's  
build of

python: how do we go forward from here?

I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons", this
project will install:

* Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral  
binaries

(32-bit only at first)
* (possibly) hotfix to ensure that you can install '-fat-' eggs on  
10.5

* /Applications/Python-2.5/IDLE.app

In there future we could add other changes, such as a 'python64'  
command
for running python in 64-bit code. IMHO this should be done only  
when we

have patches python.org tree that enable 4-way universal builds on
Leopard, otherwise we'd have a real risk of loosing these changes  
in a

future version.

Ronald

On 2 Jan, 2008, at 21:33, Bill Janssen wrote:

Even though I've been an open source developer since long before  
the
word existed I find that I'm getting sick and tired of the  
reinvent-
the-world attitude that is far too common in the open source  
community.


If I am new to Python on the Mac and I've played with Apple  
Python a

little, but as soon as I want to install one little add-on module I
have to first replace the whole existing Python with something new
(and not directly Apple-endorsed) I might just drop out. And at the
very least it's mightily inconvenient.


Well said, Jack!  I think supporting/fixing the Apple-supplied  
Python

should be a goal.  I certainly used the Tiger 'Apple' Python for
everything, living with its various foibles, and I intend to do the
same with Leopard.  I can see why cutting edge developers might want
to have other versions installed (I've got 2.6 and 3.0 on my Leopard
machine, for instance), but all my normal software is developed
against /usr/bin/python.

Bill





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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Andrew Jaffe
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> 
> On 3 Jan, 2008, at 15:18, Andrew Jaffe wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure whether this is the correct thread/place for this, but is
>> there any official "best practice" for Python under Leopard?
>>
>> I.E., should we still be using the MacPython framework build (since I
>> assume that is more likely to track current python versions than the
>> Apple build). Is this on the main python or macpython websites somewhere?
> 
> At the moment Apple's build is a slightly patched [*] version of the 
> current stable release of Python (that is 2.5.1), but with some small 
> issues. AFAIK all issues are related to distutils and are easy to fix. 
> My precious message was a call-to-arms to get a small package out that 
> fixes the issues with Apple's build, which would result in a fully 
> up-to-date python installation including all goodies that Apple ships 
> (PyObjC, wxWidgets, Twisted-Core, ...) and without downloading several 
> huge archives.

Thanks!

So will this be the the right thing to do in general? Will it possible 
to add/replace more up-to-date packages when they come out (E.G., numpy 
or even Python 2.6 if it predates the next OSX)? Or will the bleeding 
edge always require an external framework build? For such a build, how 
hard is it to add in the "goodies"? (I've got easy_install working for 
my framework build, for example and usually use that right now.)

Andrew

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Jack Jansen

On 3 jan 2008, at 14:22, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

> Now that there are several people that want to support Apple's build  
> of python: how do we go forward from here?
>
> I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons", this  
> project will install:
>
> * Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral  
> binaries (32-bit only at first)
> * (possibly) hotfix to ensure that you can install '-fat-' eggs on  
> 10.5
> * /Applications/Python-2.5/IDLE.app


I think that for "true" end users Idle is the only serious omission.  
The first one is really for developers only, and the second one  
doesn't really become important until such fat eggs become widely  
available (which they are not right now, IIRC).

Hmm, idea to keep this manageable: how much work would it be to create  
tiny installers for each of these hotfixes, and then have a umbrella  
installer that encompasses all of these? That way, as new problems  
surface the only work would be to create a hotfix installer for that  
single problem and do a tiny update to the umbrella installer.
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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren


On 3 Jan, 2008, at 17:03, Jack Jansen wrote:



On 3 jan 2008, at 14:22, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

Now that there are several people that want to support Apple's  
build of python: how do we go forward from here?


I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons",  
this project will install:


* Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral  
binaries (32-bit only at first)
* (possibly) hotfix to ensure that you can install '-fat-' eggs on  
10.5

* /Applications/Python-2.5/IDLE.app



I think that for "true" end users Idle is the only serious omission.  
The first one is really for developers only, and the second one  
doesn't really become important until such fat eggs become widely  
available (which they are not right now, IIRC).


I need to check on an unpatched system, but I'm pretty sure that  
setuptools will refuse to install fat eggs at the moment, and that is  
something that will bite causal developers (e.g. you install something  
like turbogears and will complain about missing eggs).



Hmm, idea to keep this manageable: how much work would it be to  
create tiny installers for each of these hotfixes, and then have a  
umbrella installer that encompasses all of these? That way, as new  
problems surface the only work would be to create a hotfix installer  
for that single problem and do a tiny update to the umbrella  
installer.


I want to do whatever keeps my live as easy as possible, either an  
umbrella package with small hotfix packages or one package that  
installs all hotfixes. I also want to keep the addon package as small  
as possible and don't want to end up shipping a package that patches  
Apple's install to 2.5.2 (whenever that is released).


Ronald



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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Christopher Barker
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
> I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons",

This looks very promising. Thanks for getting it going.

> this  project will install:
> 
> * Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral
> binaries (32-bit only at first) * (possibly) hotfix to ensure that
> you can install '-fat-' eggs on 10.5 *
> /Applications/Python-2.5/IDLE.app

I don't have 10.5, so I'm only going on my memory of issues people have
complained about on various mailing lists:

  * How about readline?

  * What about people installing upgrades to packages? IIUC, the Apple
python puts stuff in a dir that is before site-packages, so if you
install a newer version of a package that Apple already had, it won't be
used without sys.path manipulations. I think numpy was the example at
hand, but assume the same issue would apply to wxPython etc.

Also, if people do upgrade packages like numpy or wxPython, or ???,
might that break any Apple system stuff if there are backward 
compatibility issues?

  * Will this allow folks to build a package (or egg) on 10.5 with
Apple's Python, and have it work with the Framework 2.5 python on 10.4? 
(and vice-versa?)

* Will py2app bundle up Apple's python, or assume it exists? If it 
doesn't, then will it know which packages to bundle?

I now I came across as a negative whiner about Apple's python early in 
this thread, but I think we all have the same goal here -- make it easy 
to use for newbies, and have it be as little work for the folks doing 
the real work on MacPython (not me!).

If all (or most) of the issues can be resolved with the Apple supplied 
python, I'm all for it.

Andrew Jaffe wrote:
> is 
> there any official "best practice" for Python under Leopard?

That is exactly what is being discussed here. If I have it right, then 
Ronald is proposing that a modest "hotfix" package will solve the few 
issues with the Python Apple supplies with 10.5, so we, as a community, 
can declare using it as a "best practice". We can then update the 
appropriate Wiki pages (and that I could actually help with!)

Jack Jansen wrote:
> I think that for "true" end users Idle is the only serious omission.

This is where I disagree -- what is a "true" end user? It's a complete 
continuum, from total newbie to hard-core hack-at-the-cpython-source 
developer. And, indeed, we hope that the newbies will move up the 
continuum as they get more experience.

 > The first one is really for developers only,

Who is a "developer?". I agree that folks like Ronald (for PyobjC) and 
Robin Dunn (for wxPython), can patch their systems to build binary 
packages the way they want. However, a LOT of binary packages for OS-X 
are build by folks different than the people developing the packages. 
These vary from newbies that download a tarball with instructions to 
type: "setup.py install", to folks like me that are less newbie, but 
really want a one-way-to-do-it package that I can give to my colleagues 
etc, and have it run on multiple systems, to folks that are trying to 
get an app bundled up with py2app that lots of other folks can run.

Ever since OS-X began, the net has been littered with various binary 
packages for python that are all compatible with different pythons: 
Apple's, fink, darwinports, Intel Only, PPC only,etc, etc, etc. It 
really will do the community a lot of good to consolidate that as much 
as possible, and having the "best practices" python build the "right" 
kind of package by default is critical to this.

Someone wanting to build and distribute a packages needs to be able to 
find instructions not more complicated than:

1) Download and install this: [hotfix package]
2) setup.py build
3) bdist_mpgk (or whatever the setuptools command is to build a binary egg)

 > and the second one doesn't
> really become important until such fat eggs become widely available 
> (which they are not right now, IIRC).

I don't know how you define widely, but they are becoming available -- 
matplotlib, scipy, numpy, etc.

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread William Kyngesburye
On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>> I think that for "true" end users Idle is the only serious  
>> omission. The first one is really for developers only, and the  
>> second one doesn't really become important until such fat eggs  
>> become widely available (which they are not right now, IIRC).
>
> I need to check on an unpatched system, but I'm pretty sure that  
> setuptools will refuse to install fat eggs at the moment, and that  
> is something that will bite causal developers (e.g. you install  
> something like turbogears and will complain about missing eggs).
>>


It seems to be working for me.  Some source I compiled builds a python  
wrapper (swig-based), which also depends on numpy.  I used ARCHFLAGS  
to build quad-arch:

export ARCHFLAGS="-arch ppc -arch i386 -arch ppc64 -arch x86_64"

With "make install" it uses setup.py's setup(), which works with no  
errors.  The zipped egg the build process generates also installs with  
easy_install with no errors.  The egg is named with only the build  
system's arch, i386.  I don't see anything in the egg-info or easy- 
install.pth that identifies the architectures, other than the egg name.

I haven't done any patching to the system's python.

-
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http://www.kyngchaos.com/

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Bill Janssen
> * Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral  
> binaries (32-bit only at first)

Is there a bug # for this?  Possibly with a patch that we could start
with :-?

Bill
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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Tobias Rodäbel
On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

> I want to do whatever keeps my live as easy as possible, either an  
> umbrella package with small hotfix packages or one package that  
> installs all hotfixes. I also want to keep the addon package as  
> small as possible and don't want to end up shipping a package that  
> patches Apple's install to 2.5.2 (whenever that is released).

Sounds great! BTW, we had a very inspiring discussion on the zope3-dev  
list last summer regarding system python for *development*. Most  
people there prefer a separate python tree for each (zope) project. 
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg08490.html

A current Zope Components (formerly known as Zope3) based Application  
crashes with Leopard's system python because of the twisted package,  
which brings in a dated zope.interface egg (BTW, the unpacked egg as  
well).

I'm extensively using zc.buildout for my projects. And not only for  
zope development. I love to have an unpolluted reconstructible python  
environment for each project and leaving the system python untouched.

I am now thinking about setting up a buildout for Leopard's python.

Cheers,
Tobias
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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren


On 3 Jan, 2008, at 18:42, Bill Janssen wrote:


* Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral
binaries (32-bit only at first)


Is there a bug # for this?  Possibly with a patch that we could start
with :-?


There is a fix in python's repository. I'll have to look up the  
details, but it was a bad version comparision (testing for <= 10.4.  
instead of >= 10.4 IIRC).


I'm planning to start work on this next weekend, starting with the  
distutils issues.


Ronald



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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren


On 3 Jan, 2008, at 19:28, Tobias Rodäbel wrote:


On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

I want to do whatever keeps my live as easy as possible, either an  
umbrella package with small hotfix packages or one package that  
installs all hotfixes. I also want to keep the addon package as  
small as possible and don't want to end up shipping a package that  
patches Apple's install to 2.5.2 (whenever that is released).


Sounds great! BTW, we had a very inspiring discussion on the zope3- 
dev list last summer regarding system python for *development*. Most  
people there prefer a separate python tree for each (zope) project. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg08490.html


I'm starting to get hooked on virtualenv (to be found on  
pypi.python.org). This allows you to have seperate python trees based  
on a single installation. You can, but don't have to, share the global  
site-packages directory and every install has its own site-packages as  
well.


This is very convenient when working on several projects, every one  
can have its own tree without having to install python several times.


Ronald

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Robin Dunn
Christopher Barker wrote:
>   * What about people installing upgrades to packages? IIUC, the Apple
> python puts stuff in a dir that is before site-packages, so if you
> install a newer version of a package that Apple already had, it won't be
> used without sys.path manipulations. I think numpy was the example at
> hand, but assume the same issue would apply to wxPython etc.

If the upgrade package is an egg then the new egg will be found first.
If the upgraded package just drops itself into the standard or user
site-packages or something then the Apple installed packages will be
found first unless there is some manipulation of the path.

$ /usr/bin/python -c "import sys,pprint; pprint.pprint(sys.path)"
['',
'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python25.zip', 


'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5',

'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-darwin',
 


'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-mac',
 


'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/plat-mac/lib-scriptpackages',
 


'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python', 


'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-tk',
 


'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload',
 

  '/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages',
'/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/PyObjC',
 


'/Users/robind/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages']

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Leopard easy_install chokes on appscript egg

2008-01-03 Thread has
On 31 Dec 2007, at 14:09, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

[cc.d to Bob for his info]

>>> That's a buglet in Python, fixed in what will be 2.5.2. Apple's  
>>> python doesn't do universal binaries and setuptools doesn't know  
>>> that an 'fat' egg will do on a 'ppc' or 'i386' platform.

After further poking, it does appear as if 10.5's Python is building  
extensions as UBs; it's just misnaming the eggs as ppc/i386.


>> OK, ta. Any advice on creating .eggs that will work for 10.5's  
>> brain-damaged Python install, both for PPC and i386? (While I have  
>> 10.4 on both PPC and i386, I have 10.5 on i386 only.)
>
> Patching the Makefile for python is probably the easiest way, that  
> is add '-arch i386 -arch ppc' to BASECFLAGS and LDFLAGS and set  
> UNIVERSALSDK to '/' (otherwise the architecture will be wrong). You  
> might also have to patch distutils to work around a bug in there.

Mmmmkay.

I've decided to cheat, building a universal .egg for user-installed  
Python 2.5 and separate 'ppc' and 'i386' eggs for Leopard Python (I  
don't have 10.5 on PPC, so I made myself a PPC-only python interpreter  
and it seems to create 'ppc' eggs okay under Rosetta.)


 2. I get the above traceback when easy_install tries to use the  
 source-
 based appscript. [...]
>>>
>>> My guess is that this a buglet in setuptools sandboxing code. Can  
>>> you build an egg using Apple's python and install that (that is  
>>> run 'setup.py bdist_egg' and then install that egg.
>>
>>
>> The following seems to work ok:
>>
>> cd appscript-0.18.0
>> /usr/bin/python setup.py bdist_egg
>> cd dist
>> /usr/bin/easy_install appscript*
>
> You might want to ask on [EMAIL PROTECTED] about this.


The error itself is occurring when importing the skipjunk function  
from py2app, so it might be best if Bob takes a look first to see if  
the problem is at py2app's end.

In the meantime, I disabled the skipjunk-related bits from setup.py,  
and 'easy_install appscript' now works as intended. The bdist_mpkg  
option is broken, however (either due to removing that code or to  
other bugs), so I've just disabled the lot for now and slung up an  
0.18.1 update on PyPI (I've still to update the sourceforge site  
though).

Not entirely happy that I don't have a working binary installer  
available for Tiger's Python, but I don't have the time to be dealing  
with all this stuff right now (plus I just bought a new laptop and  
don't want to bounce it off the walls just yet). If anyone else has a  
bit of free time and wants to create a more satisfactory solution then  
be my guest; just drop us a note and I'll be happy to put it up.

...

Anyway, assuming there's no more reports of problems in the next few  
days I'll call py-appscript-0.18.x a done deal [1]. If folks here  
would like to try installing appscript via 'easy_install appscript' in  
the next day or two and let me know if there's any more problems then  
I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks again,

has

[1] Next step is 0.19.0, which is a significant stripping down and  
reorganisation of the current distribution and [hopefully] the long- 
awaited beta 1 release.
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http://rb-appscript.rubyforge.org

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[Pythonmac-SIG] Possibly OT: Get path to icon file for PIL?

2008-01-03 Thread Kevin Walzer
I'm looking for a Python API that will return the path to an icon file 
which I can then read via PIL and display in my application.

The available API's that I can find--NSWorkspace and 
IconServices--provide various hooks to obtaining and displaying an icon, 
but neither appears to support finding the source file for an icon. For 
instance, I can use something like this in Cocoa to get an icon:

NSWorkspace * ws= [NSWorkspace sharedWorkspace];
NSString* path  = [ws fullPathForApplication:@"Safari"];
NSImage * icon  = [ws iconForFile: path];

but while this obtains the icon data, it doesn't tell me where the 
original file is.

My purpose here is to take advantage of PIL's ability to read icns files 
without having to rewrite my application entirely in PyObjC.

Would another approach work? I've looked into using plistlib to parse 
plist files, but that seems too haphazard. AppleScript also lists an API 
for finding icons, but it's not implemented.

Any advice is appreciated.

--Kevin

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Possibly OT: Get path to icon file for PIL?

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren


On 3 Jan, 2008, at 23:08, Kevin Walzer wrote:


I'm looking for a Python API that will return the path to an icon file
which I can then read via PIL and display in my application.

The available API's that I can find--NSWorkspace and
IconServices--provide various hooks to obtaining and displaying an  
icon,
but neither appears to support finding the source file for an icon.  
For

instance, I can use something like this in Cocoa to get an icon:

NSWorkspace * ws= [NSWorkspace sharedWorkspace];
NSString* path  = [ws fullPathForApplication:@"Safari"];
NSImage * icon  = [ws iconForFile: path];


You can do this through the bundle API (open the bundle for an  
application, look up the name of the icon from the Info.plist and then  
locate that icon.


Something like:

path = ...
bundle = NSBundle.bundleWithPath_(path)
info = bundle.infoDictionary()
iconName = info['CFBundleIconFile']
iconPath = bundle.pathForResource_ofType_(iconName, 'icns')

Ronald

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