[Pywikipedia-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T245350: Drop support of MW <1.19

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  Change 577589 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [pywikibot/core@master] [cleanup] Drop support of MediaWiki 1.14-1.18
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/577589

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  Change 598976 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [pywikibot/core@master] [doc] Use python2 release for older mw versions
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/598976

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  Change 598976 had a related patch set uploaded (by Xqt; owner: Xqt):
  [pywikibot/core@master] [doc] Use python2 release for older mw versions
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/598976

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-cloud) [2020-05-10T08:22:25Z]  
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  Looking at Gerrit and pip/setuptools:
  
  https://www.gerritcodereview.com/roadmap.html
  https://setuptools.readthedocs.io/en/latest/history.html
  
  What about this: PyPI description is so long currently. We could move history 
to a different place, but leave a link here. Then we could split current 
decomissions from HISTORY.rst into a separate file ROADMAP.rst (as HISTORY.rst 
is now even longer) and add these future release features into it. The 
structure would then be like this:
  
  name=ROADMAP.rst
Roadmap
===

Next release


* End support of Python 2 and Python 3.4
* End support of MW < 1.19
* Move to SemVer
* Remove 10 years old desupports

Future releases
---

* **decomissions
  
  
  
  name=HISTORY.rst
History
===

3.0.20200326


* 
* 
* 
  
  
  
  name=PyPI
Roadmap
===

_include: ROADMAP.rst

History
===

See 
  
  
  
  name=doc.wikimedia.org/pywikibot/master/history
History
===

_include: HISTORY.rst
  
  or just
  
  name=PyPI
Roadmap
===

_include: ROADMAP.rst

History
===

See 


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  > Seems reasonable, I support this
  
  Should we start a new task to collect major changes pushed with next major 
pwb release?

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  > Maybe drop support of Python 2.7 and Python 3.4 and MediaWiki below 1.19 
with next say 4.0 framework version. The next step can be dropping Python 3.5 
and mw below 1.23 in 2021 with 5.0 Framework or sth like this.
  
  Seems reasonable

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  Wikiapiary  says that nearly 2/3 of 
all wikis use versions from obsolete branches but this Analysis is not upto 
date because currently only MW 1.31, 1.33 and 1.34 hasn't reached its sunset. 
Currently we support **92 %** of wikis up to mw1.14. With dropping 1.18 and 
below the supported wikis decrease to **64 %**. The line of **50 %** is with  
mw 1.21 and above. The most used mw version are 1.26 with **16 %** and 1.16 
with **10 %**. LTS are mw 1.19, 1.23, 1.27, 1.31 and 1.35.
  
  Supporting older mw versions has following aspects:
  
  - We should support important mw versions if pywikibot is used there; the 
last aspect cannot be validated I guess. I think the supporting line should not 
decrease 50 % then.
  - On the other hand supported mw versions must be tested. Can we find a test 
cluster for all of them? Does it increase CI Tests a lot?
  - Older mw may make it more difficult for further developing. We are only a 
few developers and we cannot do both: Keeping pace with ongoing development of 
current mw versions and support older mw. We cannot spend a lot of time for 
older versions with a handful people.
  - Probably we can solve this Problem above with a better versioning of our 
framework and a support matrix published somewere which shows the Python 
versions and MediaWiki versions supported. Maybe drop support of Python 2.7 and 
Python 3.4 and MediaWiki below 1.19 with next say 4.0 framework version. The 
next step can be dropping Python 3.5 and mw below 1.23 in 2021 with 5.0 
Framework or sth like this.

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  Yeah, that's a good question. We dropped genealogy wikis recently (MW 1.14), 
Fandom wikis will move soon. What next major wiki farm with old MediaWiki 
should we support? Any idea? What Wikiapiary says?

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  As for now Fandom only enabled 1.33 platform for new wikis. They'll start 
moving old 1.19 wikis to the new platform soon and continue the process within 
following months. They're also about to update new platform regularly to stay 
up-to-date with WMF's version of MW.
  
  More info: 
https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Unified_Community_Platform:_The_Vision,_Purpose,_and_Process

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  Yes, not now, but what should the minimum version be to support once all old 
Fandom wikis are migrated.

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  Umm, not completely, afaics it is currently in phase two where only new 
Fandom wikis are 1.33, but old are still 1.19 (with some parts from cca 1.11), 
otherwise our Fandom tests would be green already :D

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