Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-02 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 This projects depends on volunteer efforts.  We have many routine
 tasks that need to be performed during a release cycle and even during
 ordinarily operation of our website and other public-facing services.

 In many cases a given task is well-understood and many members of the
 project understand how to do it.  For example, moderating the mailing
 lists.  In other areas we might only have a single person who really
 understands how to do a task.   We also have many volunteers, signing
 up on the mailing list and asking how to help, on nearly a daily
 basis.

 There should be a way that we can more clearly identify what the
 routine tasks are, who knows how to do them, who wants to learn how to
 do them, and who is willing to mentor or teach others how to get
 started.

 So I've started the following wiki page to track some of the most
 common tasks in the project:


 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Skills,+Resources+and+Mentors

 Feel free to insert additional tasks, or to add your name as an
 expert, mentor or someone who wants to learn.

 (Of course there are many other routine tasks performed by Apache
 Infra and not listed here.  I'm focused on the tasks that are owned by
 the AOO project)

 This might also help is identify areas where we are currently
 dependent on a single person and want to train a backup, to cover for
 holidays, etc.

 Regards,

 -Rob

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 I think this is lovely idea but I'm a bit confused over what you mean by
 Learning Resources -- are you thinking people, or web resources or ???


I was thinking of web resources.   So overall the page lists tasks and
skills, and also the resources needed to learn how to perform those
tasks: web resources and experts/mentors in the project.

-Rob



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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-01 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Maybe we should move this to MWiki and avoid the hassle.
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On Tue Oct   1 00:14:21 2013 Rainer Bielefeld 
rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote:
 Tal Daniel schrieb:
  But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu).
 
 Hi,
 
 I can confirm that problem. I am not familiar with with cwiki, but I 
 added myself to Directory of volunteers, where I currently also can't 
 find a way how to edit that page.
 
 It seems currently cwiki only can be edited by very few persons?
 
 CU
 
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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-01 Thread Herbert Duerr

On 01.10.2013 07:14, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Tal Daniel schrieb:

But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu).


Hi,

I can confirm that problem. I am not familiar with with cwiki, but I
added myself to Directory of volunteers, where I currently also can't
find a way how to edit that page.

It seems currently cwiki only can be edited by very few persons?


I cannot edit pages in the cwiki either. I was able to do it last week, 
but this week I can't, because the edit-page option is missing. Is this 
lock-out a collateral damage of the release notes being protected?


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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:
 On 01.10.2013 07:14, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

 Tal Daniel schrieb:

 But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu).


 Hi,

 I can confirm that problem. I am not familiar with with cwiki, but I
 added myself to Directory of volunteers, where I currently also can't
 find a way how to edit that page.

 It seems currently cwiki only can be edited by very few persons?


 I cannot edit pages in the cwiki either. I was able to do it last week, but
 this week I can't, because the edit-page option is missing. Is this lock-out
 a collateral damage of the release notes being protected?


The web page says: No edit restrictions are defined for this page.
This is under Tools/Restrictions menu item.  Do you see something
differenent?

I was able to edit it (of course).  It looks like Andrea was as well.

-Rob


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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-01 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Rob Weir schrieb:


The web page says: No edit restrictions are defined for this page.


Hi Rob,

I see the same, but unfortunately I see no Click here to edit page 
link. I can't remember where it was, but because of the other comments 
here I think it's not a problem with my memory, but simply the edit link 
is invisible for users with low permission level.


Can you send a screenshot showing where the Click for Edit function 
should be visible (or attach it in a new Bug for this issue)?


CU

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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-01 Thread Herbert Duerr

On 01.10.2013 14:03, Rob Weir wrote:

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:

On 01.10.2013 07:14, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:


Tal Daniel schrieb:


But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu).



Hi,

I can confirm that problem. I am not familiar with with cwiki, but I
added myself to Directory of volunteers, where I currently also can't
find a way how to edit that page.

It seems currently cwiki only can be edited by very few persons?



I cannot edit pages in the cwiki either. I was able to do it last week, but
this week I can't, because the edit-page option is missing. Is this lock-out
a collateral damage of the release notes being protected?



The web page says: No edit restrictions are defined for this page.
This is under Tools/Restrictions menu item.  Do you see something
differenent?


I'm logged in and that Restrictions page says that:
No view restrictions are defined for this page
No edit restrictions are defined for this page

But the Edit link that used to be on the page (left to the Share 
link) is missing. That edit link is still visible on a page that I 
haven't refreshed since last week. I'm sure it will be gone there too if 
I reload the page. Also the Add link, which used to be between the 
Share and the Tools link is missing.



I was able to edit it (of course).  It looks like Andrea was as well.


Do you happen to have the admin role in our CWikis?

Herbert

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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Rainer Bielefeld
rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote:
 Rob Weir schrieb:


 The web page says: No edit restrictions are defined for this page.


 Hi Rob,

 I see the same, but unfortunately I see no Click here to edit page link. I
 can't remember where it was, but because of the other comments here I think
 it's not a problem with my memory, but simply the edit link is invisible for
 users with low permission level.


Upper right corner of page: Edit, Share, Add, Tools menu items.


 Can you send a screenshot showing where the Click for Edit function should
 be visible (or attach it in a new Bug for this issue)?


 CU

 Rainer

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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-01 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Rob Weir schrieb:


Upper right corner of page: Edit, Share, Add, Tools menu items.



Hi Rob,

Als long as I am not logged in I only see Tools, after LogIn 
additionally Share.


But not Edit, Add. And I am pretty sure that they were available for 
me few weeks ago.


CU

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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-10-01 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Rainer Bielefeld
rainerbielefeld_ooo...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote:
 Rob Weir schrieb:


 Upper right corner of page: Edit, Share, Add, Tools menu items.



 Hi Rob,

 Als long as I am not logged in I only see Tools, after LogIn additionally
 Share.

 But not Edit, Add. And I am pretty sure that they were available for me
 few weeks ago.


OK.  There were some changes made to the ACL to prevent accidental
changes to the release notes.  But the impact of the ACL change was
supposed to be limited to the release notes.  I'll see if I can find
more.  I'll resend the root email when we can all actually edit the
wiki ;-)

-Rob



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Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-09-30 Thread Tal Daniel
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


 [...] There should be a way that we can more clearly identify [...] who
 knows how to do [...], who wants to learn how to [...], and who is willing
 to mentor or teach others how to get
 started.

 So I've started the following wiki page to track some of the most
 common tasks in the project:

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Skills,+Resources+and+Mentors

 Feel free to insert additional tasks, or to add your name as an
 expert, mentor or someone who wants to learn.


Rob, nice idea (somewhat overlaps the existing Directory of Volunteers
page),
But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu).

Tal


Re: Skills, Resources and Mentors

2013-09-30 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Tal Daniel schrieb:

But I couldn't edit the wiki page (I'm logged in to as Talchu).


Hi,

I can confirm that problem. I am not familiar with with cwiki, but I 
added myself to Directory of volunteers, where I currently also can't 
find a way how to edit that page.


It seems currently cwiki only can be edited by very few persons?

CU

Rainer

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