Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 2/8] vhost-user.rst: Improve [GS]ET_VRING_BASE doc
On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 03:58:44PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > On 06.10.23 15:55, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > > On 06.10.23 10:49, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 09:53:53AM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > > > > On 05.10.23 19:38, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:58PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` > > > > > :id: 11 > > > > > :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` > > > > > :request payload: vring state description > > > > > - :reply payload: vring state description > > > > > + :reply payload: vring descriptor index/indices > > > > > + > > > > > + Stops the vring and returns the current descriptor index > > > > > or indices: > > > > > + > > > > > + * For a split virtqueue, returns only the 16-bit next descriptor > > > > > + index in the *Available Ring*. The index in the *Used Ring* is > > > > > + controlled by the guest driver and can be read from the vring > > > > > I find "is controlled by the guest driver" confusing. The > > > > > device writes > > > > > the Used Ring index. The driver only reads it. The device is > > > > > the active > > > > > party here. > > > > Er, good point. That breaks the whole reasoning. Then I don’t > > > > understand > > > > why we do get/set the available ring index and not the used ring > > > > index. Do > > > > you know why? > > > It's simple. used ring index in memory is controlled by the device and > > > reflects device state. > > > > Exactly, it’s device state, that’s why I thought the front-end needs to > > ensure its read and restored around the reset we currently have in > > vhost_dev_stop()/start(). > > > > > device can just read it back to restore. > > > > I find it strange that the device is supposed to read its own state from > > memory. > > > > > available ring index in memory is controlled by driver and does > > > not reflect device state. > > > > Why can’t the device read the available index from memory? That value > > is put into memory by the driver precisely so the device can read it > > from there. > > Ah, wait, is the idea that the device may have an internal available index > counter that reflects what descriptor it has already fetched? I.e. this > index will lag behind the one in memory, and the difference are new > descriptors that the device still needs to read? If that internal counter is > the index that’s get/set here, then yes, that makes a lot of sense. > > Hanna Exactly. And this gets eventually written out as used index. -- MST
Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 2/8] vhost-user.rst: Improve [GS]ET_VRING_BASE doc
On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 03:55:56PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > On 06.10.23 10:49, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 09:53:53AM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > > > On 05.10.23 19:38, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: > > > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:58PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > > > > > GET_VRING_BASE does not mention that it stops the respective ring. > > > > > Fix > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, it is not fully clear what the "base offset" these > > > > > commands' documentation refers to is; an offset could be many things. > > > > > Be more precise and verbose about it, especially given that these > > > > > commands use different payload structures depending on whether the > > > > > vring > > > > > is split or packed. > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Hanna Czenczek > > > > > --- > > > > >docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 66 > > > > > ++--- > > > > >1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) > > > > > > > > > > diff --git a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst > > > > > index 2f68e67a1a..50f5acebe5 100644 > > > > > --- a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst > > > > > +++ b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst > > > > > @@ -108,6 +108,37 @@ A vring state description > > > > >:num: a 32-bit number > > > > > +A vring descriptor index for split virtqueues > > > > > +^ > > > > > + > > > > > ++-+-+ > > > > > +| vring index | index in avail ring | > > > > > ++-+-+ > > > > > + > > > > > +:vring index: 32-bit index of the respective virtqueue > > > > > + > > > > > +:index in avail ring: 32-bit value, of which currently only the > > > > > lower 16 > > > > > + bits are used: > > > > > + > > > > > + - Bits 0–15: Next descriptor index in the *Available Ring* > > > > I think we need to say more to make this implementable just by reading > > > > the spec: > > > > > > > > Index of the next *Available Ring* descriptor that the back-end will > > > > process. This is a free-running index that is not wrapped by the > > > > ring > > > > size. > > > Sure, thanks. > > > > > > > Feel free to rephrase. > > > > > > > > > + - Bits 16–31: Reserved (set to zero) > > > > > + > > > > > +Vring descriptor indices for packed virtqueues > > > > > +^^ > > > > > + > > > > > ++-++ > > > > > +| vring index | descriptor indices | > > > > > ++-++ > > > > > + > > > > > +:vring index: 32-bit index of the respective virtqueue > > > > > + > > > > > +:descriptor indices: 32-bit value: > > > > > + > > > > > + - Bits 0–14: Index in the *Available Ring* > > > > Same here. > > > > > > > > > + - Bit 15: Driver (Available) Ring Wrap Counter > > > > > + - Bits 16–30: Index in the *Used Ring* > > > > Same here. > > > > > > > > > + - Bit 31: Device (Used) Ring Wrap Counter > > > > > + > > > > >A vring address description > > > > >^^^ > > > > > @@ -1031,18 +1062,45 @@ Front-end message types > > > > >``VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_BASE`` > > > > > :id: 10 > > > > > :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_SET_VRING_BASE`` > > > > > - :request payload: vring state description > > > > > + :request payload: vring descriptor index/indices > > > > > :reply payload: N/A > > > > > - Sets the base offset in the available vring. > > > > > + Sets the next index to use for descriptors in this vring: > > > > > + > > > > > + * For a split virtqueue, sets only the next descriptor index in the > > > > > +*Available Ring*. The device is supposed to read the next index > > > > > in > > > > > +the *Used Ring* from the respective vring structure in guest > > > > > memory. > > > > > + > > > > > + * For a packed virtqueue, both indices are supplied, as they are > > > > > not > > > > > +explicitly available in memory. > > > > > + > > > > > + Consequently, the payload type is specific to the type of virt > > > > > queue > > > > > + (*a vring descriptor index for split virtqueues* vs. *vring > > > > > descriptor > > > > > + indices for packed virtqueues*). > > > > >``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` > > > > > :id: 11 > > > > > :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` > > > > > :request payload: vring state description > > > > > - :reply payload: vring state description > > > > > + :reply payload: vring descriptor index/indices > > > > > + > > > > > + Stops the vring and returns the current descriptor index or > > > > > indices: > > > > > + > > > > > +* For a split virtqueue, returns only the 16-bit next descriptor > > > > > + index in the *Available Ring*. The index in the *Used Ring* is > > > > > + controlled by the guest driver and can be read from the vring > > > > I find "is controlled by the guest driver" confusing. The device writes > > > > the
Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 2/8] vhost-user.rst: Improve [GS]ET_VRING_BASE doc
On 06.10.23 15:55, Hanna Czenczek wrote: On 06.10.23 10:49, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 09:53:53AM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: On 05.10.23 19:38, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:58PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: [...] ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` :id: 11 :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` :request payload: vring state description - :reply payload: vring state description + :reply payload: vring descriptor index/indices + + Stops the vring and returns the current descriptor index or indices: + + * For a split virtqueue, returns only the 16-bit next descriptor + index in the *Available Ring*. The index in the *Used Ring* is + controlled by the guest driver and can be read from the vring I find "is controlled by the guest driver" confusing. The device writes the Used Ring index. The driver only reads it. The device is the active party here. Er, good point. That breaks the whole reasoning. Then I don’t understand why we do get/set the available ring index and not the used ring index. Do you know why? It's simple. used ring index in memory is controlled by the device and reflects device state. Exactly, it’s device state, that’s why I thought the front-end needs to ensure its read and restored around the reset we currently have in vhost_dev_stop()/start(). device can just read it back to restore. I find it strange that the device is supposed to read its own state from memory. available ring index in memory is controlled by driver and does not reflect device state. Why can’t the device read the available index from memory? That value is put into memory by the driver precisely so the device can read it from there. Ah, wait, is the idea that the device may have an internal available index counter that reflects what descriptor it has already fetched? I.e. this index will lag behind the one in memory, and the difference are new descriptors that the device still needs to read? If that internal counter is the index that’s get/set here, then yes, that makes a lot of sense. Hanna
Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 2/8] vhost-user.rst: Improve [GS]ET_VRING_BASE doc
On 06.10.23 10:49, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 09:53:53AM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: On 05.10.23 19:38, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:58PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: GET_VRING_BASE does not mention that it stops the respective ring. Fix that. Furthermore, it is not fully clear what the "base offset" these commands' documentation refers to is; an offset could be many things. Be more precise and verbose about it, especially given that these commands use different payload structures depending on whether the vring is split or packed. Signed-off-by: Hanna Czenczek --- docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 66 ++--- 1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst index 2f68e67a1a..50f5acebe5 100644 --- a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst +++ b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst @@ -108,6 +108,37 @@ A vring state description :num: a 32-bit number +A vring descriptor index for split virtqueues +^ + ++-+-+ +| vring index | index in avail ring | ++-+-+ + +:vring index: 32-bit index of the respective virtqueue + +:index in avail ring: 32-bit value, of which currently only the lower 16 + bits are used: + + - Bits 0–15: Next descriptor index in the *Available Ring* I think we need to say more to make this implementable just by reading the spec: Index of the next *Available Ring* descriptor that the back-end will process. This is a free-running index that is not wrapped by the ring size. Sure, thanks. Feel free to rephrase. + - Bits 16–31: Reserved (set to zero) + +Vring descriptor indices for packed virtqueues +^^ + ++-++ +| vring index | descriptor indices | ++-++ + +:vring index: 32-bit index of the respective virtqueue + +:descriptor indices: 32-bit value: + + - Bits 0–14: Index in the *Available Ring* Same here. + - Bit 15: Driver (Available) Ring Wrap Counter + - Bits 16–30: Index in the *Used Ring* Same here. + - Bit 31: Device (Used) Ring Wrap Counter + A vring address description ^^^ @@ -1031,18 +1062,45 @@ Front-end message types ``VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_BASE`` :id: 10 :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_SET_VRING_BASE`` - :request payload: vring state description + :request payload: vring descriptor index/indices :reply payload: N/A - Sets the base offset in the available vring. + Sets the next index to use for descriptors in this vring: + + * For a split virtqueue, sets only the next descriptor index in the +*Available Ring*. The device is supposed to read the next index in +the *Used Ring* from the respective vring structure in guest memory. + + * For a packed virtqueue, both indices are supplied, as they are not +explicitly available in memory. + + Consequently, the payload type is specific to the type of virt queue + (*a vring descriptor index for split virtqueues* vs. *vring descriptor + indices for packed virtqueues*). ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` :id: 11 :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` :request payload: vring state description - :reply payload: vring state description + :reply payload: vring descriptor index/indices + + Stops the vring and returns the current descriptor index or indices: + +* For a split virtqueue, returns only the 16-bit next descriptor + index in the *Available Ring*. The index in the *Used Ring* is + controlled by the guest driver and can be read from the vring I find "is controlled by the guest driver" confusing. The device writes the Used Ring index. The driver only reads it. The device is the active party here. Er, good point. That breaks the whole reasoning. Then I don’t understand why we do get/set the available ring index and not the used ring index. Do you know why? It's simple. used ring index in memory is controlled by the device and reflects device state. Exactly, it’s device state, that’s why I thought the front-end needs to ensure its read and restored around the reset we currently have in vhost_dev_stop()/start(). device can just read it back to restore. I find it strange that the device is supposed to read its own state from memory. available ring index in memory is controlled by driver and does not reflect device state. Why can’t the device read the available index from memory? That value is put into memory by the driver precisely so the device can read it from there. Hanna
Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 2/8] vhost-user.rst: Improve [GS]ET_VRING_BASE doc
On Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 09:53:53AM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > On 05.10.23 19:38, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:58PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: > > > GET_VRING_BASE does not mention that it stops the respective ring. Fix > > > that. > > > > > > Furthermore, it is not fully clear what the "base offset" these > > > commands' documentation refers to is; an offset could be many things. > > > Be more precise and verbose about it, especially given that these > > > commands use different payload structures depending on whether the vring > > > is split or packed. > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Hanna Czenczek > > > --- > > > docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 66 ++--- > > > 1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) > > > > > > diff --git a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst > > > index 2f68e67a1a..50f5acebe5 100644 > > > --- a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst > > > +++ b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst > > > @@ -108,6 +108,37 @@ A vring state description > > > :num: a 32-bit number > > > +A vring descriptor index for split virtqueues > > > +^ > > > + > > > ++-+-+ > > > +| vring index | index in avail ring | > > > ++-+-+ > > > + > > > +:vring index: 32-bit index of the respective virtqueue > > > + > > > +:index in avail ring: 32-bit value, of which currently only the lower 16 > > > + bits are used: > > > + > > > + - Bits 0–15: Next descriptor index in the *Available Ring* > > I think we need to say more to make this implementable just by reading > > the spec: > > > >Index of the next *Available Ring* descriptor that the back-end will > >process. This is a free-running index that is not wrapped by the ring > >size. > > Sure, thanks. > > > Feel free to rephrase. > > > > > + - Bits 16–31: Reserved (set to zero) > > > + > > > +Vring descriptor indices for packed virtqueues > > > +^^ > > > + > > > ++-++ > > > +| vring index | descriptor indices | > > > ++-++ > > > + > > > +:vring index: 32-bit index of the respective virtqueue > > > + > > > +:descriptor indices: 32-bit value: > > > + > > > + - Bits 0–14: Index in the *Available Ring* > > Same here. > > > > > + - Bit 15: Driver (Available) Ring Wrap Counter > > > + - Bits 16–30: Index in the *Used Ring* > > Same here. > > > > > + - Bit 31: Device (Used) Ring Wrap Counter > > > + > > > A vring address description > > > ^^^ > > > @@ -1031,18 +1062,45 @@ Front-end message types > > > ``VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_BASE`` > > > :id: 10 > > > :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_SET_VRING_BASE`` > > > - :request payload: vring state description > > > + :request payload: vring descriptor index/indices > > > :reply payload: N/A > > > - Sets the base offset in the available vring. > > > + Sets the next index to use for descriptors in this vring: > > > + > > > + * For a split virtqueue, sets only the next descriptor index in the > > > +*Available Ring*. The device is supposed to read the next index in > > > +the *Used Ring* from the respective vring structure in guest memory. > > > + > > > + * For a packed virtqueue, both indices are supplied, as they are not > > > +explicitly available in memory. > > > + > > > + Consequently, the payload type is specific to the type of virt queue > > > + (*a vring descriptor index for split virtqueues* vs. *vring descriptor > > > + indices for packed virtqueues*). > > > ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` > > > :id: 11 > > > :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` > > > :request payload: vring state description > > > - :reply payload: vring state description > > > + :reply payload: vring descriptor index/indices > > > + > > > + Stops the vring and returns the current descriptor index or indices: > > > + > > > +* For a split virtqueue, returns only the 16-bit next descriptor > > > + index in the *Available Ring*. The index in the *Used Ring* is > > > + controlled by the guest driver and can be read from the vring > > I find "is controlled by the guest driver" confusing. The device writes > > the Used Ring index. The driver only reads it. The device is the active > > party here. > > Er, good point. That breaks the whole reasoning. Then I don’t understand > why we do get/set the available ring index and not the used ring index. Do > you know why? It's simple. used ring index in memory is controlled by the device and reflects device state. device can just read it back to restore. available ring index in memory is controlled by driver and does not reflect device state. > > The sentence can be shortened to omit the "controlled by the guest > > driver" part. > > I don’t want to shorten it, because I would like to know why we don’t > get/set
Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 2/8] vhost-user.rst: Improve [GS]ET_VRING_BASE doc
On 05.10.23 19:38, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:58PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote: GET_VRING_BASE does not mention that it stops the respective ring. Fix that. Furthermore, it is not fully clear what the "base offset" these commands' documentation refers to is; an offset could be many things. Be more precise and verbose about it, especially given that these commands use different payload structures depending on whether the vring is split or packed. Signed-off-by: Hanna Czenczek --- docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 66 ++--- 1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst index 2f68e67a1a..50f5acebe5 100644 --- a/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst +++ b/docs/interop/vhost-user.rst @@ -108,6 +108,37 @@ A vring state description :num: a 32-bit number +A vring descriptor index for split virtqueues +^ + ++-+-+ +| vring index | index in avail ring | ++-+-+ + +:vring index: 32-bit index of the respective virtqueue + +:index in avail ring: 32-bit value, of which currently only the lower 16 + bits are used: + + - Bits 0–15: Next descriptor index in the *Available Ring* I think we need to say more to make this implementable just by reading the spec: Index of the next *Available Ring* descriptor that the back-end will process. This is a free-running index that is not wrapped by the ring size. Sure, thanks. Feel free to rephrase. + - Bits 16–31: Reserved (set to zero) + +Vring descriptor indices for packed virtqueues +^^ + ++-++ +| vring index | descriptor indices | ++-++ + +:vring index: 32-bit index of the respective virtqueue + +:descriptor indices: 32-bit value: + + - Bits 0–14: Index in the *Available Ring* Same here. + - Bit 15: Driver (Available) Ring Wrap Counter + - Bits 16–30: Index in the *Used Ring* Same here. + - Bit 31: Device (Used) Ring Wrap Counter + A vring address description ^^^ @@ -1031,18 +1062,45 @@ Front-end message types ``VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_BASE`` :id: 10 :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_SET_VRING_BASE`` - :request payload: vring state description + :request payload: vring descriptor index/indices :reply payload: N/A - Sets the base offset in the available vring. + Sets the next index to use for descriptors in this vring: + + * For a split virtqueue, sets only the next descriptor index in the +*Available Ring*. The device is supposed to read the next index in +the *Used Ring* from the respective vring structure in guest memory. + + * For a packed virtqueue, both indices are supplied, as they are not +explicitly available in memory. + + Consequently, the payload type is specific to the type of virt queue + (*a vring descriptor index for split virtqueues* vs. *vring descriptor + indices for packed virtqueues*). ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` :id: 11 :equivalent ioctl: ``VHOST_USER_GET_VRING_BASE`` :request payload: vring state description - :reply payload: vring state description + :reply payload: vring descriptor index/indices + + Stops the vring and returns the current descriptor index or indices: + +* For a split virtqueue, returns only the 16-bit next descriptor + index in the *Available Ring*. The index in the *Used Ring* is + controlled by the guest driver and can be read from the vring I find "is controlled by the guest driver" confusing. The device writes the Used Ring index. The driver only reads it. The device is the active party here. Er, good point. That breaks the whole reasoning. Then I don’t understand why we do get/set the available ring index and not the used ring index. Do you know why? The sentence can be shortened to omit the "controlled by the guest driver" part. I don’t want to shorten it, because I would like to know why we don’t get/set both indices for split virtqueues, too. Hanna + structure in memory, so is not covered. + +* For a packed virtqueue, neither index is explicitly available to + read from memory, so both indices (as maintained by the device) are + returned. + + Consequently, the payload type is specific to the type of virt queue + (*a vring descriptor index for split virtqueues* vs. *vring descriptor + indices for packed virtqueues*). - Get the available vring base offset. + The request payload’s *num* field is currently reserved and must be + set to 0. ``VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_KICK`` :id: 12 -- 2.41.0 ___ Virtio-fs mailing list virtio...@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/virtio-fs
