Re: [QGIS-Developer] [Qgis-user] QGIS 3 Print Composer - Page Properties

2018-04-03 Thread Alexandre Neto 
Nyall Dawson  escreveu no dia terça, 3/04/2018 às
05:16:

> On 3 April 2018 at 07:06, Carlo A. Bertelli (Charta s.r.l.)
>
> I've thought long on this. I'm reasonably convinced it's a short-term
> issue as people adjust there 2.x workflows to 3.0.
>

Although this is true, I still think it is not very intuitive for newcomers.

>
> There's two approaches I can see working to mitigate it:
>
> 1. Add a "pages panel", which allows you to pick from existing pages
> (e.g. via a drop-down combo box) and then set the properties for that
> page. It could also have the actions for adding new pages and deleting
> existing pages there too.
>
>
This would be the way I prefer, or include that same "widgetery" in the
layout properties. The "current" page could update based on the portion of
layout that is visible, as already happens for the grids panel.


> and/or
>
> 2. Add a "new layout wizard", which shows when you create a new print
> layout. This would prompt users to set the page size before the layout
> is actually created. It could potentially replace the existing layout
> manager approach to creating layouts from a template, e.g. by showing
> a nice list of available templates via thumbnail graphics.
>
>
I love the idea of having a list of available templates with some
thumbnails. But it won't fix the issue of not being trivial to see a pages
properties once te layout is created.


> Unfortunately both approaches aren't trivial, and would require some
> hours to implement.
>
>
"Small" crowdfunding? :)


> Nyall
>
>
> > c
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Alessandro Pasotti 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The reason for this change is that your can now have different settings
> >> for each page.
> >>
> >> The page size is not a property of the layout anymore but it's a
> property
> >> of the page.
> >>
> >> But I agree that the page properties might be better exposed.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 21:56 C Hamilton  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was just going to ask what happened to the "Page Size" properties in
> >>> the QGIS 3 print composer, but I stumbled upon it accidentally by
> >>> right-mouse clicking on the page and selecting "Page Properties." This
> was
> >>> not easily found. In the QGIS 2 print compose it is a part of the
> layout. In
> >>> QGIS 3 I just lucked out.
> >>>
> >>> Could the page properties be more obvious to find? At lease add them to
> >>> the Layout or Edit menus or put them back under the layout settings.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Calvin
> >
> >
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] [Qgis-user] QGIS 3 Print Composer - Page Properties

2018-04-03 Thread Tom Chadwin 
I've only recently looked at layouts, so apologies if this is not helpful.
How about, in the right-hand tab of the right-hand menu (is it called
Items?), there is a permanent item, perhaps in italics, called Page, and at
the top of that panel, some indication of which page is currently selected?
You could then change which page is selected by clicking any item on it.

This would then mean that the second tab could be used for page properties
as it is for item properties. 

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] [Qgis-user] QGIS 3 Print Composer - Page Properties

2018-04-03 Thread Andreas Neumann 
Hi Nyall, 

I also think that the current situation where the page properties are
only exposed on right-click is not so ideal. From your two options you
list I would prefer option 1 with the separate "pages" panel. I don't
think that wizards are so effective - definitely not for experienced
users. I also don't like it when extra windows pop up. It would be nice
to get rid of the "layout manager" for the long term. Opening separate
windows is often confusing for people - these windows often hide below
other windows and sometimes they block QGIS while that other dialog
window is waiting for user interaction - not so ideal. 

Can you estimate how much work option 1 (pages panel) would be? Could
this be included in an upcoming crowd funding campaign with print
composer improvements? 

Thanks for your reply, 

Andreas 

On 2018-04-03 06:16, Nyall Dawson wrote:

> On 3 April 2018 at 07:06, Carlo A. Bertelli (Charta s.r.l.)
>  wrote: 
> 
>> I suggest to provide the same interface as version 2 calling this "default
>> page size" and explaining that every page could get a different size,
>> right-clicking on the page. Most users make one-page maps and they would
>> never need this otherwise vital feature.
> 
> I've thought long on this. I'm reasonably convinced it's a short-term
> issue as people adjust there 2.x workflows to 3.0.
> 
> There's two approaches I can see working to mitigate it:
> 
> 1. Add a "pages panel", which allows you to pick from existing pages
> (e.g. via a drop-down combo box) and then set the properties for that
> page. It could also have the actions for adding new pages and deleting
> existing pages there too.
> 
> and/or
> 
> 2. Add a "new layout wizard", which shows when you create a new print
> layout. This would prompt users to set the page size before the layout
> is actually created. It could potentially replace the existing layout
> manager approach to creating layouts from a template, e.g. by showing
> a nice list of available templates via thumbnail graphics.
> 
> Unfortunately both approaches aren't trivial, and would require some
> hours to implement.
> 
> Nyall
> 
> c
> 
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Alessandro Pasotti 
> wrote: 
> The reason for this change is that your can now have different settings
> for each page.
> 
> The page size is not a property of the layout anymore but it's a property
> of the page.
> 
> But I agree that the page properties might be better exposed.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 21:56 C Hamilton  wrote: 
> I was just going to ask what happened to the "Page Size" properties in
> the QGIS 3 print composer, but I stumbled upon it accidentally by
> right-mouse clicking on the page and selecting "Page Properties." This was
> not easily found. In the QGIS 2 print compose it is a part of the layout. In
> QGIS 3 I just lucked out.
> 
> Could the page properties be more obvious to find? At lease add them to
> the Layout or Edit menus or put them back under the layout settings.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Calvin

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Re: [QGIS-Developer] [Qgis-user] QGIS 3 Print Composer - Page Properties

2018-04-02 Thread Nyall Dawson 
On 3 April 2018 at 07:06, Carlo A. Bertelli (Charta s.r.l.)
 wrote:
> I suggest to provide the same interface as version 2 calling this "default
> page size" and explaining that every page could get a different size,
> right-clicking on the page. Most users make one-page maps and they would
> never need this otherwise vital feature.

I've thought long on this. I'm reasonably convinced it's a short-term
issue as people adjust there 2.x workflows to 3.0.

There's two approaches I can see working to mitigate it:

1. Add a "pages panel", which allows you to pick from existing pages
(e.g. via a drop-down combo box) and then set the properties for that
page. It could also have the actions for adding new pages and deleting
existing pages there too.

and/or

2. Add a "new layout wizard", which shows when you create a new print
layout. This would prompt users to set the page size before the layout
is actually created. It could potentially replace the existing layout
manager approach to creating layouts from a template, e.g. by showing
a nice list of available templates via thumbnail graphics.

Unfortunately both approaches aren't trivial, and would require some
hours to implement.

Nyall


> c
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Alessandro Pasotti 
> wrote:
>>
>> The reason for this change is that your can now have different settings
>> for each page.
>>
>> The page size is not a property of the layout anymore but it's a property
>> of the page.
>>
>> But I agree that the page properties might be better exposed.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 21:56 C Hamilton  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was just going to ask what happened to the "Page Size" properties in
>>> the QGIS 3 print composer, but I stumbled upon it accidentally by
>>> right-mouse clicking on the page and selecting "Page Properties." This was
>>> not easily found. In the QGIS 2 print compose it is a part of the layout. In
>>> QGIS 3 I just lucked out.
>>>
>>> Could the page properties be more obvious to find? At lease add them to
>>> the Layout or Edit menus or put them back under the layout settings.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Calvin
>
>
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