Re: [QGIS-Developer] Vote for Lat Lon Tools Default Coordinate Order - YX or XY

[Syd Visser]

In the 1970 to early 1980 when I started working with computers almost 
everything was N E and Lon Lat. Z was also positive down and azimuth 
positive from North to East (good old right hand rule) since most of the 
work was for drilling or mine workings this worked fine.


If you look back at grass3 or 4 it was mostly N E. But somewhere in the 
1990 almost everything changed to E N and Lat Lon and Z up and by grass6 
I think everything was converted. I am not sure why this happened or 
what the reasoning was maybe because some GIS people started realizing 
the earth was not flat. All of this was fine except that the Azimuth did 
not change so the real problem now is that the azimuth is still positive 
from North to East. So personally to get things right instead of left I 
think the Azimuth should now change to being positive from East to North 
or at least North to West. Good luck with that.


Syd

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On 2020-11-21 10:45 a.m., C Hamilton wrote:
I appreciate everyone's ideas and opinions. I think that for now I 
will leave Lat Lon Tools as it currently operates, but I will look 
over the suggestions to see if I can make sure the options are as 
clear as possible.


Thanks once again for your input.

Calvin


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 3:52 AM Richard Duivenvoorde 
mailto:rdmaili...@duif.net>> wrote:


On 11/20/20 6:10 PM, C Hamilton wrote:
> It was suggested to me that the default coordinate order in the
Lat Lon Tools plugin for coordinate capture and zoom-to tools
should be "longitude, latitude" or "X, Y". Originally, Lat Lon
Tools was designed to work with on-line maps which are generally
"latitude, longitude" order.
>
> You can always go into the plugin settings and specify which
order you want and that order will be preserved everytime you
launch QGIS. The default order is only applicable the first time
you install "Lat Lon Tools" or if you do a reset to defaults in
the Lat Lon Tools settings menu,
>
> Who prefers Lat Lon Tools to default to "longitude, latitude" or
"X, Y" when the plugin is first installed or reset to default values?
>
> Who prefers Lat Lon Tools to default to "latitude, longitude
(Google map order)" or "Y, X" when the plugin is first installed
or reset to default values?

I'm a little late on the table :-) As descision already cast:

https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/qgis-latlontools-plugin/issues/53#issuecomment-731070055
and fine with it, just want to add:

I'm not a geo-guy by original trade and working with
scientists/911 peeps at the moment, who favour the math-way of
exchanching coordinates (2 dimensional values): X,Y.

If I were 'boss geo', I'd never use lonlat or latlon terms, only
use (decimal!) degrees or x,y :-)
(people tend to mix lat lon up all the time, they never do with x,y).

In my use-case, the Lat Lon Tools plugin is used in a very
pluriform, international environment where coordinates from all
kind of crs's are to be mixed/converted (often one pair at a
time...). Why would you use YX in one crs and XY in other crs's?
It's just not very efficient to have that choice. Just like
meters/feet, point/comma delimeters in numbers etc etc. This
screams for conversion issues ...

Ah, and while on it, let's all speak Esparanto (and keep the
number of QGIS translation builds low) ;-)

Korajn salutojn,

Richard Duivenvoorde


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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Vote for Lat Lon Tools Default Coordinate Order - YX or XY

[C Hamilton]

I appreciate everyone's ideas and opinions. I think that for now I will
leave Lat Lon Tools as it currently operates, but I will look over the
suggestions to see if I can make sure the options are as clear as possible.

Thanks once again for your input.

Calvin


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 3:52 AM Richard Duivenvoorde 
wrote:

> On 11/20/20 6:10 PM, C Hamilton wrote:
> > It was suggested to me that the default coordinate order in the Lat Lon
> Tools plugin for coordinate capture and zoom-to tools should be "longitude,
> latitude" or "X, Y". Originally, Lat Lon Tools was designed to work with
> on-line maps which are generally "latitude, longitude" order.
> >
> > You can always go into the plugin settings and specify which order you
> want and that order will be preserved everytime you launch QGIS. The
> default order is only applicable the first time you install "Lat Lon Tools"
> or if you do a reset to defaults in the Lat Lon Tools settings menu,
> >
> > Who prefers Lat Lon Tools to default to "longitude, latitude" or "X, Y"
> when the plugin is first installed or reset to default values?
> >
> > Who prefers Lat Lon Tools to default to "latitude, longitude (Google map
> order)" or "Y, X" when the plugin is first installed or reset to default
> values?
>
> I'm a little late on the table :-) As descision already cast:
>
> https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/qgis-latlontools-plugin/issues/53#issuecomment-731070055
> and fine with it, just want to add:
>
> I'm not a geo-guy by original trade and working with scientists/911 peeps
> at the moment, who favour the math-way of exchanching coordinates (2
> dimensional values): X,Y.
>
> If I were 'boss geo', I'd never use lonlat or latlon terms, only use
> (decimal!) degrees or x,y :-)
> (people tend to mix lat lon up all the time, they never do with x,y).
>
> In my use-case, the Lat Lon Tools plugin is used in a very pluriform,
> international environment where coordinates from all kind of crs's are to
> be mixed/converted (often one pair at a time...). Why would you use YX in
> one crs and XY in other crs's? It's just not very efficient to have that
> choice. Just like meters/feet, point/comma delimeters in numbers etc etc.
> This screams for conversion issues ...
>
> Ah, and while on it, let's all speak Esparanto (and keep the number of
> QGIS translation builds low) ;-)
>
> Korajn salutojn,
>
> Richard Duivenvoorde
>
>
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Re: [QGIS-Developer] Vote for Lat Lon Tools Default Coordinate Order - YX or XY

[Richard Duivenvoorde]

On 11/20/20 6:10 PM, C Hamilton wrote:
> It was suggested to me that the default coordinate order in the Lat Lon Tools 
> plugin for coordinate capture and zoom-to tools should be "longitude, 
> latitude" or "X, Y". Originally, Lat Lon Tools was designed to work with 
> on-line maps which are generally "latitude, longitude" order.
> 
> You can always go into the plugin settings and specify which order you want 
> and that order will be preserved everytime you launch QGIS. The default order 
> is only applicable the first time you install "Lat Lon Tools" or if you do a 
> reset to defaults in the Lat Lon Tools settings menu,
> 
> Who prefers Lat Lon Tools to default to "longitude, latitude" or "X, Y" when 
> the plugin is first installed or reset to default values?
> 
> Who prefers Lat Lon Tools to default to "latitude, longitude (Google map 
> order)" or "Y, X" when the plugin is first installed or reset to default 
> values?

I'm a little late on the table :-) As descision already cast: 
https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/qgis-latlontools-plugin/issues/53#issuecomment-731070055
and fine with it, just want to add:

I'm not a geo-guy by original trade and working with scientists/911 peeps at 
the moment, who favour the math-way of exchanching coordinates (2 dimensional 
values): X,Y. 

If I were 'boss geo', I'd never use lonlat or latlon terms, only use (decimal!) 
degrees or x,y :-) 
(people tend to mix lat lon up all the time, they never do with x,y).

In my use-case, the Lat Lon Tools plugin is used in a very pluriform, 
international environment where coordinates from all kind of crs's are to be 
mixed/converted (often one pair at a time...). Why would you use YX in one crs 
and XY in other crs's? It's just not very efficient to have that choice. Just 
like meters/feet, point/comma delimeters in numbers etc etc. This screams for 
conversion issues ...

Ah, and while on it, let's all speak Esparanto (and keep the number of QGIS 
translation builds low) ;-)

Korajn salutojn,

Richard Duivenvoorde

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[QGIS-Developer] Vote for Lat Lon Tools Default Coordinate Order - YX or XY

[C Hamilton]

It was suggested to me that the default coordinate order in the Lat Lon
Tools plugin for coordinate capture and zoom-to tools should be "longitude,
latitude" or "X, Y". Originally, Lat Lon Tools was designed to work with
on-line maps which are generally "latitude, longitude" order.

You can always go into the plugin settings and specify which order you want
and that order will be preserved everytime you launch QGIS. The default
order is only applicable the first time you install "Lat Lon Tools" or if
you do a reset to defaults in the Lat Lon Tools settings menu,

Who prefers Lat Lon Tools to default to "longitude, latitude" or "X, Y"
when the plugin is first installed or reset to default values?

Who prefers Lat Lon Tools to default to "latitude, longitude (Google map
order)" or "Y, X" when the plugin is first installed or reset to default
values?

I'm just checking to see if I should make this change or not.

Thanks,

Calvin
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