Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:54:29 +0100 From: Paolo Cavallini cavall...@faunalia.it Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS To: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Message-ID: 4f2e6df5.7090...@faunalia.it Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Il 05/02/2012 11:05, MORREALE Jean Roc ha scritto: Hi, at the moment I don't think it woulb be wise to include that much symbols without changing the way they are presented to user. They have to be sorted in categories and never loaded all at once. Agreed; this has been discussed several times, I think there is a ticket opened on it. Yes, the Battle of Hastings ticket :) http://hub.qgis.org/issues/1066 We should probably close my ticket as a duplicate: http://hub.qgis.org/issues/4055 I don't think there is a significant difference between the two... I think we should: - divide the symbols into categories - avoid re-rendering the preview (very slow for hundreds of symbols), possibly caching it - add a plugin, similar to the plugin installer, to download (better also upload) sets of symbols from a common repo. It should not be a lot of work, any taker? Any sponsor? All the best. I guess there would need to be a default folder to add symbols to in the user's profile*, and the gui would need to merge categories that are duplicated in more than one of the SVG search paths. * Wouldn't it be nice if there could be a standard location to install symbols that was _shared with other software_, rather than each program saving them in its own folders? Regards, Alister ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
Hi, at the moment I don't think it woulb be wise to include that much symbols without changing the way they are presented to user. They have to be sorted in categories and never loaded all at once. Le 05/02/2012 00:07, Mayeul Kauffmann a écrit : Hi, This discussion came up already, but just in case this was forgotten: I generated a set of about 1000 svg color icons for QGIS, based on OSM icons. Available here as public domain: http://www.mediafire.com/?jiooxkbmyzgr0 Sample use visible in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBBYtH2svw0t=3m26s (Customizing OSM map with osm2postgresql QGIS ) Hope this helps, Mayeul Le vendredi 03 février 2012 à 23:46 -0800, Alex Mandel a écrit : On 02/03/2012 09:39 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: FYI, I +others converted over 100 icons from pdf/font to svg in a 2 hour sprint a few months back. We should add something to pull them into QGIS source for inclusion. Only hold up was that I couldn't get the svg fill stuff worked out. Very cool - are these icons the ones that you can access already via the style manager SVG options? No these icons are converted from public domain US government sets, as of Oct 2011. They have not been incorporated into QGIS yet, but will be shortly. After talking with Nathan and Gary I think we can find a way to pull a copy from the osgeo svn every once in a while, say when building a new release, so maybe they'll be in QGIS 1.7.4 Alternately maybe a plugin should be made to pull them in as an optional thing. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
Il 05/02/2012 11:05, MORREALE Jean Roc ha scritto: Hi, at the moment I don't think it woulb be wise to include that much symbols without changing the way they are presented to user. They have to be sorted in categories and never loaded all at once. Agreed; this has been discussed several times, I think there is a ticket opened on it. I think we should: - divide the symbols into categories - avoid re-rendering the preview (very slow for hundreds of symbols), possibly caching it - add a plugin, similar to the plugin installer, to download (better also upload) sets of symbols from a common repo. It should not be a lot of work, any taker? Any sponsor? All the best. -- Paolo Cavallini - Faunalia www.faunalia.eu Full contact details at www.faunalia.eu/pc ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
I agree Andreas. Gray, Alex and I had a bit of a rant on IRC about this, well I did anyway ;) Another point to add is: Even if you do want to use tilemill, PostGIS is not needed. Tilemill takes shape, kml, postgis and a host of different formats. Saying I just give ESRI money so I don't have to learn PostGIS isn't very professional, more lazy. If you don't want to learn another tech that's fine but just thinking that paying someone is the answer to that is lazyness. /end rant - On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.netwrote: As to the criticism: when reading this, I was quite annoyed - while it is true, that the situation with SVG symbols, and the lack of quality symbols should be improved - but the second part of the criticism - having to learn three tools instead of just one, is so out of context and plain wrong. How is ESRI any better in this respect? If you want to use a spatial database with ESRI you also have to learn how to maintain the database - on the other hand you can also work with QGIS without having to learn Postgis (using spatialite or SHP-files) - and since when is tilemill a necessity to publish a map? And since when does plain ESRI arcview include a functionality similar to Postgis and Tilemill without having to pay for extra modules? Last time I checked, it didn't. People should really help to improve the situation rather than complaining. Just my opinion, ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
On 02/05/2012 06:03 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote: Hi, I second that - please do not add additional SVG symbols without previously improving the tool to organize the symbols. We will only end up with tons of symbols (that only a minority needs) slowing down QGIS considerably when dealing with point or patterns. Also, we should distinguish between SVG suitable for point symbolization and pattern fills. Not all of the symbols are suitable for both ... In addition, many single color SVG symbols should be changed to allow for easy change of stroke, fill and stroke-width - see http://www.sourcepole.com/svg-symbols-in-qgis-with-modifiable-colors That method is unfortunately incompatible with Inkscape. I tried to make the edits to the xml in the Inkscape xml editor and every time I closed the window it would get reverted back to clean xml. Also when I put in such edits to the xml via text editor they didn't seem to work in QGIS 1.7.x Maybe I'll give it another shot, but whatever the method turns out to be it needs to be compatible with common svg editors. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
Hi Alex, The problem is that the SVG specification to date does not contain any method for replacing values with parameters. The way Marco implemented it is inspired by the SVG parameters specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGParam/ and http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGParamPrimer/ but since this is only a draft, none of the SVG editors implement this functionality so far - which is a pity - since the functionality is much needed. So unfortunately we can't find a solution that works fine in current SVG editors. The way is to draw the symbol in an SVG editor like Inkscape and then change the markup in a text editor. Andreas In addition, many single color SVG symbols should be changed to allow for easy change of stroke, fill and stroke-width - see http://www.sourcepole.com/svg-symbols-in-qgis-with-modifiable-colors That method is unfortunately incompatible with Inkscape. I tried to make the edits to the xml in the Inkscape xml editor and every time I closed the window it would get reverted back to clean xml. Also when I put in such edits to the xml via text editor they didn't seem to work in QGIS 1.7.x Maybe I'll give it another shot, but whatever the method turns out to be it needs to be compatible with common svg editors. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
Hi, This discussion came up already, but just in case this was forgotten: I generated a set of about 1000 svg color icons for QGIS, based on OSM icons. Available here as public domain: http://www.mediafire.com/?jiooxkbmyzgr0 Sample use visible in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBBYtH2svw0t=3m26s (Customizing OSM map with osm2postgresql QGIS ) Hope this helps, Mayeul Le vendredi 03 février 2012 à 23:46 -0800, Alex Mandel a écrit : On 02/03/2012 09:39 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: FYI, I +others converted over 100 icons from pdf/font to svg in a 2 hour sprint a few months back. We should add something to pull them into QGIS source for inclusion. Only hold up was that I couldn't get the svg fill stuff worked out. Very cool - are these icons the ones that you can access already via the style manager SVG options? No these icons are converted from public domain US government sets, as of Oct 2011. They have not been incorporated into QGIS yet, but will be shortly. After talking with Nathan and Gary I think we can find a way to pull a copy from the osgeo svn every once in a while, say when building a new release, so maybe they'll be in QGIS 1.7.4 Alternately maybe a plugin should be made to pull them in as an optional thing. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
Hi, out community create a set of symbols for topographic maps. Currently this symbol set available in Russian [0] but we work on translating them into English [0] http://gis-lab.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27t=7985 2012/2/4 Gary Sherman gsher...@geoapt.com: Here is an article regarding perceived shortcomings in QGIS: http://egis3.lacounty.gov/eGIS/tag/qgis/ -gary =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Gary Sherman GeoApt LLC http://geoapt.com Chair, QGIS PSC Book: http://geospatialdesktop.com We work virtually everywhere =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer -- Alexander Bruy ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
[Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
Here is an article regarding perceived shortcomings in QGIS: http://egis3.lacounty.gov/eGIS/tag/qgis/ -gary =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Gary Sherman GeoApt LLC http://geoapt.com Chair, QGIS PSC Book: http://geospatialdesktop.com We work virtually everywhere =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
On 02/03/2012 07:08 PM, Gary Sherman wrote: Here is an article regarding perceived shortcomings in QGIS: http://egis3.lacounty.gov/eGIS/tag/qgis/ -gary The good news I think we've identified that particular issue and have at least started down the road to solving. See the osgeo graphics email list. Iconography is somewhere even non coders can easily help. FYI, I +others converted over 100 icons from pdf/font to svg in a 2 hour sprint a few months back. We should add something to pull them into QGIS source for inclusion. Only hold up was that I couldn't get the svg fill stuff worked out. http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/graphics/trunk/map-icons/ Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
FYI, I +others converted over 100 icons from pdf/font to svg in a 2 hour sprint a few months back. We should add something to pull them into QGIS source for inclusion. Only hold up was that I couldn't get the svg fill stuff worked out. Very cool - are these icons the ones that you can access already via the style manager SVG options? ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Criticism of lack of symbols in QGIS
On 02/03/2012 09:39 PM, Tyler Mitchell wrote: FYI, I +others converted over 100 icons from pdf/font to svg in a 2 hour sprint a few months back. We should add something to pull them into QGIS source for inclusion. Only hold up was that I couldn't get the svg fill stuff worked out. Very cool - are these icons the ones that you can access already via the style manager SVG options? No these icons are converted from public domain US government sets, as of Oct 2011. They have not been incorporated into QGIS yet, but will be shortly. After talking with Nathan and Gary I think we can find a way to pull a copy from the osgeo svn every once in a while, say when building a new release, so maybe they'll be in QGIS 1.7.4 Alternately maybe a plugin should be made to pull them in as an optional thing. Thanks, Alex ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
