Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nathan Woodrow]

Hey all,

Both tools are now merged.

Here is the ticket http://hub.qgis.org/issues/10824

Regards,
Nathan


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Luca Mandolesi  wrote:

> Oh my gosh, I'd never noticed that! :)
> Thanks a lot
>
> +1 for merge alsa for archaeologist!
>
> Sorry!
> Luca
>
>
> 2014-07-03 12:36 GMT+02:00 Nathan Woodrow :
>
> Luca,
>>
>> It will do that.  Single click with rectangle tool will already do this.
>>
>> - Nathan
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Luca Mandolesi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  -1 The voice outside the chorus...for the archaelogist is usefull for
>>> selection single little items (ass little bones, etc) with a single click
>>> without make a rectangulare small selection that risks to select near
>>> objects
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Luca
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-07-03 12:27 GMT+02:00 Anita Graser :
>>>
>>> +1 for the merge. I'm with those arguing that the single select tool
 does not add anything useful.
 Best wishes
 Anita
 On Jul 3, 2014 11:14 AM, "Alexandre Neto" 
 wrote:

> If I may...
>
> +1 For dropping single point selection button.
>
> I think that having too many options\buttons can sometimes be
> overwhelming for new users, and in this case users won't notice much
> difference in usage anyway (do we need to decide what to do with the 
> icon).
>
> Alexandre Neto
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Larry Shaffer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> +1 for dropping the select-by-point part of the tool and making
>> select-by-rect the default.
>>
>> However, I really think the icon, as Giuseppe noted, needs updated to
>> indicate the change (even if the select-by-rect hasn't actually changed).
>> Maybe just adding a pronounced or colored point to the upper left corner 
>> of
>> the rectangle will be enough.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Olivier Dalang <
>> olivier.dal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for simplifying the ui !
>>>
>>> The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold
>>> against the rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have 
>>> way
>>> more future users than current users ;)
>>>
>>> Bests,
>>>
>>> Olivier
>>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Luca Mandolesi]

Oh my gosh, I'd never noticed that! :)
Thanks a lot

+1 for merge alsa for archaeologist!

Sorry!
Luca


2014-07-03 12:36 GMT+02:00 Nathan Woodrow :

> Luca,
>
> It will do that.  Single click with rectangle tool will already do this.
>
> - Nathan
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Luca Mandolesi 
> wrote:
>
>>  -1 The voice outside the chorus...for the archaelogist is usefull for
>> selection single little items (ass little bones, etc) with a single click
>> without make a rectangulare small selection that risks to select near
>> objects
>>
>> Best regards
>> Luca
>>
>>
>> 2014-07-03 12:27 GMT+02:00 Anita Graser :
>>
>> +1 for the merge. I'm with those arguing that the single select tool does
>>> not add anything useful.
>>> Best wishes
>>> Anita
>>> On Jul 3, 2014 11:14 AM, "Alexandre Neto"  wrote:
>>>
 If I may...

 +1 For dropping single point selection button.

 I think that having too many options\buttons can sometimes be
 overwhelming for new users, and in this case users won't notice much
 difference in usage anyway (do we need to decide what to do with the icon).

 Alexandre Neto




 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Larry Shaffer 
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> +1 for dropping the select-by-point part of the tool and making
> select-by-rect the default.
>
> However, I really think the icon, as Giuseppe noted, needs updated to
> indicate the change (even if the select-by-rect hasn't actually changed).
> Maybe just adding a pronounced or colored point to the upper left corner 
> of
> the rectangle will be enough.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Olivier Dalang <
> olivier.dal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 for simplifying the ui !
>>
>> The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold against
>> the rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have way more
>> future users than current users ;)
>>
>> Bests,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nathan Woodrow]

Luca,

It will do that.  Single click with rectangle tool will already do this.

- Nathan


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Luca Mandolesi  wrote:

>  -1 The voice outside the chorus...for the archaelogist is usefull for
> selection single little items (ass little bones, etc) with a single click
> without make a rectangulare small selection that risks to select near
> objects
>
> Best regards
> Luca
>
>
> 2014-07-03 12:27 GMT+02:00 Anita Graser :
>
> +1 for the merge. I'm with those arguing that the single select tool does
>> not add anything useful.
>> Best wishes
>> Anita
>> On Jul 3, 2014 11:14 AM, "Alexandre Neto"  wrote:
>>
>>> If I may...
>>>
>>> +1 For dropping single point selection button.
>>>
>>> I think that having too many options\buttons can sometimes be
>>> overwhelming for new users, and in this case users won't notice much
>>> difference in usage anyway (do we need to decide what to do with the icon).
>>>
>>> Alexandre Neto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Larry Shaffer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 +1 for dropping the select-by-point part of the tool and making
 select-by-rect the default.

 However, I really think the icon, as Giuseppe noted, needs updated to
 indicate the change (even if the select-by-rect hasn't actually changed).
 Maybe just adding a pronounced or colored point to the upper left corner of
 the rectangle will be enough.

 Regards,

 Larry

 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Olivier Dalang <
 olivier.dal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for simplifying the ui !
>
> The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold against
> the rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have way more
> future users than current users ;)
>
> Bests,
>
> Olivier
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Luca Mandolesi]

 -1 The voice outside the chorus...for the archaelogist is usefull for
selection single little items (ass little bones, etc) with a single click
without make a rectangulare small selection that risks to select near
objects

Best regards
Luca


2014-07-03 12:27 GMT+02:00 Anita Graser :

> +1 for the merge. I'm with those arguing that the single select tool does
> not add anything useful.
> Best wishes
> Anita
> On Jul 3, 2014 11:14 AM, "Alexandre Neto"  wrote:
>
>> If I may...
>>
>> +1 For dropping single point selection button.
>>
>> I think that having too many options\buttons can sometimes be
>> overwhelming for new users, and in this case users won't notice much
>> difference in usage anyway (do we need to decide what to do with the icon).
>>
>> Alexandre Neto
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Larry Shaffer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> +1 for dropping the select-by-point part of the tool and making
>>> select-by-rect the default.
>>>
>>> However, I really think the icon, as Giuseppe noted, needs updated to
>>> indicate the change (even if the select-by-rect hasn't actually changed).
>>> Maybe just adding a pronounced or colored point to the upper left corner of
>>> the rectangle will be enough.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Olivier Dalang >> > wrote:
>>>
 +1 for simplifying the ui !

 The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold against
 the rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have way more
 future users than current users ;)

 Bests,

 Olivier

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Anita Graser]

+1 for the merge. I'm with those arguing that the single select tool does
not add anything useful.
Best wishes
Anita
On Jul 3, 2014 11:14 AM, "Alexandre Neto"  wrote:

> If I may...
>
> +1 For dropping single point selection button.
>
> I think that having too many options\buttons can sometimes be overwhelming
> for new users, and in this case users won't notice much difference in usage
> anyway (do we need to decide what to do with the icon).
>
> Alexandre Neto
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Larry Shaffer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> +1 for dropping the select-by-point part of the tool and making
>> select-by-rect the default.
>>
>> However, I really think the icon, as Giuseppe noted, needs updated to
>> indicate the change (even if the select-by-rect hasn't actually changed).
>> Maybe just adding a pronounced or colored point to the upper left corner of
>> the rectangle will be enough.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Olivier Dalang 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for simplifying the ui !
>>>
>>> The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold against
>>> the rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have way more
>>> future users than current users ;)
>>>
>>> Bests,
>>>
>>> Olivier
>>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Alexandre Neto]

If I may...

+1 For dropping single point selection button.

I think that having too many options\buttons can sometimes be overwhelming
for new users, and in this case users won't notice much difference in usage
anyway (do we need to decide what to do with the icon).

Alexandre Neto




On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Larry Shaffer 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> +1 for dropping the select-by-point part of the tool and making
> select-by-rect the default.
>
> However, I really think the icon, as Giuseppe noted, needs updated to
> indicate the change (even if the select-by-rect hasn't actually changed).
> Maybe just adding a pronounced or colored point to the upper left corner of
> the rectangle will be enough.
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Olivier Dalang 
> wrote:
>
>> +1 for simplifying the ui !
>>
>> The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold against the
>> rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have way more future
>> users than current users ;)
>>
>> Bests,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Larry Shaffer]

Hi,

+1 for dropping the select-by-point part of the tool and making
select-by-rect the default.

However, I really think the icon, as Giuseppe noted, needs updated to
indicate the change (even if the select-by-rect hasn't actually changed).
Maybe just adding a pronounced or colored point to the upper left corner of
the rectangle will be enough.

Regards,

Larry

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Olivier Dalang 
wrote:

> +1 for simplifying the ui !
>
> The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold against the
> rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have way more future
> users than current users ;)
>
> Bests,
>
> Olivier
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Olivier Dalang]

+1 for simplifying the ui !

The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold against the
rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have way more future
users than current users ;)

Bests,

Olivier

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Giuseppe Sucameli]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Ramon Andiñach 
wrote:

> If the default was changed to rectangle, I'd expect that most would change
> it the first time that they needed to do a single point select anyway.
>

And if they try to change back to the single point selection but the tool
is missing, what do you think they will do?
I'm quite sure that after 20 seconds they will use the rectangle selection
tool to click on the map.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Ramon Andiñach]

On 02/07/2014, at 18:28 , Giuseppe Sucameli wrote:

> +1, single click selects one feature and drag selects features by rectangle.
> Of course, we must default the selection tool to the rectangle one, in 
> addition we must change the tooltip (and maybe the icon too?) to something 
> more appropriate.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Nyall Dawson  wrote:
> >
> > Am 02.07.2014 12:02, schrieb Nathan Woodrow:
> >>
> >> The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how the user
> >> does selecting.  Most will not even see the change.
> 
> 
> For the record, I'm changing my vote to a +1 for the merge. If a
> single click performs a "select single polygon" action, then I think
> this is the ideal behaviour.
> 
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While I agree that the rectangle select achieves the same as the single point 
tool (and more), I'm watching most of the other users at my work and noticing 
that they seem to expect to have to change tools.

If the default was changed to rectangle, I'd expect that most would change it 
the first time that they needed to do a single point select anyway.

-ramon.


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Zoltan Szecsei]

On 2014/07/02 11:57, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Zoltan Szecsei > wrote:


I feel the developers must always put the user before the code
simplification.
This because the programmer makes a once-off (big) effort, but
there may be "millions" of users that suffer if the coder
simplifies the coding effort at the expense of user intuitive
experience.


Please don't make the assumption that I would do this.  Especially not 
in this case.  The change is a pure UI driven one and has nothing to 
do with removing code, I would cull all the select tools if I wanted 
to do that :).


- Nathan.



No no - not suggesting that at all - only saying that programming effort 
should always be second to user experience/intuitiveness.


I'm swaying a bit towards agreeing with dropping the single select - 
also because the cursor does not change, so you might anyway forget what 
the last icon was, that you clicked (yes, different issue).


So, may I suggest that we go with it (using "rectangle" for both single 
and group select), but that we also change the "hover-popup help" to 
indicate the dual usage.


I guess a new user is likely to hover the mouse over the icons, and if 
they are told there that "click is single and drag is rectangle select, 
they would find that experience sufficient.


Regards,
Zoltan



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Giuseppe Sucameli]

+1, single click selects one feature and drag selects features by rectangle.
Of course, we must default the selection tool to the rectangle one, in
addition we must change the tooltip (and maybe the icon too?) to something
more appropriate.


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wrote:

> >
> > Am 02.07.2014 12:02, schrieb Nathan Woodrow:
> >>
> >> The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how the user
> >> does selecting.  Most will not even see the change.
>
>
> For the record, I'm changing my vote to a +1 for the merge. If a
> single click performs a "select single polygon" action, then I think
> this is the ideal behaviour.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi Nathan

On 02.07.2014 12:02, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Matthias Kuhn  > wrote:
>
> Users might be used to the select single feature tool and miss it.
>
>
> The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how the
> user does selecting.  Most will not even see the change.
Users don't only get used to how tools work, but also which tools they
work with. And there's documentation/tutorials out there that build on
the current GUI.

>  
>
> While it's possible for somebody to get used to new interaction
> designs
> it's an effort and it's not where you want to spend your time
> worrying.
>
>
> Let me worry about where I spend my time.  I'm a big boy :)
I was talking about the users time, not yours. If I would worry about
your time I'd have better ideas (like get away from Redmond) ;)

>  
>
> I would rather spend
> the effort on removing / collapsing buttons on the UI which are always
> visible but hardly ever used than tools which may be redundant but are
> only a slight annoyance.
>
>
> The slight annoyances build up, hence why pruning like this is a good
> idea.

I am just not sure if it's a slight annoyance for everybody. I fear that
it's part of the workflow for some (not sure though). And therefore I
have the feeling that the slight annoyance (if at all!) doesn't outweigh
the possible benefits.

That said, this is not a strong opinion. I see the need for polishing
the UI. I just would not start here.
And maybe some UX guys should discuss again if UI changes/icon changes
should be grouped instead of incrementally done. (Nobody will worry for
such a change if introduced with QGIS 3. Or if we say that minor UI
changes will only take place in the autumn release). And the
customization presets discussed (although this particular selection tool
would probably not be affected of these).

- Matthias
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nyall Dawson]

>
> Am 02.07.2014 12:02, schrieb Nathan Woodrow:
>>
>> The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how the user
>> does selecting.  Most will not even see the change.


For the record, I'm changing my vote to a +1 for the merge. If a
single click performs a "select single polygon" action, then I think
this is the ideal behaviour.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Bernhard Ströbl]

Hi,

let me jump in here...
a large +1 from me to only keep the select by rectangle tool. I never 
use select by point.


Bernhard

Am 02.07.2014 12:02, schrieb Nathan Woodrow:

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Matthias Kuhn mailto:matthias.k...@gmx.ch>> wrote:

Users might be used to the select single feature tool and miss it.


The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how the user
does selecting.  Most will not even see the change.

While it's possible for somebody to get used to new interaction designs
it's an effort and it's not where you want to spend your time worrying.


Let me worry about where I spend my time.  I'm a big boy :)

Second - and more important - The selection tools are already collapsed
and an additional button there is only shown on demand and not always.
Therefore the visual clutter impact is minimal.


It's not visual clutter in the sense of having them all in a row on the
toolbar.  That isn't the issue.  The issue is having two tools which do
the same thing when we can merge into one.  Consider the zoom tool, we
don't have a "zoom on click" and a "zoom to area" tool, we have one tool
for both jobs.

The select tool in the composer also is dual action in this sense so it
makes sense to have one tool in the canvas that is the same.

I would rather spend
the effort on removing / collapsing buttons on the UI which are always
visible but hardly ever used than tools which may be redundant but are
only a slight annoyance.


The slight annoyances build up, hence why pruning like this is a good idea.

- Nathan



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nathan Woodrow]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Matthias Kuhn  wrote:

> Users might be used to the select single feature tool and miss it.
>

The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how the user
does selecting.  Most will not even see the change.


>  While it's possible for somebody to get used to new interaction designs
> it's an effort and it's not where you want to spend your time worrying.
>

Let me worry about where I spend my time.  I'm a big boy :)


>  Second - and more important - The selection tools are already collapsed
> and an additional button there is only shown on demand and not always.
> Therefore the visual clutter impact is minimal.
>

It's not visual clutter in the sense of having them all in a row on the
toolbar.  That isn't the issue.  The issue is having two tools which do the
same thing when we can merge into one.  Consider the zoom tool, we don't
have a "zoom on click" and a "zoom to area" tool, we have one tool for both
jobs.

The select tool in the composer also is dual action in this sense so it
makes sense to have one tool in the canvas that is the same.


> I would rather spend
> the effort on removing / collapsing buttons on the UI which are always
> visible but hardly ever used than tools which may be redundant but are
> only a slight annoyance.
>

The slight annoyances build up, hence why pruning like this is a good idea.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nathan Woodrow]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Zoltan Szecsei 
wrote:

> I feel the developers must always put the user before the code
> simplification.
> This because the programmer makes a once-off (big) effort, but there may
> be "millions" of users that suffer if the coder simplifies the coding
> effort at the expense of user intuitive experience.
>

Please don't make the assumption that I would do this.  Especially not in
this case.  The change is a pure UI driven one and has nothing to do with
removing code, I would cull all the select tools if I wanted to do that :).

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Matthias Kuhn]

Hi,

-1 : but change the default tool

Reasons:
Users might be used to the select single feature tool and miss it. 
While it's possible for somebody to get used to new interaction designs 
it's an effort and it's not where you want to spend your time worrying.
Second - and more important - The selection tools are already collapsed 
and an additional button there is only shown on demand and not always. 
Therefore the visual clutter impact is minimal. I would rather spend 
the effort on removing / collapsing buttons on the UI which are always 
visible but hardly ever used than tools which may be redundant but are 
only a slight annoyance.

Best regards,
Matthias

On Mit 02 Jul 2014 09:08:39 CEST, Régis Haubourg wrote:
> Hi, in my user experience, I feel like Nathan: one tool is more intuitive.
> I'm bothered each time I have to explicitly switch to rectangular selection
> tool..
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nyall Dawson]

On 02/07/2014 4:57 pm, "Zoltan Szecsei"  wrote:
>

>
> But, especially for a newbie, it will not be intuitive that by clicking
without dragging, the rectangle select will do a point-click select.
>

I'm not so sure about that - the single click to select one item, click and
drag to marquee select behavior is very common. There's lots of widely used
programs which do the same.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Régis Haubourg]

Hi, in my user experience, I feel like Nathan: one tool is more intuitive.
I'm bothered each time I have to explicitly switch to rectangular selection
tool.. 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Zoltan Szecsei]

+1 for leaving both visible options, but defaulting to rectangle.
If the underlying code is different, then even at the expense of the 
extra code required to compute that you have a null-sized rectangle (ie 
a point click), you might want to use the same code.


But, especially for a newbie, it will not be intuitive that by clicking 
without dragging, the rectangle select will do a point-click select.


I feel the developers must always put the user before the code 
simplification.
This because the programmer makes a once-off (big) effort, but there may 
be "millions" of users that suffer if the coder simplifies the coding 
effort at the expense of user intuitive experience.


My 2c,
Regards,
Zoltan


On 2014/07/01 15:03, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
My main goal at the moment is to reduce some of the clutter and 
duplicate, or shared behavior, tools that we have.  So setting it as a 
default wouldn't really solve that issue.  I would only remove it from 
the UI, it will still be in the code for the API.


- Nathan

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Mathieu Pellerin 
mailto:nirvn.a...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So maybe we could change the default selection tool to rectangle?
One of the first thing I personally always do when using a fresh
qgis (with default settings) is to change selection tool to
rectangle for the reason Nathan raised this thread.



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Jürgen E . Fischer]

Hi Nathan,

On Tue, 01. Jul 2014 at 23:26:08 +1000, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
> QgsMapToolSelectUtils::expandSelectRectangle( mSelectRect, vlayer,
> e->pos() );

It does QgsMapToolSelectUtils::setSelectFeatures( mCanvas, selectGeom, e );

while the select *single* feature tool does:

QgsMapToolSelectUtils::setSelectFeatures( mCanvas, selectGeom, false, 
doDifference, true );

Not sure if it's important to anyone, but the key point apparently is that it
does it for a single feature.


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nathan Woodrow]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Jürgen E.  wrote:

> The point selection tool
> actually selects the nearest feature from a 10x10 pixel rectangle.
>

The rectangle one does the same thing:

  if ( !mDragging )
  {
QgsMapToolSelectUtils::expandSelectRectangle( mSelectRect, vlayer,
e->pos() );
  }

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Jürgen E . Fischer]

Hi Nathan,

On Tue, 01. Jul 2014 at 23:03:31 +1000, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
> My main goal at the moment is to reduce some of the clutter and duplicate,
> or shared behavior, tools that we have.  So setting it as a default
> wouldn't really solve that issue.  I would only remove it from the UI, it
> will still be in the code for the API.

AFAICT the code isn't part of the API anyway.  The point selection tool
actually selects the nearest feature from a 10x10 pixel rectangle.


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Andreas Neumann]

Hi,

Given that the rectangle tool also contains the "select single features
with a click" tool I agree that we could get rid of the "select single
features with a click" tool.

So +1 from me.
+1 also to calling it "Select Features" Tool in the tooltip.

Andreas

Am 01.07.2014 12:37, schrieb Nyall Dawson:
> On 01/07/2014 9:55 pm, "Nathan Woodrow"  wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool.
>>
>> Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle
> select does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click.  I
> live in rectangle select mode 99% of the time and never have any issues.
>>
>> As the rectangle select can already do both actions I don't really see
> the need to keep both tools when one would suffice.
> 
> -1 from me. No scientific reason why, but it would just seem wrong to me to
> always use the rectangular selection tool.
> 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nathan Woodrow]

My main goal at the moment is to reduce some of the clutter and duplicate,
or shared behavior, tools that we have.  So setting it as a default
wouldn't really solve that issue.  I would only remove it from the UI, it
will still be in the code for the API.

- Nathan

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Mathieu Pellerin 
wrote:

> So maybe we could change the default selection tool to rectangle? One of
> the first thing I personally always do when using a fresh qgis (with
> default settings) is to change selection tool to rectangle for the reason
> Nathan raised this thread.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Mathieu Pellerin]

So maybe we could change the default selection tool to rectangle? One of
the first thing I personally always do when using a fresh qgis (with
default settings) is to change selection tool to rectangle for the reason
Nathan raised this thread.
On 1 Jul 2014 19:38, "Nyall Dawson"  wrote:

>
> On 01/07/2014 9:55 pm, "Nathan Woodrow"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool.
> >
> > Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle
> select does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click.  I
> live in rectangle select mode 99% of the time and never have any issues.
> >
> > As the rectangle select can already do both actions I don't really see
> the need to keep both tools when one would suffice.
>
> -1 from me. No scientific reason why, but it would just seem wrong to me
> to always use the rectangular selection tool.
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nyall Dawson]

On 01/07/2014 9:55 pm, "Nathan Woodrow"  wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool.
>
> Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle
select does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click.  I
live in rectangle select mode 99% of the time and never have any issues.
>
> As the rectangle select can already do both actions I don't really see
the need to keep both tools when one would suffice.

-1 from me. No scientific reason why, but it would just seem wrong to me to
always use the rectangular selection tool.

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[G. Allegri]

+1


2014-07-01 14:20 GMT+02:00 Mathieu Pellerin :

> +1
> On 1 Jul 2014 18:55, "Nathan Woodrow"  wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool.
>>
>> Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle
>> select does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click.  I
>> live in rectangle select mode 99% of the time and never have any issues.
>>
>> As the rectangle select can already do both actions I don't really see
>> the need to keep both tools when one would suffice.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> - Nathan
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Mathieu Pellerin]

+1
On 1 Jul 2014 18:55, "Nathan Woodrow"  wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool.
>
> Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle select
> does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click.  I live in
> rectangle select mode 99% of the time and never have any issues.
>
> As the rectangle select can already do both actions I don't really see the
> need to keep both tools when one would suffice.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> - Nathan
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Régis Haubourg]

+1 !



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[Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

[Nathan Woodrow]

Hey,

I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool.

Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle select
does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click.  I live in
rectangle select mode 99% of the time and never have any issues.

As the rectangle select can already do both actions I don't really see the
need to keep both tools when one would suffice.

Thoughts?

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