Re: [Qgis-developer] Extending timeline for 3.0?

[Jürgen E . Fischer]

Hi Nyall,

On Wed, 26. Oct 2016 at 17:09:29 +1000, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> "oh but we had already planned our corporate deployment schedule
> around a March release!!11!!". Better to openly discuss this
> possibility so everyone's on the same page.

If we are all on the

http://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/development/roadmap.html#release-schedule

page - it estimates 8-12 months from the release of 2.16 - so that would be
March to July '17.


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Extending timeline for 3.0?

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 26/10/2016 09:09, Nyall Dawson ha scritto:

> I realise that - but March has been thrown around tentatively. I'd
> hate to get to February and then have this blocked by responses like
> "oh but we had already planned our corporate deployment schedule
> around a March release!!11!!". Better to openly discuss this
> possibility so everyone's on the same page.

Thanks Nyall for raising this. I think this is quite reasonable. The
main issue I see is with people sponsoring new features not being able
to use it before next summer. Probably they will put pressure for
releasing a new version, or for making an exception to the
no-new-feature rule.
How could we cope with that?
All the best.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Extending timeline for 3.0?

[Nyall Dawson]

On 26 October 2016 at 16:22, Jürgen E. Fischer  wrote:
> Hi Nyall,
>
> On Wed, 26. Oct 2016 at 15:53:22 +1000, Nyall Dawson wrote:
>> What are everyone's thoughts on extending the timeline for 3.0?
>
> What timeline is there to extend?  We didn't set a date - just had rough 
> ideas.

I realise that - but March has been thrown around tentatively. I'd
hate to get to February and then have this blocked by responses like
"oh but we had already planned our corporate deployment schedule
around a March release!!11!!". Better to openly discuss this
possibility so everyone's on the same page.

Nyall
>
>
> Jürgen
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Extending timeline for 3.0?

[Jürgen E . Fischer]

Hi Nyall,

On Wed, 26. Oct 2016 at 15:53:22 +1000, Nyall Dawson wrote:
> What are everyone's thoughts on extending the timeline for 3.0?

What timeline is there to extend?  We didn't set a date - just had rough ideas.


Jürgen

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Extending timeline for 3.0?

[Nathan Woodrow]

Hi,

I agree with Nyall. As this is a major release this requires more time,
have a look at how long it took Python 3 to finally become used for an idea
on how people treat major breaks in API.

As we already have 2.14, 1.6 and 2.18 out the door as a really good base I
don't see a need to rush this out.

I have plans for 3.0 but don't have a Windows build setup yet.

Regards,
Nathan


On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Neumann, Andreas 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It would be fine for me to have a double dev cycle for 3.0. Devs should
> have enough time to make proper decisions and work on the API. And python
> devs probably also need more time to get their most important plugins in
> shape for the new API, qt5 and Python 3.
>
> Perhaps it would be good to also have more than one month for testing and
> bug fixing - extending this to two months. We could simply shift the one
> month bug fixing/testing of the first cycle towards the end of the second
> cycle.
>
> So this modified proposal would mean:
>
> Feature freeze at the end of May, release at the end of July. Right?
>
> Fine with me, if we still care about the 2.x branch where necessary -
> preferably investing more in 2.18x than in 2.14x (my personal opinion).
>
> Andreas
>
> On 2016-10-26 07:53, Nyall Dawson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to start the discussion around this early so that we can plan
> ahead and not have to make a last-minute decision.
>
> What are everyone's thoughts on extending the timeline for 3.0? In my
> opinion things are currently going really well, we have Qt5/python3
> builds which are stable enough for daily use and there's been a ton of
> cleanups to the code.
>
> There's a lot of changes still coming in, and I think there's SO much
> room for making things better that I don't like the idea of the early
> 2017 deadline for the final release. I'd much rather extend this out
> by another cycle and really getting the platform ready for the next
> series of QGIS releases.
>
> We could always put out a "preview" release in March, without frozen
> API, if desired.
>
> So, what's everyone's thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea?
>
> Nyall
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Extending timeline for 3.0?

[Neumann, Andreas]

Hi, 

It would be fine for me to have a double dev cycle for 3.0. Devs should
have enough time to make proper decisions and work on the API. And
python devs probably also need more time to get their most important
plugins in shape for the new API, qt5 and Python 3. 

Perhaps it would be good to also have more than one month for testing
and bug fixing - extending this to two months. We could simply shift the
one month bug fixing/testing of the first cycle towards the end of the
second cycle. 

So this modified proposal would mean: 

Feature freeze at the end of May, release at the end of July. Right? 

Fine with me, if we still care about the 2.x branch where necessary -
preferably investing more in 2.18x than in 2.14x (my personal opinion). 

Andreas 

On 2016-10-26 07:53, Nyall Dawson wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to start the discussion around this early so that we can plan
> ahead and not have to make a last-minute decision.
> 
> What are everyone's thoughts on extending the timeline for 3.0? In my
> opinion things are currently going really well, we have Qt5/python3
> builds which are stable enough for daily use and there's been a ton of
> cleanups to the code.
> 
> There's a lot of changes still coming in, and I think there's SO much
> room for making things better that I don't like the idea of the early
> 2017 deadline for the final release. I'd much rather extend this out
> by another cycle and really getting the platform ready for the next
> series of QGIS releases.
> 
> We could always put out a "preview" release in March, without frozen
> API, if desired.
> 
> So, what's everyone's thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea?
> 
> Nyall
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[Qgis-developer] Extending timeline for 3.0?

[Nyall Dawson]

Hi all,

I'd like to start the discussion around this early so that we can plan
ahead and not have to make a last-minute decision.

What are everyone's thoughts on extending the timeline for 3.0? In my
opinion things are currently going really well, we have Qt5/python3
builds which are stable enough for daily use and there's been a ton of
cleanups to the code.

There's a lot of changes still coming in, and I think there's SO much
room for making things better that I don't like the idea of the early
2017 deadline for the final release. I'd much rather extend this out
by another cycle and really getting the platform ready for the next
series of QGIS releases.

We could always put out a "preview" release in March, without frozen
API, if desired.

So, what's everyone's thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea?

Nyall
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