Re: [Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-22 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde 
On 18-03-17 06:56, Mark Johnson wrote:
>>> No, I mean in the .rst files. Send the changes via a PR. Then it'll be
> added to the developers guide at
> 
> Well, I have no idea what :
> * .rst files are
> * how to make then or
> * how to view them
> 
> The wiki pages I can do on the fly while working this out.
> Can you live with a wiki version ?
> - if not I will stop it

Hi Mark,

if you insist ( and I see you do :-) ):

https://github.com/qgis/QGIS-Documentation/wiki/Building-QT-5-from-scratch

Then PLEASE create a system in which you make it clear
WHICH version of QGIS you are trying to build on
WHAT version of Linux/Ubuntu
on WHICH Qt version (and other lib versions)

(so others can provide instructions for other versions/distro-version)

I'm with Matthias
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2017-March/047756.html

Unless you are sure you will keep this uptodate I'm not sure it has any
value for other developers to have it on the our QGIS-Documentation
wiki. Your hard work now, will be outdated within 6 months, I'm afraid.
It will only be 'historical' knowledge then...

Sorry to be harsh, but it is much easier to build QGIS with the lib
versions of your own distro.

What about forking QGIS-Documentation to your own repo, and put this in
your Wiki there? We can even blog about it and point to the instructions?

Regards,

Richard Duivenvoorde

/me thinking we should never had opened the wiki on the repo :-(
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Re: [Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-21 Thread Tim Sutton 
Hi

> On 21 Mar 2017, at 10:33 AM, Yves Jacolin  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the noise, reading again the thread, my previous email is not 
> relevant for such issue. I don't think we will add a chapter how to build 
> QGIS 
> from scratch.

Good  - I think it will get outdated quickly and history shows that such 
content does not get well maintained. If we had to do anything along these 
lines, it could be to have a small chapter which lists all the QGIS 
dependencies along with a pointer to the upstream build instructions for each 
dependency. At least that should be more easily maintained and does not 
duplicate effort from upstream projects.

John have you considered just running QGIS in docker - its probably a much 
easier approach than the method you have embarked upon...

Regards

Tim

> 
> Y.
> On samedi 18 mars 2017 15:55:34 CET Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
>> And can I add the constant hard fight against fake user accounts adding
>> wiki spam? (see osgeo wiki).
>> 
>> The workflow we have now is translatable, can be build to pdf's, is
>> versioned and is continuously tested/rebuild.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> On 18-03-17 13:40, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
>>> The wiki information got outdated very fast, and was also not
>>> translatable easily.
>>> A decision was made a while ago for official documentation should be
>>> done int the same workflow
>>> as the website in order to streamline that process and make sure
>>> everyone is using the same tools.
>>> 
>>> - Nathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 10:18 PM, John Hawkinson >> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>I'm new here, so I'll ask the obvious question:
>>> 
>>>Wikis are great because they lower the bar to collaboration. It's
>>>really
>>>easy to make edits and you don't have to worry about them getting
>>>approved
>>>and that's awesome. Really easy workflow, more so than github pull
>>>requests.
>>>New and potential contributors don't get discouraged.
>>> 
>>>What's the reason for putting up barriers to documentation like this?
>>> 
>>>Problems with spam or low quality edits? Can I find a robust
>>>discussion
>>>of the tradeoffs in the list archives?
>>> 
>>>--jh...@mit.edu 
>>> 
>>>  John Hawkinson
>>> 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-21 Thread Yves Jacolin 
Sorry for the noise, reading again the thread, my previous email is not 
relevant for such issue. I don't think we will add a chapter how to build QGIS 
from scratch.

Y.
On samedi 18 mars 2017 15:55:34 CET Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> And can I add the constant hard fight against fake user accounts adding
> wiki spam? (see osgeo wiki).
> 
> The workflow we have now is translatable, can be build to pdf's, is
> versioned and is continuously tested/rebuild.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard
> 
> On 18-03-17 13:40, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
> > The wiki information got outdated very fast, and was also not
> > translatable easily.
> > A decision was made a while ago for official documentation should be
> > done int the same workflow
> > as the website in order to streamline that process and make sure
> > everyone is using the same tools.
> > 
> > - Nathan
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 10:18 PM, John Hawkinson  > 
> > > wrote:
> > I'm new here, so I'll ask the obvious question:
> > 
> > Wikis are great because they lower the bar to collaboration. It's
> > really
> > easy to make edits and you don't have to worry about them getting
> > approved
> > and that's awesome. Really easy workflow, more so than github pull
> > requests.
> > New and potential contributors don't get discouraged.
> > 
> > What's the reason for putting up barriers to documentation like this?
> > 
> > Problems with spam or low quality edits? Can I find a robust
> > discussion
> > of the tradeoffs in the list archives?
> > 
> > --jh...@mit.edu 
> > 
> >   John Hawkinson
> > 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-21 Thread Yves Jacolin 
Hello,

Could you work like we do for QEP? i.e Write the text in a ticket, ask for 
comment and label it as finished (or to be integrated in the documentation).

I will be happy to do it (assign the ticket to me) if everybody agree with 
this process!

Pros:
* lower the barrier
* easy to comment for a (small) chapter even if this is better and easier in a 
PR for bigger chapter though
* easy also to improve some part of an existing chapter (typos, missing 
informations)

Cons:
* make sure to finalized it :)

Y.
On samedi 18 mars 2017 15:55:34 CET Richard Duivenvoorde wrote:
> And can I add the constant hard fight against fake user accounts adding
> wiki spam? (see osgeo wiki).
> 
> The workflow we have now is translatable, can be build to pdf's, is
> versioned and is continuously tested/rebuild.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard
> 
> On 18-03-17 13:40, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
> > The wiki information got outdated very fast, and was also not
> > translatable easily.
> > A decision was made a while ago for official documentation should be
> > done int the same workflow
> > as the website in order to streamline that process and make sure
> > everyone is using the same tools.
> > 
> > - Nathan
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 10:18 PM, John Hawkinson  > 
> > > wrote:
> > I'm new here, so I'll ask the obvious question:
> > 
> > Wikis are great because they lower the bar to collaboration. It's
> > really
> > easy to make edits and you don't have to worry about them getting
> > approved
> > and that's awesome. Really easy workflow, more so than github pull
> > requests.
> > New and potential contributors don't get discouraged.
> > 
> > What's the reason for putting up barriers to documentation like this?
> > 
> > Problems with spam or low quality edits? Can I find a robust
> > discussion
> > of the tradeoffs in the list archives?
> > 
> > --jh...@mit.edu 
> > 
> >   John Hawkinson
> > 
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Re: [Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-18 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde 

And can I add the constant hard fight against fake user accounts adding
wiki spam? (see osgeo wiki).

The workflow we have now is translatable, can be build to pdf's, is
versioned and is continuously tested/rebuild.

Regards,

Richard

On 18-03-17 13:40, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
> The wiki information got outdated very fast, and was also not
> translatable easily. 
> A decision was made a while ago for official documentation should be
> done int the same workflow 
> as the website in order to streamline that process and make sure
> everyone is using the same tools.
> 
> - Nathan
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 10:18 PM, John Hawkinson  > wrote:
> 
> I'm new here, so I'll ask the obvious question:
> 
> Wikis are great because they lower the bar to collaboration. It's really
> easy to make edits and you don't have to worry about them getting
> approved
> and that's awesome. Really easy workflow, more so than github pull
> requests.
> New and potential contributors don't get discouraged.
> 
> What's the reason for putting up barriers to documentation like this?
> 
> Problems with spam or low quality edits? Can I find a robust discussion
> of the tradeoffs in the list archives?
> 
> --jh...@mit.edu 
>   John Hawkinson
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Re: [Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-18 Thread Nathan Woodrow 
The wiki information got outdated very fast, and was also not translatable
easily.
A decision was made a while ago for official documentation should be done
int the same workflow
as the website in order to streamline that process and make sure everyone
is using the same tools.

- Nathan


On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 10:18 PM, John Hawkinson  wrote:

> I'm new here, so I'll ask the obvious question:
>
> Wikis are great because they lower the bar to collaboration. It's really
> easy to make edits and you don't have to worry about them getting approved
> and that's awesome. Really easy workflow, more so than github pull
> requests.
> New and potential contributors don't get discouraged.
>
> What's the reason for putting up barriers to documentation like this?
>
> Problems with spam or low quality edits? Can I find a robust discussion
> of the tradeoffs in the list archives?
>
> --jh...@mit.edu
>   John Hawkinson
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Re: [Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-18 Thread John Hawkinson 
I'm new here, so I'll ask the obvious question:

Wikis are great because they lower the bar to collaboration. It's really
easy to make edits and you don't have to worry about them getting approved
and that's awesome. Really easy workflow, more so than github pull requests.
New and potential contributors don't get discouraged.

What's the reason for putting up barriers to documentation like this?

Problems with spam or low quality edits? Can I find a robust discussion
of the tradeoffs in the list archives?

--jh...@mit.edu
  John Hawkinson
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Re: [Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-18 Thread Tom Chadwin 
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReStructuredText (section 'Examples of
reST markup'). Open them in a text editor. 



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[Qgis-developer] RE. Wiki page/area for 'Building QGIS from scratch'

2017-03-17 Thread Mark Johnson 
>> No, I mean in the .rst files. Send the changes via a PR. Then it'll be
added to the developers guide at

Well, I have no idea what :
* .rst files are
* how to make then or
* how to view them

The wiki pages I can do on the fly while working this out.
Can you live with a wiki version ?
- if not I will stop it

Mark
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