Re: [Qgis-developer] Simplified Processing interface doesn't list GRASS algos
Thanks for weighing in Oliver! On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Olivier Dalang olivier.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, here the two interfaces also cause only confusion, and it's not that obvious how the simple interface is simpler than the normal one. For me we can keep just one. I would like to hear from others, particularly those who implemented the different interface options. Maybe I'm missing something. Best wishes, Anita Bests, Olivier On Jul 26, 2015 1:01 PM, Anita Graser anitagra...@gmx.at wrote: Hi, Is there a particular reason why the simplified interface does not list GRASS algorithms? Users again-and-again get confused by the different interfaces [1] and cannot find the tools they are looking for. Maybe more on-topic for the UX list: What was the main intent of the simplified interface? Does it actually achieve its goals? Currently, I tend to think that the two interfaces cause more confusion than they are worth. Best wishes, Anita [1] http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/155634/where-did-processing-algorithms-go ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Simplified Processing interface doesn't list GRASS algos
The idea of the simplified interface was to have an interface that was more understandable for users with less experience, so you do not have to know if the algorithm comes from GRASS, SAGA or whatever. That might be useful for advanced users, but it is confusing for the rest of them. Also, if an algorithm is repeated in several backends, only one of them is added to the simplified interface, eliminating the need to select one of them (also confusing for users) GRASS algorithms are not featured in the simplified interface since, although they are wrapped as Processing algorithms and simplified as much as possible, you still have to know something about GRASS and its data structures to use them correctly and not get strange behaviour. If you want to use a GRASS, algorithm, I am assuming you are an advanced user, so you can go to the advanced interface. These were my initial ideas, but if the simplified interface is causing more confusion than goodI will be happy to take it away (it will save us devs quite a bit of work...). However, IMHO, it is a much better UI for most of user, but I would like to hear what people think. Thanks for your comments! ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Simplified Processing interface doesn't list GRASS algos
What about adding the Simplified Geoalgorithms to the advanced menu. Then we can both search, unfold menus and find all the other functions. The Simplified menu is easy to use - but merge the two menus into one. Regards Lene Fischer -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] På vegne af Victor Olaya Sendt: 29. juli 2015 11:55 Til: Anita Graser Cc: qgis-developer Emne: Re: [Qgis-developer] Simplified Processing interface doesn't list GRASS algos The idea of the simplified interface was to have an interface that was more understandable for users with less experience, so you do not have to know if the algorithm comes from GRASS, SAGA or whatever. That might be useful for advanced users, but it is confusing for the rest of them. Also, if an algorithm is repeated in several backends, only one of them is added to the simplified interface, eliminating the need to select one of them (also confusing for users) GRASS algorithms are not featured in the simplified interface since, although they are wrapped as Processing algorithms and simplified as much as possible, you still have to know something about GRASS and its data structures to use them correctly and not get strange behaviour. If you want to use a GRASS, algorithm, I am assuming you are an advanced user, so you can go to the advanced interface. These were my initial ideas, but if the simplified interface is causing more confusion than goodI will be happy to take it away (it will save us devs quite a bit of work...). However, IMHO, it is a much better UI for most of user, but I would like to hear what people think. Thanks for your comments! ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Simplified Processing interface doesn't list GRASS algos
Agree – this is always an issue for my students – ”I can´t find the tool” Regards Lene Fischer Associate Professor Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management University of Copenhagen MOB +45 40115084 l...@ign.ku.dkmailto:l...@ign.ku.dk [cid:image001.gif@01D03029.2F3EC6A0] Fra: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] På vegne af Anita Graser Sendt: 26. juli 2015 13:02 Til: qgis-developer Emne: [Qgis-developer] Simplified Processing interface doesn't list GRASS algos Hi, Is there a particular reason why the simplified interface does not list GRASS algorithms? Users again-and-again get confused by the different interfaces [1] and cannot find the tools they are looking for. Maybe more on-topic for the UX list: What was the main intent of the simplified interface? Does it actually achieve its goals? Currently, I tend to think that the two interfaces cause more confusion than they are worth. Best wishes, Anita [1] http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/155634/where-did-processing-algorithms-go ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
Re: [Qgis-developer] Simplified Processing interface doesn't list GRASS algos
Thanks for the clarifications Victor! -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org [mailto: qgis-developer-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] På vegne af Victor Olaya if an algorithm is repeated in several backends, only one of them is added to the simplified interface, eliminating the need to select one of them (also confusing for users) GRASS algorithms are not featured in the simplified interface since, although they are wrapped as Processing algorithms and simplified as much as possible, you still have to know something about GRASS and its data structures to use them correctly and not get strange behaviour. If you want to use a GRASS, algorithm, I am assuming you are an advanced user, so you can go to the advanced interface. That makes sense. Maybe all it needs then is a way to communicate the user that the algorithm they were searching for is only available in the advanced interface. Some message along these lines could be displayed when the user inputs the name of a GRASS algo in the search box of the simplified interface. That is if we decide that the simplified interface has value for certain user groups. Best wishes, Anita ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
[Qgis-developer] Simplified Processing interface doesn't list GRASS algos
Hi, Is there a particular reason why the simplified interface does not list GRASS algorithms? Users again-and-again get confused by the different interfaces [1] and cannot find the tools they are looking for. Maybe more on-topic for the UX list: What was the main intent of the simplified interface? Does it actually achieve its goals? Currently, I tend to think that the two interfaces cause more confusion than they are worth. Best wishes, Anita [1] http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/155634/where-did-processing-algorithms-go ___ Qgis-developer mailing list Qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-developer
