Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Tom Chadwin]

Paolo Cavallini wrote
> would you mind opening a ticket on this, or even better start coding?

Done (ticket, not code...): http://hub.qgis.org/issues/14937



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 28/05/2016 08:56, Tom Chadwin ha scritto:
> Is this list displayed in the plugin manager, as well as on the repo website?
> If not, it should be. 

agreed: either display it in PM, or remove it (not many people visit the
website directly, I guess)
would you mind opening a ticket on this, or even better start coding?

> My vote is for Quick Map Services, to get more people to stop using the
> Openlayers plugin, given the issues with the latter. 

already featured

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Tom Chadwin]

Is this list displayed in the plugin manager, as well as on the repo website?
If not, it should be. 

My vote is for Quick Map Services, to get more people to stop using the
Openlayers plugin, given the issues with the latter. 



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Tom Chadwin]

If the featured flag is thought useful, how about pulling it through to the
plugin manager?



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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[DelazJ]

Hi,
AFAICS, the add field/remove field tools are only available within the
attribute table dialog. They main gain more visibility (and quicker access
when you have huge table) being in Edit or Layer menu, I think.

2015-12-03 23:35 GMT+01:00 Nyall Dawson :

> On 4 December 2015 at 09:10, Andreas Neumann  wrote:
> > But why?
> >
> > Most of the table manager functions are already in Core. It is perfectly
> > possible to add and remove columns without the table manager.
> >
> > If some of the table manager functions are still missing in core, it is
> > better to bring the missing functionality into core, rather than enabling
> > Table manager by default.
> >
> > I am not a fan of having many Python plugins enabled by default, because
> > they slow down the loading of QGIS. Also, Python plugins are a major
> source
> > of additional bugs ...
> >
>
> Agreed - there's also the issue of having important functionality
> hidden away in a plugin's interface, when it should be integrated with
> the rest of the table management UI.
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[DelazJ]

Hi,
first of all, what does this expression really mean ? Sorry, I'm not a
native english speaker so not always easy to find the right explanation of
some words.

2015-12-03 20:14 GMT+01:00 Paolo Cavallini :

> Hi all,
> I wonder what is the criterion to mark a plugin as featured. There is
> even one featured plugin which is now deprecated.
> Perhaps we should have clear criteria for inclusion, and keep the list
> updated?
> All the best.
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 03/12/2015 20:31, Alessandro Pasotti ha scritto:

> The original idea was to mark the most important plugins as "featured",
> kind of staff's pick or "recommended".
> 
> Any admin (including you) can set/clear the "featured" flag.
> 
> There is no criterion, you can decide which plugins are "featured".

Thanks. I can go throught them and set/unset the flag - can we decide
some guidelines?
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Alessandro Pasotti]

2015-12-03 20:34 GMT+01:00 Paolo Cavallini :

> Il 03/12/2015 20:31, Alessandro Pasotti ha scritto:
>
> > The original idea was to mark the most important plugins as "featured",
> > kind of staff's pick or "recommended".
> >
> > Any admin (including you) can set/clear the "featured" flag.
> >
> > There is no criterion, you can decide which plugins are "featured".
>
> Thanks. I can go throught them and set/unset the flag - can we decide
> some guidelines?
> All the best.
>


IMHO it's up to you, the voting system and the "popular" index is
democratic, the featured flag is for your personal taste and feeling :)

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Bernd Vogelgesang]

Am 03.12.2015, 20:14 Uhr, schrieb Paolo Cavallini :


Hi all,
I wonder what is the criterion to mark a plugin as featured. There is
even one featured plugin which is now deprecated.
Perhaps we should have clear criteria for inclusion, and keep the list
updated?
All the best.


With new users in mind, I wonder if the plugins page is really the  
resource for picking a plugin, or if they just search through the plugin  
manager for things they might need, cause it does provide the exact same  
informations as the website (minus those tags).


More important for me would be the question, which plugins are installed  
and enabled by default. And I ask the question again (I never got an  
answer on that before): Why e.g. is the Table Manager not installed and  
available by default? As ESRI shape is the major output format, a novice  
starting to use QGIS has no tool to alter the attribute table, which is  
IMHO an unnecessary obstacle.
I bet there are not few people fumbling around in the dbf before realizing  
that there is a plugin available.


Just my two cents
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Alessandro Pasotti]

2015-12-03 20:14 GMT+01:00 Paolo Cavallini :

> Hi all,
> I wonder what is the criterion to mark a plugin as featured. There is
> even one featured plugin which is now deprecated.
> Perhaps we should have clear criteria for inclusion, and keep the list
> updated?
> All the best.
>


The original idea was to mark the most important plugins as "featured",
kind of staff's pick or "recommended".

Any admin (including you) can set/clear the "featured" flag.

There is no criterion, you can decide which plugins are "featured".

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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Bernd Vogelgesang]

Am 03.12.2015, 23:10 Uhr, schrieb Andreas Neumann :


But why?

Most of the table manager functions are already in Core. It is perfectly  
possible to add and remove columns without the table >manager.


If some of the table manager functions are still missing in core, it is  
better to bring the missing functionality into core, >rather than  
enabling Table manager by default.


I am not a fan of having many Python plugins enabled by default, because  
they slow down the loading of QGIS. Also, Python plugins >are a major  
source of additional bugs ...


Andreas
Yep, MOST is in. But for example not moving order or renaming columns. How  
stupid is that, to rename a columns by creating a new one, copying the  
data and then deleting the old one, just to find it then in the end of all  
columns without the possibility to change that?
And to newbies it is NOT obvious by any means that they have to install  
the Table Manager to be able to do so.


Sure there must be good reasons why those functions didn't make it into  
core so far (maybe also the long existence of the Table Manager plugin?)


Sorry, didn't want to high jack this thread for my personal favourite ;)

Over and out
Bernd



On 03.12.2015 23:02, DelazJ wrote:
Agree with you, Bernd, that features like the ones provided by "Table  
Manager" plugin should be in QGIS by default. >>However, installing  
(and enabling) by default other dev's plugins mean that QGIS dev team  
should somehow be responsible >>of its stability; there are already  
Core plugins (Processing, DBManager...) and I'm not sure they should  
have to do >>this with other plugins.
+1 to have "Table Manager" features in Core but not really in favour of  
activating plugins unless they integrate the >>Core plugins schema.


2015-12-03 20:59 GMT+01:00 Bernd Vogelgesang :
Am 03.12.2015, 20:14 Uhr, schrieb Paolo Cavallini  
:



Hi all,
I wonder what is the criterion to mark a plugin as featured. There is
even one featured plugin which is now deprecated.
Perhaps we should have clear criteria for inclusion, and keep the list
updated?
All the best.


With new users in mind, I wonder if the plugins page is really the  
resource for picking a plugin, or if they just >>>search through the  
plugin manager for things they might need, cause it does provide the  
exact same informations as >>>the website (minus those tags).


More important for me would be the question, which plugins are  
installed and enabled by default. And I ask the >>>question again (I  
never got an answer on that before): Why e.g. is the Table Manager not  
installed and available by >>>default? As ESRI shape is the major  
output format, a novice starting to use QGIS has no tool to alter the  
attribute >>>table, which is IMHO an unnecessary obstacle.
I bet there are not few people fumbling around in the dbf before  
realizing that there is a plugin available.


Just my two cents
Bernd


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[DelazJ]

Table Manager helps renaming, reordering fields (not yet available) and
while removing/deleting/reordering fields, you can preview how your table
will look like.
I'm neither for enabling plugins by default but adding in Core such _basic_
features users look for will be an improvement

2015-12-03 23:10 GMT+01:00 Andreas Neumann :

> But why?
>
> Most of the table manager functions are already in Core. It is perfectly
> possible to add and remove columns without the table manager.
>
> If some of the table manager functions are still missing in core, it is
> better to bring the missing functionality into core, rather than enabling
> Table manager by default.
>
> I am not a fan of having many Python plugins enabled by default, because
> they slow down the loading of QGIS. Also, Python plugins are a major source
> of additional bugs ...
>
> Andreas
>
>
> On 03.12.2015 23:02, DelazJ wrote:
>
> Agree with you, Bernd, that features like the ones provided by "Table
> Manager" plugin should be in QGIS by default. However, installing (and
> enabling) by default other dev's plugins mean that QGIS dev team should
> somehow be responsible of its stability; there are already Core plugins
> (Processing, DBManager...) and I'm not sure they should have to do this
> with other plugins.
> +1 to have "Table Manager" features in Core but not really in favour of
> activating plugins unless they integrate the Core plugins schema.
>
> 2015-12-03 20:59 GMT+01:00 Bernd Vogelgesang :
>
>> Am 03.12.2015, 20:14 Uhr, schrieb Paolo Cavallini > >:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>> I wonder what is the criterion to mark a plugin as featured. There is
>>> even one featured plugin which is now deprecated.
>>> Perhaps we should have clear criteria for inclusion, and keep the list
>>> updated?
>>> All the best.
>>>
>>
>> With new users in mind, I wonder if the plugins page is really the
>> resource for picking a plugin, or if they just search through the plugin
>> manager for things they might need, cause it does provide the exact same
>> informations as the website (minus those tags).
>>
>> More important for me would be the question, which plugins are installed
>> and enabled by default. And I ask the question again (I never got an answer
>> on that before): Why e.g. is the Table Manager not installed and available
>> by default? As ESRI shape is the major output format, a novice starting to
>> use QGIS has no tool to alter the attribute table, which is IMHO an
>> unnecessary obstacle.
>> I bet there are not few people fumbling around in the dbf before
>> realizing that there is a plugin available.
>>
>> Just my two cents
>> Bernd
>>
>>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[DelazJ]

Agree with you, Bernd, that features like the ones provided by "Table
Manager" plugin should be in QGIS by default. However, installing (and
enabling) by default other dev's plugins mean that QGIS dev team should
somehow be responsible of its stability; there are already Core plugins
(Processing, DBManager...) and I'm not sure they should have to do this
with other plugins.
+1 to have "Table Manager" features in Core but not really in favour of
activating plugins unless they integrate the Core plugins schema.

2015-12-03 20:59 GMT+01:00 Bernd Vogelgesang :

> Am 03.12.2015, 20:14 Uhr, schrieb Paolo Cavallini :
>
> Hi all,
>> I wonder what is the criterion to mark a plugin as featured. There is
>> even one featured plugin which is now deprecated.
>> Perhaps we should have clear criteria for inclusion, and keep the list
>> updated?
>> All the best.
>>
>
> With new users in mind, I wonder if the plugins page is really the
> resource for picking a plugin, or if they just search through the plugin
> manager for things they might need, cause it does provide the exact same
> informations as the website (minus those tags).
>
> More important for me would be the question, which plugins are installed
> and enabled by default. And I ask the question again (I never got an answer
> on that before): Why e.g. is the Table Manager not installed and available
> by default? As ESRI shape is the major output format, a novice starting to
> use QGIS has no tool to alter the attribute table, which is IMHO an
> unnecessary obstacle.
> I bet there are not few people fumbling around in the dbf before realizing
> that there is a plugin available.
>
> Just my two cents
> Bernd
>
>
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Andreas Neumann]

But why?

Most of the table manager functions are already in Core. It is perfectly 
possible to add and remove columns without the table manager.


If some of the table manager functions are still missing in core, it is 
better to bring the missing functionality into core, rather than 
enabling Table manager by default.


I am not a fan of having many Python plugins enabled by default, because 
they slow down the loading of QGIS. Also, Python plugins are a major 
source of additional bugs ...


Andreas

On 03.12.2015 23:02, DelazJ wrote:
Agree with you, Bernd, that features like the ones provided by "Table 
Manager" plugin should be in QGIS by default. However, installing (and 
enabling) by default other dev's plugins mean that QGIS dev team 
should somehow be responsible of its stability; there are already Core 
plugins (Processing, DBManager...) and I'm not sure they should have 
to do this with other plugins.
+1 to have "Table Manager" features in Core but not really in favour 
of activating plugins unless they integrate the Core plugins schema.


2015-12-03 20:59 GMT+01:00 Bernd Vogelgesang >:


Am 03.12.2015, 20:14 Uhr, schrieb Paolo Cavallini
>:

Hi all,
I wonder what is the criterion to mark a plugin as featured.
There is
even one featured plugin which is now deprecated.
Perhaps we should have clear criteria for inclusion, and keep
the list
updated?
All the best.


With new users in mind, I wonder if the plugins page is really the
resource for picking a plugin, or if they just search through the
plugin manager for things they might need, cause it does provide
the exact same informations as the website (minus those tags).

More important for me would be the question, which plugins are
installed and enabled by default. And I ask the question again (I
never got an answer on that before): Why e.g. is the Table Manager
not installed and available by default? As ESRI shape is the major
output format, a novice starting to use QGIS has no tool to alter
the attribute table, which is IMHO an unnecessary obstacle.
I bet there are not few people fumbling around in the dbf before
realizing that there is a plugin available.

Just my two cents
Bernd


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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Nyall Dawson]

On 4 December 2015 at 09:10, Andreas Neumann  wrote:
> But why?
>
> Most of the table manager functions are already in Core. It is perfectly
> possible to add and remove columns without the table manager.
>
> If some of the table manager functions are still missing in core, it is
> better to bring the missing functionality into core, rather than enabling
> Table manager by default.
>
> I am not a fan of having many Python plugins enabled by default, because
> they slow down the loading of QGIS. Also, Python plugins are a major source
> of additional bugs ...
>

Agreed - there's also the issue of having important functionality
hidden away in a plugin's interface, when it should be integrated with
the rest of the table management UI.

Nyall
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Featured plugins

[Worth Lutz]

As a recent new user, (and now a custom plugin writer), I did not 
remember that there was a plugin page. I look for plugins in the plugin 
manager as that is what come to mind first before I start googling.


I also lurk here for valuable info.  :)

*Worth Lutz*


On 12/3/2015 2:59 PM, Bernd Vogelgesang wrote:
Am 03.12.2015, 20:14 Uhr, schrieb Paolo Cavallini 
:



Hi all,
I wonder what is the criterion to mark a plugin as featured. There is
even one featured plugin which is now deprecated.
Perhaps we should have clear criteria for inclusion, and keep the list
updated?
All the best.


With new users in mind, I wonder if the plugins page is really the 
resource for picking a plugin, or if they just search through the 
plugin manager for things they might need, cause it does provide the 
exact same informations as the website (minus those tags).


More important for me would be the question, which plugins are 
installed and enabled by default. And I ask the question again (I 
never got an answer on that before): Why e.g. is the Table Manager not 
installed and available by default? As ESRI shape is the major output 
format, a novice starting to use QGIS has no tool to alter the 
attribute table, which is IMHO an unnecessary obstacle.
I bet there are not few people fumbling around in the dbf before 
realizing that there is a plugin available.


Just my two cents
Bernd




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