Re: [Qgis-developer] Teaching with Qgis

2011-11-17 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Tim Sutton li...@linfiniti.com wrote:

 What licenses are these released under?

 We should be so lucky. There's no mention of licenses so I shall
assume they are copyright University of Maine and treat them with that
in mind. I'm not sure there's even any obvious licensing of the data
sets (but I would suspect they are all US public data - I'll check
before I do anything).

 I can also point you to
 further resources I have found if you are interested (I will need to
 root around in my inbox). There is also this http://linfiniti.com/dla
 which is all freely available under GPLD and CC-SA licences.

 Yes, I know there's a lot of good Qgis-based learning materials and
if I do put together a syllabus I'll make as much use of them as
possible. Thanks for that.

 My real interest in the UMaine courseware is in finding the bugs and
annoyances in Qgis when trying to do some specified set of analyses. I
think that when developing a course that uses software package X you
tend to do things that are easy in package X, which might well be
difficult in package Y. It would be a shame if an open-source fanboy
attending UMaine thinks I can do all this in Qgis! and then is sadly
disappointed when it takes him twice as long as his ArcGIS-wielding
colleagues.

 I might also try and duplicate the analyses using R - there's lots of
geospatial functionality in R and it would be interesting to end up
with one R script that does the whole course :)

Barry
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Teaching with Qgis

2011-11-16 Thread Alex Mandel
On 11/16/2011 07:46 AM, Barry Rowlingson wrote:
 The GIS teaching in our environmental faculty here uses commercial GIS
 software. There is some mumbling about introducing Open Source but
 this year's students will not have the pleasure.
 
 As I've expressed an interest in teaching with Qgis, I thought I would
 have a look at some typical GIS teaching examples and see how well
 they translate to Qgis. I found this very nice set of lessons:
 
 http://www.umaine.edu/mial/int527/labs.htm
 
 and I plan to work through them, noting annoyances, problems, etc with
 doing the exercises in Qgis. If anyone else is interested in
 contributing then we should set up a shared space (google docs?) for
 comments and discussion.
 
  A few things cropped up almost instantly:
 
  * Qgis' vector-raster tool doesn't let you choose character
 attributes (ArcGIS automatically converts characters to numbers)
  * The vector-raster output grid specification can only be given as
 number of cells - you can't tell it to output the same raster grid as
 an existing raster, which is what you want to do if you are going to
 do overlays.
  * Having two different file selectors (one Qt, one Linux native) is
 an annoyance
  * Raster layers loading as flat gray rectangles is another annoyance
 - I shouldn't have to go to Properties and fiddle to see something.
 
 Obviously I'll file bugs and enhancements in the tracker, and keep an
 eye open to see how many things are targetted for the next version,
 and maybe even submit some code myself. But it'll be a good exercise
 to go through a set of real-world exercises in Qgis to see how it
 compares.
 
  I know its very easy to put together a good set of teaching materials
 from scratch using Qgis since you tend to show off the things that you
 know are easily doable in Qgis, but starting with someone else's
 materials should show how flexible Qgis is in doing GIS analysis. Or
 so I hope!
 
  Anyone else interested?
 
 Barry

Barry,

There is a lot of room here since you didn't define what the focus of
your course would be and who your target audience is. There was a good
presentation at FOSS4G from a Librarian at CUNY who teaches Intro to GIS
in an 8 hour workshop.
http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/geoportal/practicum/

Then there's Richard Plant's labs for QGIS which are actually a direct
conversion of the Proprietary labs he taught in his 10 week course for
many years that focused on spatial analysis (not 100% up to date with
latest QGIS methods). He specifically brought in GRASS and R whenever a
task wasn't suited to QGIS directly.
http://www.plantsciences.ucdavis.edu/plant/qgislabs.htm

Also look up Helena Mitasova's courses that exclusively use GRASS for
advanced spatial anaylsis.

I've also been a teaching assistant for a course on GIS
scripting/informatics and we do Arc, GDAL/OGR and QGIS all via python.
Similar to the course from Utah listed on the GDAL trac site.

One note, the Grey raster on load is not unique to QGIS, got similar
issues with Arc teaching this quarter. It depends some on the Raster
file itself and the underlying libraries. I had that problem on QGIS
1.5/1.6 but it went away with 1.7 I believe due to an upgrade or fix in
GDAL.

My observation having worked with several professors on these types of
courses is that you have to define your target concepts and skills you
want students to walk away with after the course. Then tailor the
exercises to re-enforce those specific tasks. If it's an introduction
course avoid showboating of super unique features that are not
fundamental to basic GIS.

I'd be interested in discussing this more in depth and think the
OSGeo-Edu mailing list might be a better place.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: [Qgis-developer] Teaching with Qgis

2011-11-16 Thread Tim Sutton
Hi

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Barry Rowlingson
b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote:
 The GIS teaching in our environmental faculty here uses commercial GIS
 software. There is some mumbling about introducing Open Source but
 this year's students will not have the pleasure.

 As I've expressed an interest in teaching with Qgis, I thought I would
 have a look at some typical GIS teaching examples and see how well
 they translate to Qgis. I found this very nice set of lessons:

 http://www.umaine.edu/mial/int527/labs.htm


What licenses are these released under? I can also point you to
further resources I have found if you are interested (I will need to
root around in my inbox). There is also this http://linfiniti.com/dla
which is all freely available under GPLD and CC-SA licences. It would
be really nice to create yet another git repo where we can assemble a
collection of consistenly written and styled teaching modules such
that a course presenter could collate the relevant bits into the
course he/she is presenting. It would also make a good step forward in
our certification plans as we would be able to provide solid course
material to go along with the certification programme.

Regards

Tim

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